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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rb44 on November 21, 2024, 03:00:21 PM
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Newbie who just got his permit and getting into the world of guns. Looking for good CCW / first handgun. (Ultimate goal is to use this firearm as my CCW). Would like to stay in the range of $500-$700 range.
What do you guys use and how do you like it? Any suggestions? What caliber is good to use? (Google search says .380 is a popular choice, but my peers say 9mm 🤷🏾♂️)
Thanks in advance!
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my 2 CCW guns are a Sig p365XL and Glock 19. I mainly use the Sig as it hides better under my usual work attire.
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.380 is a popular choice for women and small boys. :geekdanc: Seriously, the size of the majority of .380 pistols is a good fit for a smaller hand. Medium and large hands have to really work to get a good purchase on one (flesh to firearm contact).
I compare it to trying to use a beefy full size screwdriver to a shorty screwdriver that's meant for very tight spaces. The larger one is much easier to grip for added leverage if loosening stubborn screws. The more contact it has with your hand, the more power and control you have.
.380 ammo can be difficult to find and may tend to be higher priced than comparable 9mm ammo. I believe there's a wider selection of 9mm bullet materials, weights and types than you normally find in .380 without ordering online.
A .380 may be slightly easier to conceal and lighter, depending on the specific models being compared.
A .380 is often less ergonomic making it harder to shoot accurately. YMMV based on hand size and strength.
i think a .380 would make a good backup pistol for close-up, personal encounters.
With the number of options in 9mm pistols and ammo today, i'd go with a 9mm. Not only does it make an effective CCW and HD weapon, if you decide to change up with another pistol, the 9mm will be easier to resell than a .380 IMO.
Have you ever gone to the range with a .380? if not, i suggest you do a "taste test" -- shooting a .380 and a 9mm. Try to use comparable sizes to make the test fair.
Based on experience, you're more likely to pick 9mm as your favorite.
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Sig 365 and Glock 43x are popular and a good choice for people with small and regular size hands. 9mm is a good choice and lots of ammo available.
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Glock 17 and 43x/48 for me. Used to carry 19 as well. I would recommend any of those. I don’t own a P365, but I’ve shot them a lot and a bunch of friends shoot/carry those. I’d recommend those as well.
I’d also highly recommend RDS, but that goes outside your price range. Can always add later.
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Just like asking what gun for any other type of purpose, you will get may different answers. Here's my input on why I chose what I CCW.
Shield Plus SMith and Wesson
Smaller size
Stippled grip
nice trigger
Cost
Availability of hoslters
Availability of replacement parts
Ammo availability (9mm)
Optics ready
THe other 2 guns in the contending was a G43X and a P365X.
But
G43x Cons
Trigger sucks, so either deal with it or spend more on after market. With the added cost of another trigger, it was the same price of a Shield and now I have to worry if the trigger would ever fail since it's a part you're messing with. Odds are it won't, but still...Or answer if used in self defense why you installed another trigger.
Irons suck, but if you RDS right away ,then it's not too much a factor.
P365X Cons
Higher cost than the above 2
You lose your rear sight when RDS. But if you get a Holosun 507K, then it's not a factor as it has a rear knotch.
All 3 have lots of holster choices, ammo available in 9mm, and replacement parts.
I'm not a fan of carrying a bigger gun like my VP9 or a G17, etc...Odds are you won't be using the gun, so comfort is a factor and I definatly notice the difference when CCWing the VP9 over the smaller Shield. Add in that HI has a 10rd mag limit, so a regular VP9 that has a 15rd mag can't be owned. Which is 1 advantage of carrying a bigger gun. If I base the performance of a bigger gun vs my CCW gun on the HI CCW test, then I did slightly better with my Shield. But I did score 100% of both guns multiple times (1st CCW and 2nd CCW as the law changed).
In the end, you get what you want. If I had to do it over, I would get the P365X with the flat trigger as it looks way more cooler than the Shield. But again, it does cost more. I would have to think about upgrading to a cooler looking slide that Strike Industry makes.
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I think I had a post about this in greater detail a few years ago. Try look for it.
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#1 Depends on your size and build for carry.
I cannot conceal carry a G19 with RDS with or without light.
Weight is another factor as you will have this additional.
S & W 642 Airweight revolver weighs 15oz (under 1 Lb) 5 rounds
G 43 19.6 oz (1 lb 3oz) loaded 8 rounds (7+1)
Sig p365 22.6 oz (1.5 lbs) loaded 11 rounds (10+1)
G19 30 oz (almost 2 lbs) loaded 11 rounds (10+1)
G 43 fits nice and an extended mag gives you a bit more real estate to hang on to + 2 more rounds.
S & W 642 Airweight is an easily concealable and comfortable carry.
You'll get arguments on not having 10+ rounds but most "conflicts" occur with in the halitosis range so how many do you really need ?
Regardless of what you get, the holster is of utmost importance.
It's not concealed if it shows or you're constantly fidgeting with it.
When HI first started LTC, I saw so many with new small guns in holsters tucked in their pants for the first time who constantly swept themselves (especially non-dom hand or leg) or others
Draw and dry fire ALOT before you even think of cc.
Welcome to the train !
Rocky
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#1 Depends on your size and build for carry.
I cannot conceal carry a G19 with RDS with or without light.
Weight is another factor as you will have this additional.
S & W 642 Airweight revolver weighs 15oz (under 1 Lb) 5 rounds
G 43 19.6 oz (1 lb 3oz) loaded 8 rounds (7+1)
Sig p365 22.6 oz (1.5 lbs) loaded 11 rounds (10+1)
G19 30 oz (almost 2 lbs) loaded 11 rounds (10+1)
G 43 fits nice and an extended mag gives you a bit more real estate to hang on to + 2 more rounds.
S & W 642 Airweight is an easily concealable and comfortable carry.
You'll get arguments on not having 10+ rounds but most "conflicts" occur with in the halitosis range so how many do you really need ?
Regardless of what you get, the holster is of utmost importance.
It's not concealed if it shows or you're constantly fidgeting with it.
When HI first started LTC, I saw so many with new small guns in holsters tucked in their pants for the first time who constantly swept themselves (especially non-dom hand or leg) or others
Draw and dry fire ALOT before you even think of cc.
Welcome to the train !
Rocky
Weight and duration of carry is also one "considerable" factor. I've carried my 43x for 10+ hours that included tasks similar to yard work (i.e. range days) and didn't notice the gun. The BELT helps with that alot though, at least IMO (before mr. I own nothing chimes in ::) ;D ).
I've carried my G17 for full days as well. Not a big deal, but def notice the weight more, esp with the 17 round mags. When carrying in free states of course. While I shoot the 43x and 48 fine, "definately" shoot the full size frames better. Shooting more with magwell for the 48 and that definitely helps, with the grip not the reloads. Will try to shoot that setup more in matches and see.
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won't the magwell print more?
if one owned any guns to put one on...
Weight and duration of carry is also one "considerable" factor. I've carried my 43x for 10+ hours that included tasks similar to yard work (i.e. range days) and didn't notice the gun. The BELT helps with that alot though, at least IMO (before mr. I own nothing chimes in ::) ;D ).
I've carried my G17 for full days as well. Not a big deal, but def notice the weight more, esp with the 17 round mags. When carrying in free states of course. While I shoot the 43x and 48 fine, "definately" shoot the full size frames better. Shooting more with magwell for the 48 and that definitely helps, with the grip not the reloads. Will try to shoot that setup more in matches and see.
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won't the magwell print more?
if one owned any guns to put one on...
If you put the massive competition ones on your imaginary pistols.
Seriously tho, there are some slimmer “carry” models that don’t negatively impact printing. At least not for my rounder shape.
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you was rounderer before...
If you put the massive competition ones on your imaginary pistols.
Seriously tho, there are some slimmer “carry” models that don’t negatively impact printing. At least not for my rounder shape.
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Glock 43/43x/48 (9mm)
Pro - generally large aftermarket support for Glock and generally lower prices for aftermarket parts/accessories
Con - some mention the trigger is junk ….but Milspec Mojo rips with a stock Glock. It’s the Indian….not the arrow….you losers!!
Just kidding. The trigger isn’t that bad … but it wasn’t meant to win pistol matches
I’ve never owned any of the other recommendations so I have nothing to say about them
Idk if a red dot is really needed for a ccw. For me, I would get an optic ready pistol if possible….in case I want to use a red dot in the future. It’s nice to have options.
.380 - expensive. I assume it has pretty decent availability…even during panics…cause it is not a commonly used caliber. If you have the $$, I think 380 is ok….otherwise go 9mm. 9mm isn’t really that much better than 380 “ballistics” wise….so you really aren’t losing much going to 380 in terms of stopping power. If 380 was the same price as 9mm, I would use 380
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Sig P365 with or without RDS
its small so can conceal with any type of clothing. I use either a holster or fanny pack to carry
P320C is good too. slightly bigger than the P365. depends on your hand size too
Glock 19 is good too. can't go wrong with a Glock
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P365 with trigger guard holster and lanyard. You carry it in your pocket with the adjustable lanyard secured to your belt loop.
When you draw the pistol the lanyard will yank the trigger guard holster off the pistol as you draw.
I prefer pocket carry over IWB or OWB.
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P365 with trigger guard holster and lanyard. You carry it in your pocket with the adjustable lanyard secured to your belt loop.
When you draw the pistol the lanyard will yank the trigger guard holster off the pistol as you draw.
I prefer pocket carry over IWB or OWB.
Pocket carry is one of my options too. I have a pocket holster for my P365. I'll look into that lanyard. Sounds like a good setup for pocket carry. Thanks :shaka:
I have three options: fanny pack, OWB, pocket
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Pocket carry is one of my options too. I have a pocket holster for my P365. I'll look into that lanyard. Sounds like a good setup for pocket carry. Thanks :shaka:
I have three options: fanny pack, OWB, pocket
I like it but I've found that it's not a very fast draw. I don't think it can ever be as fast as say IWB or OWB.
Of course practice, practice, practice will help in the speed and efficiency of any draw.
There are many brands available and SIG also has one for the P365. :shaka:
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Glock triggers are average. Won't make a difference out to 10 yards or so.
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Stangzilla mentioned that G19 as another option.
For a very first pistol, a compact (G19) is a good middle of the road choice. They work well for home defense and are small enough for ccw. The G19 is slightly wider (1.29” vs 1.09”) compared to the G43/43x/48 and fill your hand better. I find the G19 easier to shoot more accurately compared to the G48. The G19 also seems slightly less snappier cause it is a little wider (recoil impulse spread over a bigger area) and I can grip it better
I thought I would like the G48 better because I have small hands….but the grip seemed a little too small for me. I prefer shooting the wider G19…even added a hogue grip to the G19 I use for fun at the range. So I figured I would try to ccw my other G19 since it is only .2” wider and with my ginormous gut I could probably ccw a desert eagle
The other thing about the G19 is that it has the largest aftermarket support bar none….new and used…especially since the patent expired a few years ago.
I feel for a first gun, that it should be one that you enjoy shooting at the range. It might become your ccw….it might not. But at least you will have a gun you like for the range and for home defense.
Maybe check Honolulu Gun Club and X ring to see if they have rentals and try all the pistols you are interested in.
And then re-assess your needs/wants after trying out the various pistols
For me, I sold the G48.
YMMV
Whatever size you get full-size, midsize/compact or subcompact…..or 380/9mm….or red dot ready or not…..or brand/make…..the only recommendation I make is to get something that is vetted (been around for say 5 years or more) and is from a company that has good/decent quality control…..like Glock, CZ, Walther, HK, Sig, etc….they sell to military branches & government agencies so they generally test their products
I try to avoid new models…even from established companies. Cause no one is perfect and could put out a lemon.
A lot people like M&P’s. For me I avoid S&W because they seem to have hit or miss QC….monday morning hangover…Friday afternoon hukipau. It seems S&W will take care of you if there is an issue. But I don’t want a pistol for HD or ccw that may not work. Also, I feel for new products, S&W uses customers to beta test their products. Google MP gen1 issues. I think a lot of police depts went to MP40 but later switched back to Glock. I’m not sure but I think the only military that uses the M&P is Iraq…..and only because we gave the M&P’s to Iraq.
(I bought a MP gen 1 recently…but only for range use…S&W fixed the issue in 2010-2011)
Aw crap…I bought a M&P shield 9EZ that is meant for my daughter. Oh well, she can get rid of it if she wants.
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Also consider if you want a striker fired or hammer fired pistol
I have several glocks, but if I really planned to ccw, I would want to use a da/sa pistol to make drawing or holstering a little more safer
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Israeli draw is one option.
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Eh, dis Hawaii. No need gun, jus go up n up lidat.
Whatever happened to dat up n up guy anyway?
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Israeli draw - good point for striker fired pistols
In America, most don’t recommend condition 3 because it is a manipulation that could be messed up…or you are unable to do it/don’t have time to rack the slide.
Idk. I think a lot of things come down to common sense and situational awareness. For many situations, they can just be avoided. And if they can’t be avoided and you think 0.5 second or a fumbled manipulation could make the difference in your safety, than condition 1 is something to consider.
Carrying a da/sa pistol with no safety is almost like condition 1……and can thumb the hammer when drawing/holstering.
My friend has his ccw and likely carries his Glock in condition 1….but he trains a lot compared to me. He shoots at least 2x a month and is an RSO/instructor for HRA and LIFE…he helps teach the pistol class and the ccw class. For someone that trains a lot, condition 1 is ok.
Idk about condition 1 striker pistols for people that don’t train much
(I don’t think my friend ccw’s much. I think it’s only for like an LA riot type of situation when things have actually hit the fan. I think he just carries pepper spray)
I might start to carry pepper spray when I begin to hear about people in PC getting robbed at Longs, Walmart and grocery stores.
I’ll get a ccw eventually but only use it if a hurricane hits Oahu.
Cause it is gonna be fun times if we get a solid hurricane hit. Look at Maui. They had several near misses with other fires….and the government and Heco still didn’t prepare.
If a bunch of trees and poles are blocking the roads, I hope the City has enough sense to stage their equipment and logistics so they have easy access to the freeway. And life is gonna suck for a while if you still have a home and live in an area with fallen utility poles and trees. Hope you have a chain saw to create access….or a lifted truck to go over poles/big branches…or a motorcycle to squeeze thru gaps. And a generator. I don’t think Heco is going to stock a whole a lot of replacement poles in their financial situation.
And if the harbors and cranes get damaged like west side of the big island…..but worser…
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Several mentioned a P365. Too small for me although Im sure its very light and comfortable. I prefer something in the subcompact range. A little larger but still concealable for me. Some in that category would be the HK VP9 SK, CZ P10S , Canik TP9 Elite SC. Many mentioned a glock 19 which is a tad too big for me to carry. The three I mentioned have basically the same length barrel as the sig P365 but a little longer grip. Also a little wider so it makes it easier for me to shoot.
In the end, I would suggest picking something that is the largest you can carry while still concealing well and comfortably.
Note: of the three I mentioned the first one is the most expensive, but also very high-quality, the second and third one are more affordable options. The Canik you can get for a very good deal and it has a great trigger thats better than many more expensive guns.
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Israeli draw - good point for striker fired pistols
In America, most don’t recommend condition 3 because it is a manipulation that could be messed up…or you are unable to do it/don’t have time to rack the slide.
Idk. I think a lot of things come down to common sense and situational awareness. For many situations, they can just be avoided. And if they can’t be avoided and you think 0.5 second or a fumbled manipulation could make the difference in your safety, than condition 1 is something to consider.
Carrying a da/sa pistol with no safety is almost like condition 1……and can thumb the hammer when drawing/holstering.
My friend has his ccw and likely carries his Glock in condition 1….but he trains a lot compared to me. He shoots at least 2x a month and is an RSO/instructor for HRA and LIFE…he helps teach the pistol class and the ccw class. For someone that trains a lot, condition 1 is ok.
Idk about condition 1 striker pistols for people that don’t train much
(I don’t think my friend ccw’s much. I think it’s only for like an LA riot type of situation when things have actually hit the fan. I think he just carries pepper spray)
I might start to carry pepper spray when I begin to hear about people in PC getting robbed at Longs, Walmart and grocery stores.
I’ll get a ccw eventually but only use it if a hurricane hits Oahu.
Cause it is gonna be fun times if we get a solid hurricane hit. Look at Maui. They had several near misses with other fires….and the government and Heco still didn’t prepare.
If a bunch of trees and poles are blocking the roads, I hope the City has enough sense to stage their equipment and logistics so they have easy access to the freeway. And life is gonna suck for a while if you still have a home and live in an area with fallen utility poles and trees. Hope you have a chain saw to create access….or a lifted truck to go over poles/big branches…or a motorcycle to squeeze thru gaps. And a generator. I don’t think Heco is going to stock a whole a lot of replacement poles in their financial situation.
And if the harbors and cranes get damaged like west side of the big island…..but worser…
There's a Youtube channel Active Self Protection (John Correira). He analyzes thousands of CCTV self defense situations with guns. Many who had to rack their slide, if not all, lost their life or were shot due to not being able to rack the slide. Various reasons, panic, adrenalin, blood on hands (poor grip), etc...I would consider what he has to offer valuable info as he has lots of XP.
I used to not trust my condition 1 handgun when I first got it. So slowly, I began leaving a round in teh chamber when at home and the gun never went off. This is how I slowly built trust in my equipment. To each their own,but I would suggest condition 1.
Not a fan of DA/SA either as it's more parts that can fail. SA is the newer tech and the way to go. Unless you wanna flex and CCW a Stacatto C2 or something with a RMR on it.
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Israeli draw - good point for striker fired pistols
In America, most don’t recommend condition 3 because it is a manipulation that could be messed up…or you are unable to do it/don’t have time to rack the slide.
Idk. I think a lot of things come down to common sense and situational awareness. For many situations, they can just be avoided. And if they can’t be avoided and you think 0.5 second or a fumbled manipulation could make the difference in your safety, than condition 1 is something to consider.
Carrying a da/sa pistol with no safety is almost like condition 1……and can thumb the hammer when drawing/holstering.
My friend has his ccw and likely carries his Glock in condition 1….but he trains a lot compared to me. He shoots at least 2x a month and is an RSO/instructor for HRA and LIFE…he helps teach the pistol class and the ccw class. For someone that trains a lot, condition 1 is ok.
Idk about condition 1 striker pistols for people that don’t train much
(I don’t think my friend ccw’s much. I think it’s only for like an LA riot type of situation when things have actually hit the fan. I think he just carries pepper spray)
I might start to carry pepper spray when I begin to hear about people in PC getting robbed at Longs, Walmart and grocery stores.
I’ll get a ccw eventually but only use it if a hurricane hits Oahu.
Cause it is gonna be fun times if we get a solid hurricane hit. Look at Maui. They had several near misses with other fires….and the government and Heco still didn’t prepare.
If a bunch of trees and poles are blocking the roads, I hope the City has enough sense to stage their equipment and logistics so they have easy access to the freeway. And life is gonna suck for a while if you still have a home and live in an area with fallen utility poles and trees. Hope you have a chain saw to create access….or a lifted truck to go over poles/big branches…or a motorcycle to squeeze thru gaps. And a generator. I don’t think Heco is going to stock a whole a lot of replacement poles in their financial situation.
And if the harbors and cranes get damaged like west side of the big island…..but worser…
I also carry OC on me and a folding knife. OC is for when some force is needed for self defense (not deadly). And the knife is to cut things. Like seat belt, string, open paint can, etc...
The Pearl Harbor helicopter crash years ago, 3 guys were going down to help cut the child stuck in there under water. Between the 3 of them, they were sharing 1 knife. They were unsuccessful. I wonder what would have happened if there were 2 or 3 knives available.
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All great suggestions. But whatever you decide to carry, train. And remember the first rule of CCW…don’t openly converse that you’re carrying in public!
A little off topic, but I thought another benefit to getting a HICCW license was not having to wait two (2) weeks to get your PTA. But I recently found out (2 weeks ago) HPD decided to change that.
How and when did this happen???
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Glock 48
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Great points by everyone here. I’ve carried a Glock 19, P320 and CZ-P01 (compact sizes) along with a Shield and P365X.
I’ve found that I had printed a bit with the compacts and they would get uncomfortable carrying appendix while sitting. This was prior to getting my CCW here, but I was up on the mainland every so often and would carry there. I’m sure that given more time, I could have figured out better positions to get it to sit more comfortably.
I wanted to get a subcompact with a manual safety as my youngest was still in the phase of crawling all over my lap and playing with me. I found the P365X to be just big enough to fit my hand while being very compact and comfortable. I also like the modularity and choices for future changes. Picked one up and never looked back.
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Just wanted to add. If you ever use your CCW. Good luck getting it back if you ever have to use it even if it's justified. Lol
I'd go cheapest yet most reliable. Biggest yet still concealable as others have mentioned to your body style after you've decided appendix or 3/4 o'clock draw. Or fanny pack/ cross body draw.
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P365X with Wilson combat grip module, and holosun eps carry dot. 10+1, lightweight, very easy to carry and shoot accurately.
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P365X with Wilson combat grip module, and holosun eps carry dot. 10+1, lightweight, very easy to carry and shoot accurately.
My exact setup :thumbsup:
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(https://i.imgur.com/4XKXgke.jpg)
too dank?
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Newbie who just got his permit and getting into the world of guns. Looking for good CCW / first handgun. (Ultimate goal is to use this firearm as my CCW). Would like to stay in the range of $500-$700 range.
What do you guys use and how do you like it? Any suggestions? What caliber is good to use? (Google search says .380 is a popular choice, but my peers say 9mm 🤷🏾♂️)
Thanks in advance!
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1-Pick a small 9mm and practice a lot with it.
2- practice a lot with it
3- practice even more with it.
Funny, but not really joking.
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1-Pick a small 9mm and practice a lot with it.
2- practice a lot with it
3- practice even more with it.
Funny, but not really joking.
Training, then practice. Need to practice the right way.
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On a side note. A pocket .380 can be as snappy as a 9, and MORE difficult to hit accurately, in my experience.
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On a side note. A pocket .380 can be as snappy as a 9, and MORE difficult to hit accurately, in my experience.
With the 9mm subcompact options available now, i'd have to fall in love with a specific .380 auto to decide on that as my primary carry weapon.
Realistically, a 9mm, .380 auto and .38 Special are nearly the same projectile size. 9mm = .354".
Number of rounds carried is a factor -- aka "firepower". My G42 .380 held 6 rds. My G26 9mm holds 10rds standard.
There are some specs that outweigh caliber alone IMO when deciding on a carry firearm.
YMMV.
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9mm is a bit cheaper over 380 and you wouldnt have to stock another caliber ammo. Going to small a pistol can be detrimental to accuracy if getting the smallest pistol possible isn't necessary.
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Shooting micro pistols do take more work, practice, training, whatever to shoot well. There are more and more classes being offered specifically for micro pistols, as well as pistol matches specifically for those. I've shot my 48 a few times in local matches and there are a handful that shoot 43x/48 and Sig micro pistols regularly While I do like the compact and lighter 43x setup, I shoot my 17 much better. I can conceal the 17 well (or well enough) that I carry that more often than not.
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micronesian...
Shooting micro pistols do take more work, practice, training, whatever to shoot well. There are more and more classed being offered specifically for micro pistols, as well as pistol matches specifically for those. I've shot my 48 a few times in local matches and there are a handful that shoot 43x/48 and Sig micro pistols regularly While I do like the compact and lighter 43x setup, I shoot my 17 much better. I can conceal the 17 well (or well enough) that I carry that more often than not.
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micronesian...
If you want to stuff one inside your pants, have at it…
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heads
If you want to stuff one inside your pants, have at it…
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You have to weight the "what ifs". What distance would you engage at where a micro vs full size or like would make a difference. If you go by FBI stats, there's the 7 yards thing. At that distance, the size doesn't matter much. But extend that out to 20 yards +, then rapid fire there would be a difference. But my RDS helps mitigate that since my VP9 has irons and my Shield plus (micro) has RDS.
At 15 yards, I'd say that I shoot both my VP9 and Shield Plus the same for rapid fire. Had I had a RDS on my VP9, then I might be able to shoot that faster due to the pick up being faster with a RDS for me.
The CCW test I took here, I scored 100% on both guns. Both were pretty much golf ball grouping until the 15yrd mark. Then it was grapefruit IIRC grouping. I think I posted the pick of the target in another thread. I can't remember where. So this is how I base my above, plus open shoots in the bays where you can rapid fire. Even though the CCW test has a max time, i finished well before it. So it's not like I slow fired. I would say I did at a pace that I know I can control. Years of open shoots taught me "know your limits".
So in the end, since I shoot both well, it's def easier to carry a smaller pistol. Comfort wise. I used to CCW my VP9 in Vegas all the time until I got my Shield since HI began issuing CCW's. Some people don't carry cause it's not comfortable, so if you're one of these types of people, then getting a smaller pistol is better than not carrying at all.
Mag size isn't too much of an issue since HI only allows 10rds. Many max out at 10 or you could buy an extension to get you to 10rds. I also posted about this when weighing my options in another CCW thread. Sorry, can't remember which one. I think the G43 has like a 6rd cap, which is too low for me. But the G43X holds 10rds.
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I never seriously considered jumping through CCW hoops because I didn't feel threatened where I live.
But I get the feeling that things are changing in my area...and not for the better.
:(
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Shot a modified (guud enuff) Dickens Drill with the ported 48 and did 10/10 in around 11 seconds. This was the first I've shot the ported 48 further than around 25 yards and was pleasantly surprised. Shot with the magwell and grip felt solid even at that distance. Is that realistic for a SD scenario? Who knows, but good to have some variety in training. Not under "real" stress, but shooting with your buddies on a timed course of fire was challenging.
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I never seriously considered jumping through CCW hoops because I didn't feel threatened where I live.
But I get the feeling that things are changing in my area...and not for the better.
:(
you never know
better to have and not need, than to need and not have
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I never seriously considered jumping through CCW hoops because I didn't feel threatened where I live.
But I get the feeling that things are changing in my area...and not for the better.
:(
CCW is for the stuff you can't predict.
Better to be prepared before the bad happens.
How many people invest in a home security system AFTER they are victims of a break-in? All too common. Closing the barn door after the horses are gone.
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you never know
better to have and not need, than to need and not have
I don't carry most days because firearms not allowed where I work. I used to evaluate based on perception, which I definitely can say it's changing. For Hawaii CCW, I primarily got it out of principle. To be (better) determine for myself if/when I carry. Yeah, still getting approval from HPD via the process, but it was more about my choice vice conditions dictating (at least for me).
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Shot a modified (guud enuff) Dickens Drill with the ported 48 and did 10/10 in around 11 seconds. This was the first I've shot the ported 48 further than around 25 yards and was pleasantly surprised. Shot with the magwell and grip felt solid even at that distance. Is that realistic for a SD scenario? Who knows, but good to have some variety in training. Not under "real" stress, but shooting with your buddies on a timed course of fire was challenging.
Since you've already jumped thru the permit to acquire hoops, what's 1 more? At least the CCW last 4 years now, vs. the 1 year when they were 1st issued.
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Shot a modified (guud enuff) Dickens Drill with the ported 48 and did 10/10 in around 11 seconds. This was the first I've shot the ported 48 further than around 25 yards and was pleasantly surprised. Shot with the magwell and grip felt solid even at that distance. Is that realistic for a SD scenario? Who knows, but good to have some variety in training. Not under "real" stress, but shooting with your buddies on a timed course of fire was challenging.
Since you've already jumped thru the permit to acquire hoops, what's 1 more? At least the CCW last 4 years now, vs. the 1 year when they were 1st issued.
What? Did you mean to respond to my post about CCW application?
I actually used the CCW application process to justify buying another pistol, actually two more haha. Current plan is to do the CCW process again for two other pistols about 2 years in. Which made it a "convenient" justification for essentially duplicate CCW guns (2x 17.5 and 43x and 48).