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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: changemyoil66 on February 03, 2025, 02:06:49 PM
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Hearing is the next day 2/6 at 2pm. Testimony is due 24 hours prior to the hearing.
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Nothing would be grandfathered in under this, would it?
Who would be allowed to have an "assault weapon" under HRS 134-3?
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Nothing would be grandfathered in under this, would it?
Who would be allowed to have an "assault weapon" under HRS 134-3?
There is a grandfather clause. But if your gun leaves the state, you cannot bring it back. So no competition, gun smithing, hunting, etc...
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There is a grandfather clause. But if your gun leaves the state, you cannot bring it back. So no competition, gun smithing, hunting, etc...
Oh I get it.
I didn't realize assault pistols were also grandfathered in back in 1992.
This copies that language but for 50 cals, "assault rifles" and "assault shotguns".
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Oh I get it.
I didn't realize assault pistols were also grandfathered in back in 1992.
This copies that language but for 50 cals, "assault rifles" and "assault shotguns".
I meant grandfather for this new law. IDK about 1992.
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We just submitted our testimony Against this bill. These testimony notifications are sooo greatly appreciated. We -- and I am sure along with so many others -- really depend on these notifications. Just a friendly head's up ... these notifications may be more effective if they were provided earlier ... like for those of us who just don't get around to checking it as often as we should. Again, thank you so very much.
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most times, the notifications are made as soon as they show up...
We just submitted our testimony Against this bill. These testimony notifications are sooo greatly appreciated. We -- and I am sure along with so many others -- really depend on these notifications. Just a friendly head's up ... these notifications may be more effective if they were provided earlier ... like for those of us who just don't get around to checking it as often as we should. Again, thank you so very much.
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We just submitted our testimony Against this bill. These testimony notifications are sooo greatly appreciated. We -- and I am sure along with so many others -- really depend on these notifications. Just a friendly head's up ... these notifications may be more effective if they were provided earlier ... like for those of us who just don't get around to checking it as often as we should. Again, thank you so very much.
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They must notify us at least 48 hours before the hearing. Sometimes they give longer than that, like for this bills hearing, they gave more than 48 hrs notice. We try to post it ASAP, but we are people with stuff to do and sometimes hours can go by before we notice that a hearing is scheduled. Those involved with posting notices often get emailed when hearings in the committees are taking place. But one has to first check their emails to view it.
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I meant grandfather for this new law. IDK about 1992.
The grandfather clause is a copy-and-paste of the old one for assault pistols, right? Isn't this the relevant language?
“~134-8 Ownership, etc., of automatic firearms, silencers,
15 etc., prohibited; penalties. (a) The manufacture, possession,
16 sale, barter, trade, gift, transfer, or acquisition of any of
17 the following is prohibited: assault pistols, except as
18 provided by section 134-4(e); assault rifles, except as provided
19 by section 134—4(f); assault shotguns, except as provided by
20 section 134-4(f); .50 caliber rifles, except as provided by
21 section 134-4(f);
So the "grandfather clause" is the "except as provided by section 134-4(f)" bit, right?
Existing language in section 134-4(e):
(e) After July 1, 1992, no person shall bring or cause to
11 be brought into the State an assault pistol. No assault pistol
12 may be sold or transferred on or after July 1, 1992, to anyone
13 within the State other than to a dealer licensed under section
14 134—32 or the chief of police of any county except that any
15 person who obtains title by bequest or intestate succession to
16 an assault pistol registered within the State shall, within
17 ninety days, render the weapon permanently inoperable, sell or
18 transfer the weapon to a licensed dealer or the chief of police
19 of any county, or remove the weapon from the State.
Proposed new language as section 134-4(f):
20 (f) After July 8, 2024, except as provided by section
21 134-8 (e), no person shall bring or cause to be brought into the
State an assault rifle, assault shotgun, or .50 caliber rifle.
2 No assault rifle, assault shotgun, or .50 caliber rifle shall be
3 sold or transferred on or after July 8, 2024, to anyone within
4 the State, other than to a dealer licensed under section 134-32
5 or the chief of police of any county, except as provided by
6 section 134-8(e); provided that any person who obtains title by
7 bequest or intestate succession to an assault rifle, assault
8 shotgun, or .50 caliber rifle registered within the State shall,
9 within ninety days, render the weapon permanently inoperable,
10 sell or transfer the weapon to a licensed dealer or the chief of
11 police of any county, or remove the weapon from the State.”
I didn't realize guys could still have uzi's or whatnot as long as they were registered before 1992. I wonder how many are still out there, I haven't seen one.
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I brought the spice on this one.
Soros lost a lot of federal funding recently. Globalists are on the run.
Fix bayonets! (Figuratively speaking of course.)
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Oppose testimonies 354 and all are originals.
Support testimonies 463. Of which, 366 are copy and pasted. Only 97 original testimonies.
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Oppose testimonies 354 and all are originals.
Support testimonies 463. Of which, 366 are copy and pasted. Only 97 original testimonies.
thanks for doing the breakdown and analysis. :shaka:
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Oppose testimonies 354 and all are originals.
Support testimonies 463. Of which, 366 are copy and pasted. Only 97 original testimonies.
FYI they don’t very if you are a real person.
All someone needs to submit testimony is a fake name and disposable email.
I’m curious how many of those gun grabbers actually exist.
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FYI they don’t very if you are a real person.
All someone needs to submit testimony is a fake name and disposable email.
I’m curious how many of those gun grabbers actually exist.
Try looking up the copy paste names and see if they come up...
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Oppose testimonies 354 and all are originals.
Support testimonies 463. Of which, 366 are copy and pasted. Only 97 original testimonies.
I guess those ICE raids in Hawaii didn't work
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Interesting that only 1 "gun store", a FFL submitted testimony. This would ban what they sell.
The store I give the most exception to is DCT as he's a plaintiff on lawsuits that fight for our 2a right.
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Bill passed with amendments. Now it goes to the house floor vote.
Only Shimizu voted nay. Garcia was absent who's usually a 2a supporter.
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So what's the next step for HB893?
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So what's the next step for HB893?
Goes to senate PSM who will likely pass it, then JDC which might change it to 20 round maximum.
Odds are high something will pass. The AG has been absent from the hearings, possible they don't want more litigation for things like this at this time
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Goes to senate PSM who will likely pass it, then JDC which might change it to 20 round maximum.
Odds are high something will pass. The AG has been absent from the hearings, possible they don't want more litigation for things like this at this time
HPD as well.
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Goes to senate PSM who will likely pass it, then JDC which might change it to 20 round maximum.
Odds are high something will pass. The AG has been absent from the hearings, possible they don't want more litigation for things like this at this time
Provided it passes and retains a grandfather clause, how long do I have to go on my shopping spree?
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Provided it passes and retains a grandfather clause, how long do I have to go on my shopping spree?
I'm guessing May-ish, unless "they" decide to fast-track it to the guvnors office.
you could check the "Legislative Calendar" for all the relevant milestone dates.
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Provided it passes and retains a grandfather clause, how long do I have to go on my shopping spree?
No grandfathering.
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No grandfathering.
Doesn't the current version of the bill have a grandfather clause?
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Doesn't the current version of the bill have a grandfather clause?
In a way it does. Just gotta convert em to 10 round magazines.
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In a way it does. Just gotta convert em to 10 round magazines.
Magazines would need to have capacities reduced, but any 50 cals and "assault weapons" currently registered would remain legal as long as they didn't leave and re-enter the state. According to the most-recent language, which is a copy of the way that "assault pistols" were banned-but-grandfathered in 1992.
Right? That was my understanding of the current bill.
So if passed as written, any AR lowers registered pre-passage wouldn't need a fin grip, but any registered after passage would.
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Magazines would need to have capacities reduced, but any 50 cals and "assault weapons" currently registered would remain legal as long as they didn't leave and re-enter the state. According to the most-recent language, which is a copy of the way that "assault pistols" were banned-but-grandfathered in 1992.
Right? That was my understanding of the current bill.
So if passed as written, any AR lowers registered pre-passage wouldn't need a fin grip, but any registered after passage would.
My bad, I was just referring to magazines needing capacity reductions. firearms are grandfathered.
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Doesn't the current version of the bill have a grandfather clause?
No grandfather for mags. Get grandfather for guns.
No compensation to pay you back for all the mags you have either. HIFICO director stated in zoom test that he has 300 mags.
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This is the kind of shit that could inspire some sarcastic asshole buy some 100 count pmag bulk boxes and hand them out to anybody that wants one up until the day it goes into effect. Hell maybe even gift them to every legislator, so they can be felons with the rest of their constituents... ya know theoretically.
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This is the kind of shit that could inspire some sarcastic asshole buy some 100 count pmag bulk boxes and hand them out to anybody that wants one up until the day it goes into effect. Hell maybe even gift them to every legislator, so they can be felons with the rest of their constituents... ya know theoretically.
It's the kind of thing that makes people not want to call the cops and handle business on their own.
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Wait, so with the law's reference to July 24, 2024 ... If I purchase an "assault rifle" now, then if the law passes, then will i be in violation?
Hmm, I've been meaning to purchase an AR for years. Should I finally "pull the trigger" and buy one now, before this law goes into effect?
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Wait, so with the law's reference to July 24, 2024 ... If I purchase an "assault rifle" now, then if the law passes, then will i be in violation?
Hmm, I've been meaning to purchase an AR for years. Should I finally "pull the trigger" and buy one now, before this law goes into effect?
The dates will most likely be changed to be current. But in general, buy what you want NOW in case this passes.
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I'm used to seeing nonsensical [placeholder] dates in these bills. Usually they're more obviously placeholders.
Would it even be fundamentally workable for a law like this to apply retroactively in that way?
I assume that it could be, but would also give yet another angle of legal attack on a law that is already on increasingly perilous Constitutional interpretation. It'd probably be stupid to make it apply retroactively, but they also aren't unfamiliar with stupidity, so...
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I'm used to seeing nonsensical [placeholder] dates in these bills. Usually they're more obviously placeholders.
Would it even be fundamentally workable for a law like this to apply retroactively in that way?
I assume that it could be, but would also give yet another angle of legal attack on a law that is already on increasingly perilous Constitutional interpretation. It'd probably be stupid to make it apply retroactively, but they also aren't unfamiliar with stupidity, so...
Most likely, our comrades there got lazy and copy/pasted last years bill.
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I'll be ultra pissed if they make it retroactive considering I bought 5 lowers last week, and am planning to buy a rifle and shotgun this week, on top of needing to ship a couple rifles to the mainland for service before the border would get sealed.
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I'll be ultra pissed if they make it retroactive considering I bought 5 lowers last week, and am planning to buy a rifle and shotgun this week, on top of needing to ship a couple rifles to the mainland for service before the border would get sealed.
Any grandfather clause can always be deleted later as the years pass. This is why we cannot give an inch.
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I'm guessing May-ish, unless "they" decide to fast-track it to the guvnors office.
you could check the "Legislative Calendar" for all the relevant milestone dates.
Where is this Legislative Calendar you speak of?
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Where is this Legislative Calendar you speak of?
This looks official:
https://data.capitol.hawaii.gov/docs/sessioncalendar2025.pdf
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This looks official:
https://data.capitol.hawaii.gov/docs/sessioncalendar2025.pdf
that's the one I had in mind. :thumbsup:
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Where is this Legislative Calendar you speak of?
It's not common for a bill like this to be fast tracked. So it won't be signed until July when all the other bills are signed, or Green may choose to not sign the bill and it still becomes law. But I'm sure all the anti 2a's will be invited and a signing will take place. The effective date can change too. It could be upon signing, or 1/1/26.
Again, no grandfather for rifle mags. So you have to destroy them, disassemble, turn into HPD, or ship out of state by the effective date.
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Though this doesn't specifically target ARs, this is the foundation for a future ban.
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Though this doesn't specifically target ARs, this is the foundation for a future ban.
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This bans AR's and all semi-auto rifles. And this bill has no grandfather clause for mags.
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AR's and semi's on their hit list.
You think it will stop there?
Lever actions, bolt actions with 5 and 10 rnd mags will be next.
Think Canada.
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AR's and semi's on their hit list.
You think it will stop there?
Lever actions, bolt actions with 5 and 10 rnd mags will be next.
Think Canada.
That's the idea of any gun ban/law. Frog in boiling water reference. 10rd mags are a made up number, so nothing to prevent to say OK to have a 10rd mag, but you can only put 7rds in it. Like how NY did.
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This bans AR's and all semi-auto rifles. And this bill has no grandfather clause for mags.
(https://media.tenor.com/wyY1IUq2LVoAAAAC/im-never-coming-back-to-school-never.gif)
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The bill reads that it applies to rifles under length of 30"? Does that apply to ARs and other rifles?
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The bill reads that it applies to rifles under length of 30"? Does that apply to ARs and other rifles?
seriously?
a 14.5" AR-15, P&W to 16", with a collapsed telescoping stock (B5 SOPMOD), comes out to about 32" OAL.
I guess anything side-folder, or under-folding (jihadi favorite), would be less than 30".
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The bill reads that it applies to rifles under length of 30"? Does that apply to ARs and other rifles?
However, a typical AR-15 with a 16-inch barrel
and a collapsible stock fully extended
will measure approximately 35-37 inches.
With the stock collapsed, the same rifle might
measure around 32 inches.
https://thegunzone.com/what-is-the-overall-length-of-an-ar-15/
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Pretty much all the 30" OAL ban hits are bullpups. Most people don't care about bullpups.
I've looked and to my knowledge no bullpup has ever been used in a mass shooting. A combination of being comparatively rare and expensive.
I own several bullpups. My AUG and RFB are 28-26" long. Ironically the 30" restriction doesn't apply to shotguns though. My TS12 is California-Legal, while it wouldn't be if it were a rifle.
But I think some people here are reading the bill wrong. An OAL under 30" is just one of several features that would cause a rifle to be banned. This would ban most semiauto rifles.
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my wishlist includes a Tavor X95 ...
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The bill reads that it applies to rifles under length of 30"? Does that apply to ARs and other rifles?
Those are separate requirements. So that would ban any semi auto rifle under 30 inches regardless if it had a detachable magazines or fixed, or any of the awb features.
It would be something strange like a bulpup rifle with a fixed 10 round magazine. I'm not aware of any rifle that would fall under this that doesn't fall under the other 2 that isn't already illegal in Hawaii.
Or it could be a copy and paste bill from another state that doesn't ban assault pistols.
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Any bullpup that takes AR mags could have one of the fixed magazine conversions installed, right?
KelTec RDB, M17S, Tavor, VHS2/ Hellion...