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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: ren on February 08, 2025, 10:00:37 AM
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https://www.kitv.com/news/konawaena-high-school-placed-on-lockdown-after-construction-tool-mistaken-as-gun/article_b44dac3e-e5e6-11ef-a107-bf74eaa8a65e.html
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What movie was it where the bad guy got nailed in the head with a nail gun?
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What movie was it where the bad guy got nailed in the head with a nail gun?
Lethal weapon 2, “Nailed em both”
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the bigger issue is that innocent people were arrested based on a false claim.
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Why is anyone surprised by this?
A Pop Tart chewed into the shape of a handgun, outlines of guns on shirts and hats, and even pointing a finger-gun at someone have been grounds for expulsion from schools and arrest.
Adults have lost their damn minds when it comes to anything that somewhat might loosely resemble a firearm.
The only thing that's surprised me recently is that there's been no reports of gun haters calling 911 on concealed carry licensees. I guess praise is in order for everyone carrying and not printing! :thumbsup: :geekdanc:
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"Excuse me, but can you reach up and grab that item for me please?"
"I can't, ma'am, you see, I'm carrying a concealed firearm....."
:D
"Pardon me sir, but there seems to be something under the side of your shirt. Are you concealed carrying a firearm?"
"No, that's my colostomy bag you fackah....."
:rofl:
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"Excuse me, but can you reach up and grab that item for me please?"
"I can't, ma'am, you see, I'm carrying a concealed firearm....."
:D
"Pardon me sir, but there seems to be something under the side of your shirt. Are you concealed carrying a firearm?"
"No, that's my colostomy bag you fackah....."
:rofl:
https://sneakypeteholsters.com/
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the bigger issue is that innocent people were arrested based on a false claim.
Not really, if the custodian was certain he/she saw a gun and he positively identified the people he saw with a gun then police are justified in making the arrest because they have probable cause to do so and they are acting on good faith.
It is not uncommon for witnesses to make incorrect reports, not out of malice but out of misunderstanding or fabrications the brain makes subconsciously.
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Not really, if the custodian was certain he/she saw a gun and he positively identified the people he saw with a gun then police are justified in making the arrest because they have probable cause to do so and they are acting on good faith.
It is not uncommon for witnesses to make incorrect reports, not out of malice but out of misunderstanding or fabrications the brain makes subconsciously.
Are you somehow related to Kamala Harris either subconsciously or biologically? What is your expertise with the subconscious mind? Mind meld?
In other words a person can be arrested for stealing their own car?
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Based on the facts reported, the Cops that made the arrest are idiots.
If no firearm was present and there was no evidence other than a custodian thinking he saw a gun, there should have been no arrests, because there was only one person's statement to provide probable cause. Even the witness said the gun wasn't being pointed at anyone, so how is that terroristic threatening?
Idiots with badges.
Hawai‘i Island police began a terroristic threat investigation after a
Konawaena High School custodian mistook a construction tool as
a gun.
A custodian from the school reported to police early Friday afternoon
that he saw four males with a gun in a silver SUV that passed the
school. The weapon he saw was not pointed at anyone.
Police located the car at a nearby home and arrested three 18-year-old
men and one minor for first-degree terroristic threatening. As a
precaution, Konawaena High School was placed on lockdown for 45
minutes.
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Based on the facts reported, the Cops that made the arrest are idiots.
If no firearm was present and there was no evidence other than a custodian thinking he saw a gun, there should have been no arrests, because there was only one person's statement to provide probable cause. Even the witness said the gun wasn't being pointed at anyone, so how is that terroristic threatening?
Idiots with badges.
just arrest and let the courts sort em all out. no investigation needed.
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just arrest and let the courts sort em all out. no investigation needed.
According to one forum member, the cops investigate complaints on the scene (e.g. stolen cellphone at a bus stop).
I guess he will agree to disagree without offering any evidence supporting his position.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaKjRMMU9HI
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Not really, if the custodian was certain he/she saw a gun and he positively identified the people he saw with a gun then police are justified in making the arrest because they have probable cause to do so and they are acting on good faith.
It is not uncommon for witnesses to make incorrect reports, not out of malice but out of misunderstanding or fabrications the brain makes subconsciously.
Do you have more info than what the newspaper posted? Seems like a common he said, she said type of thing. And in the meantime, someone was arrested and put in holding (aka jail) and then later released. Did the person miss work because of this? What if this was a legal CCW holder, would their CCW be revoked or would they have trouble renewing it the next renewal? I've seen HPD deny returning someones firearms, even though a judge released them to the individual. They had to hire a lawyer to get them back, which means more cost.
How did the custodian see the gun when the car was driving by? This would be he was at the edge of the road and just to happen look into a car as it drove by. Unless the guy was holding it outside the car window pointed down toward the road or something.
By face value of info available to the public, seems like the cop was over zealous.
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Are you somehow related to Kamala Harris either subconsciously or biologically? What is your expertise with the subconscious mind? Mind meld?
In other words a person can be arrested for stealing their own car?
What part of what I said do you not understand? Let me know and I will elaborate.
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Based on the facts reported, the Cops that made the arrest are idiots.
If no firearm was present and there was no evidence other than a custodian thinking he saw a gun, there should have been no arrests, because there was only one person's statement to provide probable cause. Even the witness said the gun wasn't being pointed at anyone, so how is that terroristic threatening?
Idiots with badges.
A firearm does not need to be located in order to establish a firearm was part of a crime. If I rob you at gunpoint but you ditch the gun before cops catch you do you believe that means you can only be charged with robbery 2nd as opposed to robbery 1st? (Robbery 1st involves a weapon)
The article contains very little information on the specifics of the case. We don't know whether he said he thought it could have been a gun or if he said he was certain he saw a gun. If in fact the custodian said something to the effect of "he was holding something and it kind of looked like a gun" then yes it would have been a bad arrest if there was no firearm.
You are fond of pointing out when people who were never in the military comment about something in the military so keeping with that, please tell me how much law enforcement experience you have.
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Do you have more info than what the newspaper posted? Seems like a common he said, she said type of thing. And in the meantime, someone was arrested and put in holding (aka jail) and then later released. Did the person miss work because of this? What if this was a legal CCW holder, would their CCW be revoked or would they have trouble renewing it the next renewal? I've seen HPD deny returning someones firearms, even though a judge released them to the individual. They had to hire a lawyer to get them back, which means more cost.
How did the custodian see the gun when the car was driving by? This would be he was at the edge of the road and just to happen look into a car as it drove by. Unless the guy was holding it outside the car window pointed down toward the road or something.
By face value of info available to the public, seems like the cop was over zealous.
Very valid questions, unfortunately the article gives very little in the way of details. It could have been they did their job poorly but it is also possible the circumstances were such that they were justified. Without knowing more it is impossible to fairly judge their decisions.
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A firearm does not need to be located in order to establish a firearm was part of a crime. If I rob you at gunpoint but you ditch the gun before cops catch you do you believe that means you can only be charged with robbery 2nd as opposed to robbery 1st? (Robbery 1st involves a weapon)
The article contains very little information on the specifics of the case. We don't know whether he said he thought it could have been a gun or if he said he was certain he saw a gun. If in fact the custodian said something to the effect of "he was holding something and it kind of looked like a gun" then yes it would have been a bad arrest if there was no firearm.
You are fond of pointing out when people who were never in the military comment about something in the military so keeping with that, please tell me how much law enforcement experience you have.
Hypothetical gobbledygook.
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Hypothetical gobbledygook.
Yet you have no problem calling them idiots with badges while knowing very little about the case and having no law enforcement experience....
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The custodian said he thought he saw a gun while the guys were in the car.
Either they were waving the thing around or the custodian is Superman in disguise (x-ray vision).
So if he isn't superman, then why do you suppose those guys were waving the thing around, or at least holding it up so one can see it through the windows?
Hmmmmm........velly intowesting.
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Yet you have no problem calling them idiots with badges while knowing very little about the case and having no law enforcement experience....
Do you have law enforcement experience?
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The custodian said he thought he saw a gun while the guys were in the car.
Either they were waving the thing around or the custodian is Superman in disguise (x-ray vision).
So if he isn't superman, then why do you suppose those guys were waving the thing around, or at least holding it up so one can see it through the windows?
Hmmmmm........velly intowesting.
I've seen custodians sweep leaves on the public sidewalk or grass areas of schools. So it's possible that they were passing by and he saw inside, but it would have to be a very quick glance.
What's more concerning is if this was a CCW holder and they were trying to lock up their firearm as they're going to a sensitive place. There's a guy who locked his gun in a safe in his car so he could go into the post office. A cop saw and arrested him because the parking lot is owned by the post office. Which makes that parking lot a federal gun free zone. So a guy was trying to do the right thing and instead of the cop giving him a break, he was arrested and loses his 2a right forever.
So, if this was a CCW holder and say it was a nail gun or other like object, I'll bet HPD will hassle him if he has to submit any kind of renewal paperwork, permit to acquire, or registration, etc...
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What movie was it where the bad guy got nailed in the head with a nail gun?
Equalizer also used nail gun inside a home depot
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I've seen custodians sweep leaves on the public sidewalk or grass areas of schools. So it's possible that they were passing by and he saw inside, but it would have to be a very quick glance.
What's more concerning is if this was a CCW holder and they were trying to lock up their firearm as they're going to a sensitive place. There's a guy who locked his gun in a safe in his car so he could go into the post office. A cop saw and arrested him because the parking lot is owned by the post office. Which makes that parking lot a federal gun free zone. So a guy was trying to do the right thing and instead of the cop giving him a break, he was arrested and loses his 2a right forever.
So, if this was a CCW holder and say it was a nail gun or other like object, I'll bet HPD will hassle him if he has to submit any kind of renewal paperwork, permit to acquire, or registration, etc...
Yeah, the parking lot scenario makes one think if the laws were designed that way.
Ditto for the CCW permitting process.
Meanwhile over at the Judicial bldgs the revolving door is spinning like crazy..........
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Do you have law enforcement experience?
for having such a long career at HPD,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH3rx8LhrQo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH3rx8LhrQo
He's never confirmed nor denied it...
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Do you have law enforcement experience?
If I said yes would it make a difference to you?
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If I said yes would it make a difference to you?
Yes.
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no, because we already know where you work...
If I said yes would it make a difference to you?
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no, because we already know where you work...
No you don't.
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No you don't.
So no reply to my question?
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ok chief...
No you don't.
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If I said yes would it make a difference to you?
Only a troll would answer a direct question like that with a question.
Deflect much?
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Only a troll would answer a direct question like that with a question.
Deflect much?
Non-sequitur. Try again
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Non-sequitur. Try again
Do you have law enforcement experience?
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Do you have law enforcement experience?
You have been on this forum for quite some time so I figured you would have understood by now that I obviously decline to state my profession. Not sure why you think asking the same question again is going to get a different answer.
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You have been on this forum for quite some time so I figured you would have understood by now that I obviously decline to state my profession. Not sure why you think asking the same question again is going to get a different answer.
I asked again because you didn't answer the question. You instead replied with a does it matter answer. I said yes and you never answered.
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You have been on this forum for quite some time so I figured you would have understood by now that I obviously decline to state my profession. Not sure why you think asking the same question again is going to get a different answer.
Being busted for prostitution could be considered a "law enforcement experience".