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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: macsak on November 23, 2024, 08:16:28 AM
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These phantom voters will emerge again in 2028. Or possibly in the mid-terms.
They exist because cheaters exist.
They will go away forever once we fix this bullsh*t mail-in "voting system" and the "No ID" crap that has made the electoral process a fu*kn joke.
2024 and all the other years prior to 2020 proved that evil exists. It reared it's ugly head in 2020 and will do it again if people let their guard down.
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These phantom voters will emerge again in 2028. Or possibly in the mid-terms.
They exist because cheaters exist.
They will go away forever once we fix this bullsh*t mail-in "voting system" and the "No ID" crap that has made the electoral process a fu*kn joke.
2024 and all the other years prior to 2020 proved that evil exists. It reared it's ugly head in 2020 and will do it again if people let their guard down.
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yep
Mail in voting has to go.
We NEED to bring REAL people back to the polling places.
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Crazy conspiracies. Laughable. Some people skipped voting, some voted Trump. The total votes wasn't that off.
Around 3million short. If you look at CURRENT numbers.
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yep
Mail in voting has to go.
We NEED to bring REAL people back to the polling places.
No. I will only vote Mail in. I'm not standing in line for hours. Us young people got better things to do.
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No. I will only vote Mail in. I'm not standing in line for hours. Us young people got better things to do.
You have better things to do than vote for your preferred candidates?
That's says a lot. If you won't be bothered to vote unless it's convenient, maybe you shouldn't be voting.
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focus, young one
the 15 million is not the vote differential between D and R...
Crazy conspiracies. Laughable. Some people skipped voting, some voted Trump. The total votes wasn't that off.
Around 3million short. If you look at CURRENT numbers.
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focus, young one
the 15 million is not the vote differential between D and R...
He might not understand what "D and R" means. Ignorance seems to be going around .... :geekdanc:
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focus, young one
the 15 million is not the vote differential between D and R...
Total numbers not far off. Total votes they both got, differences between total votes from both elections.
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Total numbers not far off. Total votes they both got, differences between total votes from both elections.
Can you give specific numbers? Word salad is subject to misinterpretation.
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goalposts moved...
Total numbers not far off. Total votes they both got, differences between total votes from both elections.
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again:
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Before any numbers can be compared, the final numbers for 2024 need to be certified and made public. Right now, all we have are preliminary numbers. Some states are complete while others were still counting up through Nov 20th.
Also, those mail-in votes that PA wanted to count will not be included this year. A logical question might be -- did they count them in 2020 and not get caught? Obviously they were able to rationalize breaking the law this year. 2020 would be no exception.
This and other questions have yet to be answered. To this day, there's never been a full audit of the 2020 election. The argument is, without proof the numbers would be flipped by recounting, an audit isn't allowed. A classic Catch-22.
Maybe one day, an insider who knows what was done will have their Harry Reid moment and publicly gloat about how Trump didn't win. Until then, I'm sure the trail has either been cleaned up or "misplaced."
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No. I will only vote Mail in. I'm not standing in line for hours. Us young people got better things to do.
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People were standing in line because they shut down the regular polling places.
They created a choke point.
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People were standing in line because they shut down the regular polling places.
They created a choke point.
Hawaii rarely has super close races, so the problems with mail-in aren't as apparent. We also get a lot of military members and dependents who use mail-in voting to whichever state they are registered in. For many in that boat, mail-in is the only way they can vote for races in their home state.
I don't think mail-in needs to be stopped, just the 100%, no need to request a mail-in ballot laws need to go to just physical polling places. That can include early voting so the lines on election day are shorter and people with scheduling problems can work around it.
Each "solution" to make voting accessible has just compounded the problem. They need to use what works and make it the best process it can be. Fewer moving parts simplifies the solution.
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No. I will only vote Mail in. I'm not standing in line for hours. Us young people got better things to do.
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People were standing in line because they shut down the regular polling places.
They created a choke point.
That's correct. They are making it inconvenient to vote in person. With ID. And proof of citizenship.
Seems Jaco808 is young. If he participated in in-person voting when the regular precincts were open he would not have to worry about being in line for hours. His post shows he probably only recently was of age to vote.
Those people who stood in line for hours in the recent election is showing government the middle finger.
Some people say they got better things to do than stand in line for hours. And some people are willing to take a stand to give the government the middle finger and to do whatever it takes to make a point.
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Seems Jaco808 is young. If he participated in in-person voting when the regular precincts were open he would not have to worry about being in line for hours. His post shows he probably only recently was of age to vote.
I'm starting to believe xhe is not old enough to own firearms. Young is a relative description, but the time xhe spends talking about everything except firearms is bothersome.
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Trying to remember the times I voted in the general election.
The 26th Amendment to the Constitution was ratified July 1, 1971 -- just 100 days after being proposed in Congress. The Amendment lowered the legal voting age from 21 to 18. The age requirement had been 21 for the entire existence of the Constitution.
I first registered in high school when i was 18 -- spring of my senior. That was 1980, the first year Reagan was elected president. I was in college in Nov. i believe the polls were set up in the same building i went through drop-add in to change my class schedule once. No waiting line other than to check in and receive a ballot. Once that was done, waiting on a booth to mark the ballot in was super quick. Reagan won with 489 electoral votes to Carter's 49. Reagan won 44 states, and Carter won 6 + DC. I doubt there will ever be a bigger landslide than that!
Next would have been the year I graduated college: 1984. In Nov, I was in OK stationed at Tinker AFB. I was still a NC resident, so i voted by mail-in ballot. I was still stationed in OK in 1988, but I was in Saudi Arabia at election time. My ballot arrived while i was TDY, and my wife forwarded it to me on the weekly rotator C-141. I sent it back the next week in the rotator mail bag.
1992 was the year I separated from the service. I was in VA, and that was the year the lines to vote were super long. That was the year Ross Perot ran. He was the only Independent on a General election ticket who had any chance to win that I knew of. Bill Clinton won in large part to Perot syphoning off a lot of votes from the incumbent, GHW Bush. Since i was no longer on active duty and required to claim my domicile state as my legal state of residence, I wasn't able to vote via mail-in. Turn out was very high that year mainly because of Perot -- about 20M more voters than in 1980. i remember being in line for almost 3 hours. They weren't able to extend polling hours, but anyone in line before the scheduled poll closing was allowed to vote. i remember it was dark when i left the poll.
I moved to Hawaii in 1993, and i've voted here since. When i lived behind Mililani Safeway, we voted at the Rec Center near Uka Elementary. Around 2000, my polling place moved to Mililani HS as they started reducing the number of polling centers. Even after i moved nearer to H-2, it remained at the HS for at least 1 election, then moved to Kipapa Elementary.
I don't remember waiting more than about 45 minutes at any of the Mililani locations. Usually much less, like 15-30 minutes. Once you reached the check-in and were handed the ballot, marking and scanning took no time.
Now all my Mililani locations are shut down. Closest place to cast a ballot is the mail-in ballot drop box at the Mauka park & ride.
I've never considered any of my time in line to vote sufficient to deter me from exercising my right to vote. You know what they say about rights: use it or lose it.
There are very lazy voters. it's why ballot harvesting is so successful at increasing voter participation. I'm surprised they still report numbers for "voter turn-out" given the amount of mail-in ballots cast which don't require anyone to "turn out".
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I am fortunate to live near a school so it was a 2 minute walk to the cafeteria/polling place. :rofl:
My employer allotted me a few hours to go vote.
Isn't that some kind of law?
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When you spent years prepping for the zombie apocalypse and it was over before you even noticed that it was happening… >:(
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I am fortunate to live near a school so it was a 2 minute walk to the cafeteria/polling place. :rofl:
My employer allotted me a few hours to go vote.
Isn't that some kind of law?
2018 Hawaii Revised Statutes
TITLE 2. ELECTIONS
11. Elections, Generally
11-95 Employees entitled to leave on election day for voting.
https://law.justia.com/codes/hawaii/2018/title-2/chapter-11/section-11-95/
Two consecutive hours max of paid time off during polling hours. You can use that time in conjunction with normal lunch or break times if you think you need more than 2 hours.
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2018 Hawaii Revised Statutes
TITLE 2. ELECTIONS
11. Elections, Generally
11-95 Employees entitled to leave on election day for voting.
https://law.justia.com/codes/hawaii/2018/title-2/chapter-11/section-11-95/
Two consecutive hours max of paid time off during polling hours. You can use that time in conjunction with normal lunch or break times if you think you need more than 2 hours.
Our employer required us to show our voting receipt. :thumbsup:
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Our employer required us to show our voting receipt. :thumbsup:
Some do, some don't. Mine never did, but nobody saw a need to lie. Most of us would take off the last 2 hours of the workday -- 3 if we took a late lunch. it was a short workday regardless of how long voting actually took. Any time off not spent voting was normally spent in rush hour traffic, so trying to return to work that late in the day made no sense.