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Title: ICE "raids"
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 29, 2025, 06:46:58 PM
Interesting how quickly they began arresting people.

So they knew all along where these illegals were, but refused to do their job.

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Title: Re: ICE "raids"
Post by: ren on January 29, 2025, 07:09:54 PM
meanwhile in other countries this is how they deal with illegal "migrants"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efz7eTDUW2o
Title: Re: ICE "raids"
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 29, 2025, 07:30:07 PM
Interesting how quickly they began arresting people.

So they knew all along where these illegals were, but refused to do their job.


Well, yeah!  Voter registration cards!  Hell-O!!
Title: Re: ICE "raids"
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 30, 2025, 08:44:57 AM
This is why states like CA want to issue drivers license's to illegals.  Cause one often doesn't carry their citizenship proof or legal resident proof on them like a birth certificate.  So cops would just go by ID.  I mean, even in HI, I had to show my birth certificate when I renewed my license a few years ago.
Title: Re: ICE "raids"
Post by: QUIETShooter on January 30, 2025, 08:48:57 AM
What was ICE doing all this time, besides just grabbing a paycheck.......


Interesting how quickly they began arresting people.

So they knew all along where these illegals were, but refused to do their job.

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Title: Re: ICE "raids"
Post by: eyeeatingfish on January 30, 2025, 10:16:27 AM
Interesting how quickly they began arresting people.

So they knew all along where these illegals were, but refused to do their job.

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I suspect it wasn't that they didn't want to work rather they were told not to focus on that. I think what we are seeing is more like taking the handcuffs off the agents and allowing them to do their job.
Title: Re: ICE "raids"
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 30, 2025, 10:42:17 AM
I suspect it wasn't that they didn't want to work rather they were told not to focus on that. I think what we are seeing is more like taking the handcuffs off the agents and allowing them to do their job.

Following orders to not detain/make an arrest. It's obvious that the intel was done, so the process began.  So I stand by my claim, "refused to do their job".

No one wants to disobey orders and get fired from a government job. (figure of speech used for the "no one wants to" part).
Title: Re: ICE "raids"
Post by: mrgaf on January 30, 2025, 02:59:07 PM
meanwhile in other countries this is how they deal with illegal "migrants"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efz7eTDUW2o

Love it!😊 Bodies can be used as fertilizer! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ICE "raids"
Post by: drck1000 on January 30, 2025, 04:38:10 PM
Love it!😊 Bodies can be used as fertilizer! :thumbsup:
Feed the hogs. . . now wouldn't that be ironic. . .
Title: Re: ICE "raids"
Post by: eyeeatingfish on January 31, 2025, 10:28:34 AM
Following orders to not detain/make an arrest. It's obvious that the intel was done, so the process began.  So I stand by my claim, "refused to do their job".

No one wants to disobey orders and get fired from a government job. (figure of speech used for the "no one wants to" part).

Their job is to follow orders as well. If their bosses tell them not to go arrest illegal aliens and they comply then they are not refusing to do their job.
Title: Re: ICE "raids"
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 31, 2025, 11:23:17 AM
Their job is to follow orders as well. If their bosses tell them not to go arrest illegal aliens and they comply then they are not refusing to do their job.


swooosh.

***update

Do u have any proof of your "if their bosses told them to not to go arrest illegals?".  Or are you making another whataboutism just to argue?
Title: Re: ICE "raids"
Post by: ren on January 31, 2025, 07:21:37 PM
Their job is to follow orders as well. If their bosses tell them not to go arrest illegal aliens and they comply then they are not refusing to do their job.

     The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution (Article VI, Clause 2) establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the supreme law of the land. It states:

        "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the Supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."


    The oath that every person who becomes a 'Public Servant' in elected office, their appointees, members of the military, and every government employee is obligated to take on their own free will to represent the United States and its citizens, is that they swear:

        "...to the best of my ability, ‘Support, Preserve, Protect and Defend’ the Constitution of the United States..."
Title: Re: ICE "raids"
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 31, 2025, 07:50:50 PM
Superior orders
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Superior orders, also known as just following orders or the
Nuremberg defense, is a plea in a court of law that a person, whether
civilian, military or police, should not be considered guilty of committing
crimes ordered by a superior officer or official.[1][2] It is regarded as a
complement to command responsibility.
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Under the London Charter of the International Military Tribunal that
established them, the trials determined that the defense of superior
orders was no longer enough to escape punishment
but merely
enough to lessen it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders
Title: Re: ICE "raids"
Post by: eyeeatingfish on February 04, 2025, 11:44:33 AM

swooosh.

***update

Do u have any proof of your "if their bosses told them to not to go arrest illegals?".  Or are you making another whataboutism just to argue?

You want me to prove a hypothetical conditional statement?  :crazy:
Title: Re: ICE "raids"
Post by: eyeeatingfish on February 04, 2025, 11:48:13 AM
     The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution (Article VI, Clause 2) establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the supreme law of the land. It states:

        "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the Supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."


    The oath that every person who becomes a 'Public Servant' in elected office, their appointees, members of the military, and every government employee is obligated to take on their own free will to represent the United States and its citizens, is that they swear:

        "...to the best of my ability, ‘Support, Preserve, Protect and Defend’ the Constitution of the United States..."


It doesn't negate orders though. If Trump were to order the DOJ and DEA to stop prosecuting marijuana cases should the DEA agents disregard that and still arrest people for marijuana because it is still the law? If Trump tells the ATF to stop enforcing bump stock cases are you going to be upset that the ATF agents don't enforce the law?

An executive order to not enforce a law is much different than an executive order to violate a law.
Title: Re: ICE "raids"
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 04, 2025, 12:02:26 PM
You want me to prove a hypothetical conditional statement?  :crazy:

Yes. Or else don't give the hypothetical.

What if their bosses told them to arrest the illegals on August 21st 2025 due to man power shortages. See I can make up stuff too, but I'll guess you will think that my what if isn't good enough.
Title: Re: ICE "raids"
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 04, 2025, 12:03:48 PM
It doesn't negate orders though. If Trump were to order the DOJ and DEA to stop prosecuting marijuana cases should the DEA agents disregard that and still arrest people for marijuana because it is still the law? If Trump tells the ATF to stop enforcing bump stock cases are you going to be upset that the ATF agents don't enforce the law?

An executive order to not enforce a law is much different than an executive order to violate a law.


Wow on the examples. Hahahhahah too. I'll let u figure out why.
Title: Re: ICE "raids"
Post by: eyeeatingfish on February 04, 2025, 12:09:36 PM
Yes. Or else don't give the hypothetical.

What if their bosses told them to arrest the illegals on August 21st 2025 due to man power shortages. See I can make up stuff too, but I'll guess you will think that my what if isn't good enough.

So you don't believe in "if then" statements? The issue was whether they were complying with orders or whether they were being lazy. Since none of us know which one is the case the only way we can discuss it is to say "if they were complying with orders then..." or "if they were being lazy then...."
Title: Re: ICE "raids"
Post by: eyeeatingfish on February 04, 2025, 12:12:14 PM

Wow on the examples. Hahahhahah too. I'll let u figure out why.

In other words you don't understand so you have to throw up a smokescreen.
Title: Re: ICE "raids"
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 04, 2025, 12:17:32 PM
So you don't believe in "if then" statements? The issue was whether they were complying with orders or whether they were being lazy. Since none of us know which one is the case the only way we can discuss it is to say "if they were complying with orders then..." or "if they were being lazy then...."

I stating the sequence of events and the only possible outcome.  Unlike you're "logic", mine is much better.  Unless maybe, they have mind readers and can read the mind if someone is an illegal, so they knew where they are at in seconds, then went to arrest them. That's an option too right? ICE agents are "bulimic".
Title: Re: ICE "raids"
Post by: eyeeatingfish on February 04, 2025, 12:33:18 PM
I stating the sequence of events and the only possible outcome.  Unlike you're "logic", mine is much better.  Unless maybe, they have mind readers and can read the mind if someone is an illegal, so they knew where they are at in seconds, then went to arrest them. That's an option too right? ICE agents are "bulimic".

Your logic is much better because ICE agents might be bulimic?  :crazy:
Title: Re: ICE "raids"
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 04, 2025, 02:07:18 PM
Your logic is much better because ICE agents might be bulimic?  :crazy:

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