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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: eyeeatingfish on April 15, 2025, 02:37:49 PM
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A poll to see where people stand on Trump's recent tariffs.
I will add my thoughts in a post a little later.
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perhaps maybe i might potentially fill this out in the near future if i am slightly confident i might have a guess about what i could possibly say...
A poll to see where people stand on Trump's recent tariffs.
I will add my thoughts in a post a little later.
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perhaps maybe i might potentially fill this out in the near future if i am slightly confident i might have a guess about what i could possibly say...
I'd take that as a definite maybe for now, but still subject to change unless it no longer matters.
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Maybe hes doing a good job and maybe hes doing an average job and maybe hes doing a bad job.
Its also possible hes doing a slighlty good job.
Its possible hes doing a slightly bad job .
If trumps job is iffy and if its a good or bad job, depends on the stance of the potential strawman argument or non strawman. But then it could depend on a story about an icee machine that may or may not serve cold vanilla or non vanilla flavor as an example
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Trumps tariffs are proving to be a disaster. I didn't support his tariff plans in the beginning but I figure he deserves the benefit of the doubt, maybe the author of the art of the deal knew what he was talking about and could actually make it work.
But Trump isn't making it work, he is just making a mess. He is making a mess of the markets and international trade, he is pissing off allies, and making impossible and unrealistic promises of jobs returning to America. He isn't on the same page as his administration, flip flops on the purposes of the tariffs, and flip flops on whether there are going to be exemptions. Trump even insulted his own trade agreement from his first term in office.
And to make things worse, his die hard supporters are never going to admit he messed things up because they will always find a different way to point to failure as a success. They will add another dimension to his chess board to justify the damage Trump is causing.
Hope that statement isn't too soft for your liking.
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Trumps tariffs are proving to be a disaster. I didn't support his tariff plans in the beginning but I figure he deserves the benefit of the doubt, maybe the author of the art of the deal knew what he was talking about and could actually make it work.
But Trump isn't making it work, he is just making a mess. He is making a mess of the markets and international trade, he is pissing off allies, and making impossible and unrealistic promises of jobs returning to America. He isn't on the same page as his administration, flip flops on the purposes of the tariffs, and flip flops on whether there are going to be exemptions. Trump even insulted his own trade agreement from his first term in office.
And to make things worse, his die hard supporters are never going to admit he messed things up because they will always find a different way to point to failure as a success. They will add another dimension to his chess board to justify the damage Trump is causing.
Hope that statement isn't too soft for your liking.
Who are you addressing?
Why are you posting your comments here? There are already threads addressing the tariffs. Rebuttals to your criticisms and opinions here already exist there.
Maybe you were tired of being proven wrong, so you decided to start your own Trump-bashing thread disguised as a poll.
Nothing you do surprises me. Never wrong -- Never apologetic.
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Who are you addressing?
Take your pick, 3 of you responded in the same vein.
Why are you posting your comments here? There are already threads addressing the tariffs. Rebuttals to your criticisms and opinions here already exist there.
To have a poll and a topic dedicated to the issue and a fresh start without trolling (didn't take long for that to fail)
Maybe you were tired of being proven wrong, so you decided to start your own Trump-bashing thread disguised as a poll.
Nothing you do surprises me. Never wrong -- Never apologetic.
False premise and sorry, I didn't realize your leader was not allowed to be criticized on this forum. You going to report me because I dare point out where Trump is failing?
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Take your pick, 3 of you responded in the same vein.
So, you're saying you don't know.
To have a poll and a topic dedicated to the issue and a fresh start without trolling (didn't take long for that to fail)
This is a duplicate topic in a separate thread so you could try to control the discuss. You disguised it as a poll to avoid having it removed.
False premise and sorry, I didn't realize your leader was not allowed to be criticized on this forum. You going to report me because I dare point out where Trump is failing?
Please show me where i said any of that.
You really do love straw man arguing, huh?
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Who are you addressing?
Why are you posting your comments here? There are already threads addressing the tariffs. Rebuttals to your criticisms and opinions here already exist there.
Maybe you were tired of being proven wrong, so you decided to start your own Trump-bashing thread disguised as a poll.
Nothing you do surprises me. Never wrong -- Never apologetic.
He lost having the last word in other threads, so stating a new one is his new method to get a good feeling.
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So, you're saying you don't know.
Wrong. Reading comprehension isn't that hard.
This is a duplicate topic in a separate thread so you could try to control the discuss. You disguised it as a poll to avoid having it removed.
Feel free to point to the other thread specifically about Trump's tariffs.
I disguised it? So are you saying you are a mind reader? You think it should be removed? Are you that bothered when someone criticizes the dear leader that you must have it removed?
The question is why you couldn't have a dedicated thread about tariffs without turning it to a mud slinging contest? You couldn't even be bothered to defend the tariffs
Please show me where i said any of that.
I didn't say you said any of that. It was a sarcastic response to your stupid, baseless reply.
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He lost having the last word in other threads, so stating a new one is his new method to get a good feeling.
Another post showing you can't help yourself but to derail another thread.
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Another post showing you can't help yourself but to derail another thread.
You derailed your own thread when you started attacking everyone you disagree with:
And to make things worse, his die hard supporters are never going to admit
he messed things up because they will always find a different way to point to
failure as a success. They will add another dimension to his chess board to
justify the damage Trump is causing.
Hope that statement isn't too soft for your liking.
None of that has to do with tariffs, but rather the people you don't like supporting Trump in general.
If you can't stay on your own topic, don't blame others for derailing it.
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Another post showing you can't help yourself but to derail another thread.
Is it? You keep responding.
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You derailed your own thread when you started attacking everyone you disagree with:
None of that has to do with tariffs, but rather the people you don't like supporting Trump in general.
I didn't say anyone here was a die hard Trump supporter. Is this an admission by you?
You didn't do anything to defend his tariffs, just complained that I pointed out some people will blindly justify them.
If you can't stay on your own topic, don't blame others for derailing it.
The topic is support levels for his tariffs. Pointing out there are people who will justify the tariffs regardless of how good or bad it turns out is part of that. You talk of democrats who did such things about Biden, now you are upset I say there are MAGA people who would do the same for Trump?
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I didn't say anyone here was a die hard Trump supporter. Is this an admission by you?
You didn't do anything to defend his tariffs, just complained that I pointed out some people will blindly justify them.
The topic is support levels for his tariffs. Pointing out there are people who will justify the tariffs regardless of how good or bad it turns out is part of that. You talk of democrats who did such things about Biden, now you are upset I say there are MAGA people who would do the same for Trump?
Since almost 80% of the people voting on your poll agree 100% with the tariff's, i'm sure you are lumping most of that number into your "people who will justify the tariffs regardless of how good or bad it turns out."
True, or not?
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What a wonderful Republic we live in. We vote on people who tell us their vision and what they would do if elected. We vote and elect those who reflect those values and vision we would like to see the country head into.
I would imagine trust and faith would factor in when casting that vote.
And yes, in this particular instance, blind support for what Trump is doing is going to happen. The poll of this thread shows this. Most people don't know jack sh*t about tariffs and how they work in the overall picture of complex world trade.
But Trump is leading like a leader does and doing what a leader says he'll do. Those who hate will hate and those who will be affected by this issue will complain, bitch, and moan.
I say let this thing play out. Support the POTUS. Geeesh. It hasn't even been 100 days in the administration and people are bitching, moaning, or questioning his moves.
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I didn't say anyone here was a die hard Trump supporter. Is this an admission by you?
You didn't do anything to defend his tariffs, just complained that I pointed out some people will blindly justify them.
The topic is support levels for his tariffs. Pointing out there are people who will justify the tariffs regardless of how good or bad it turns out is part of that. You talk of democrats who did such things about Biden, now you are upset I say there are MAGA people who would do the same for Trump?
Why did you automatically include "I didn't say anyone here was a die hard Trump Supporter" when Flapp never even mentioned it in the comment you quoted? Did he say you said this in another post, that you didn't quote?
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Why did you automatically include "I didn't say anyone here was a die hard Trump Supporter" when Flapp never even mentioned it in the comment you quoted? Did he say you said this in another post, that you didn't quote?
I said to EEF, "...you started attacking everyone you disagree with."
I guess he equates die hard Trump supporters with everyone he disagrees with.
Objectively speaking, of course.
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Since almost 80% of the people voting on your poll agree 100% with the tariff's, i'm sure you are lumping most of that number into your "people who will justify the tariffs regardless of how good or bad it turns out."
True, or not?
Not true.
Why is it "attacking" to say that there are some who will never admit Trump was wrong?
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What a wonderful Republic we live in. We vote on people who tell us their vision and what they would do if elected. We vote and elect those who reflect those values and vision we would like to see the country head into.
I would imagine trust and faith would factor in when casting that vote.
And yes, in this particular instance, blind support for what Trump is doing is going to happen. The poll of this thread shows this. Most people don't know jack sh*t about tariffs and how they work in the overall picture of complex world trade.
But Trump is leading like a leader does and doing what a leader says he'll do. Those who hate will hate and those who will be affected by this issue will complain, bitch, and moan.
I say let this thing play out. Support the POTUS. Geeesh. It hasn't even been 100 days in the administration and people are bitching, moaning, or questioning his moves.
There is the legal question of whether Trump actually has the power to set all these tariffs since congress only gave the president power to set tariffs in emergencies. That is being challenged in court right now but if SCOTUS ends up giving Trump a wide berth for tariffs then letting it play out is indeed how it is going to work. Maybe Trump will learn his mistake and change course, maybe republicans will lose congress, the voters will have a say.
Is 100 days too early to call his tariffs a mess? I don't think so but if in 2-3 years we see substantial benefits that outweigh the negatives I will freely admit Trump was right. In the meantime, the numbers aren't pointing in his favor.
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There is the legal question of whether Trump actually has the power to set all these tariffs since congress only gave the president power to set tariffs in emergencies. That is being challenged in court right now but if SCOTUS ends up giving Trump a wide berth for tariffs then letting it play out is indeed how it is going to work. Maybe Trump will learn his mistake and change course, maybe republicans will lose congress, the voters will have a say.
Is 100 days too early to call his tariffs a mess? I don't think so but if in 2-3 years we see substantial benefits that outweigh the negatives I will freely admit Trump was right. In the meantime, the numbers aren't pointing in his favor.
What mistake?
If he doesn't have the authority, why are other nations cutting deals and meeting with him? Why don't they tell him to piss off cause what he's doing is illegal? That would be the easiest way to win a trade war, instead of increasing your countries tariffs in retaliation.
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What mistake?
If he doesn't have the authority, why are other nations cutting deals and meeting with him? Why don't they tell him to piss off cause what he's doing is illegal? That would be the easiest way to win a trade war, instead of increasing your countries tariffs in retaliation.
The mistake that his tariffs were going to make things better for Americans.
Why are other nations cutting deals and meeting with him? Thats like asking why the nerd gives his lunch money to the bully when he asks for money, it is minimizing the damage by cutting a deal because they can't stand up to us on an economic level. Keep in mind that at one point the Trump administration said the tariffs were not about negotiations
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The mistake that his tariffs were going to make things better for Americans.
Why are other nations cutting deals and meeting with him? Thats like asking why the nerd gives his lunch money to the bully when he asks for money, it is minimizing the damage by cutting a deal because they can't stand up to us on an economic level. Keep in mind that at one point the Trump administration said the tariffs were not about negotiations
Tell me you have selective memory and don't understand what's been going on, without stating it.
Wow, enter bad example of the day.
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More wins for the USA. MAGA
https://youtu.be/Uc9r1I1L-kY
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funny. A person who knows jack shit about basic economic principles gives a poor example of how tariffs work, starts a new thread about tariffs. Idiocracy.
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funny. A person who knows jack shit about basic economic principles gives a poor example of how tariffs work, starts a new thread about tariffs. Idiocracy.
Some people crave attention.
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Trumps tariffs are proving to be a disaster. I didn't support his tariff plans in the beginning but I figure he deserves the benefit of the doubt, maybe the author of the art of the deal knew what he was talking about and could actually make it work.
But Trump isn't making it work, he is just making a mess. He is making a mess of the markets and international trade, he is pissing off allies, and making impossible and unrealistic promises of jobs returning to America. He isn't on the same page as his administration, flip flops on the purposes of the tariffs, and flip flops on whether there are going to be exemptions. Trump even insulted his own trade agreement from his first term in office.
And to make things worse, his die hard supporters are never going to admit he messed things up because they will always find a different way to point to failure as a success. They will add another dimension to his chess board to justify the damage Trump is causing.
Hope that statement isn't too soft for your liking.
Maybe I'm not a die hard supporter, and I see the current effect of the tariffs. I still support them, and hope the effect turns around sooner rather than later. He wasn't wrong, other countries, have been tacking on tariffs. even our allies. President Trump just wants tariffs to be fair, or beneficial to Americans. Get rid of all tariffs. Problem solved. In the long run it may be the only time in History where our politicians took actions for us. They may work, they may not. I'm hoping for the best. At least The US isn't just laying on our backs letting the other countries screw us over little by little. My argument is the people trying to say because there isn't skyrocketing success the first day, they are saying how evil Trump is. The same people that were ok with 9% inflation, and rising inflation year after year. You gave Biden 4 years to prove his plan was a disaster, guess you need to give Trump a little time. I'm guessing until the mid terms.
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I never thought The Atlantic would publish the larger truth, but here it is.
Contrast economists’ disdain for tariffs with their enthusiasm for carbon taxes.
Taxing carbon would make many things more expensive for consumers, but
economists embrace it as an elegant way to reduce emissions. Imposing a cost
on a category of economic activity cannot be inherently foolish in one case
(tariffs) and brilliant in another (carbon taxes). The question must be whether
imposing that cost would be worth the benefits that it brings.
The second big trap economists fall into when discussing tariffs is an obsessive
and uncharacteristic focus on short-term consequences. In most situations,
economists encourage people to think about long-term impacts, taking into
account how the various affected parties will react to a policy and adjust over
time. Will a free-trade deal cause factories to close? Yes, economists concede—
but in the long run, they argue, the efficiency gains created by free trade will
lead to new and better jobs.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/09/economic-arguments-tariffs-trump/680015/
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His Tariffs are stupid. If he gave people time to move their factories that's one thing but the way he did it will only increase prices and cause shortages.
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Short term pain, long term gain. Trillions are already being invested in America.
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His Tariffs are stupid. If he gave people time to move their factories that's one thing but the way he did it will only increase prices and cause shortages.
You can't undo decades of trade imbalance in 3 months and with no growing pains. It took a very long time for manufacturers to move their businesses overseas. It'll take time to bring them back.
I see you like to use the word stupid. it's because you can't have an adult discussion whenever your TDS kicks in. Sad, really.
That's a personal problem for which you might want to seek professional help. Otherwise, you'll be sitting in the corner drooling on your diapers mumbling how you can't believe Trump's stupid ideas made America great again!
:crazy: :wacko: :geekdanc:
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China blinked, 40 billion in tariffs either removed or lowered. I didn't get to read the full article yet.
The media has to be very careful as well how they report stories. China is about saving face, so "hahah we got you" type headlines could derail things. But then again, the fake news isn't know for their honest titles either.
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China blinked, 40 billion in tariffs either removed or lowered. I didn't get to read the full article yet.
The media has to be very careful as well how they report stories. China is about saving face, so "hahah we got you" type headlines could derail things. But then again, the fake news isn't know for their honest titles either.
We are one step closer to libs waving the CCP flag and chanting "Hands Off China"
https://www.dailywire.com/news/china-feels-the-pain-exempts-40-billion-worth-of-u-s-imports-from-tariffs
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Tell me you have selective memory and don't understand what's been going on, without stating it.
Wow, enter bad example of the day.
Still waiting for a rebuttal
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Maybe I'm not a die hard supporter, and I see the current effect of the tariffs. I still support them, and hope the effect turns around sooner rather than later. He wasn't wrong, other countries, have been tacking on tariffs. even our allies. President Trump just wants tariffs to be fair, or beneficial to Americans. Get rid of all tariffs. Problem solved. In the long run it may be the only time in History where our politicians took actions for us. They may work, they may not. I'm hoping for the best. At least The US isn't just laying on our backs letting the other countries screw us over little by little. My argument is the people trying to say because there isn't skyrocketing success the first day, they are saying how evil Trump is. The same people that were ok with 9% inflation, and rising inflation year after year. You gave Biden 4 years to prove his plan was a disaster, guess you need to give Trump a little time. I'm guessing until the mid terms.
The problem is that Trump's claim that he just wants the tariffs to be fair is disingenuous. The rates he is placing on countries is not matching the tariffs those countries are placing on us. If only it were the case of a matching tariff for tariff I would not see so much a problem
I wouldn't say get rid of all tariffs, I think it is reasonable to have tariffs on some specific items to incentivize those items being made here. Case in point, so many medical goods were made in China and we faced shortages during Covid.
There is the whole issue of the president not having the power to place the tariffs either but that is separate from whether the tariffs are good or bad.
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You can't undo decades of trade imbalance in 3 months and with no growing pains. It took a very long time for manufacturers to move their businesses overseas. It'll take time to bring them back.
I see you like to use the word stupid. it's because you can't have an adult discussion whenever your TDS kicks in. Sad, really.
That's a personal problem for which you might want to seek professional help. Otherwise, you'll be sitting in the corner drooling on your diapers mumbling how you can't believe Trump's stupid ideas made America great again!
:crazy: :wacko: :geekdanc:
Are you incapable of letting a thread be cordial?
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Still waiting for a rebuttal
Still waiting for you to review threads since you forgot what you feel. That will answer you question.
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The problem is that Trump's claim that he just wants the tariffs to be fair is disingenuous. The rates he is placing on countries is not matching the tariffs those countries are placing on us. If only it were the case of a matching tariff for tariff I would not see so much a problem
I wouldn't say get rid of all tariffs, I think it is reasonable to have tariffs on some specific items to incentivize those items being made here. Case in point, so many medical goods were made in China and we faced shortages during Covid.
There is the whole issue of the president not having the power to place the tariffs either but that is separate from whether the tariffs are good or bad.
Doesn't understand "art of the deal".
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So if we minus China and Canada, a lot of countries have came to the bargaining table to ease the tariffs on both ends.
We use way more stuff from China than Canada and China has took the 1st step to making a deal, see above.
Canada, we don't really rely on them like how we rely on China. This is a separate issue as China has solidified their economic power for decades. At this point, Canada is just playing hard ball cause orange man bad. Proof, look at their travel advisory that has nothing to do with the normal weather, terrorist, viruses, etc...
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I would call this a win as most of the other countries are re-negotatiing. Most recent, India has offered to replace China. But that's trading 1 sweat shop for another.
This tariff war isn't an all or nothing as the fake news is making. They are printing headlines that China and Canada must be "won" or Trump man bad.
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Are you incapable of letting a thread be cordial?
How is calling something "stupid" cordial?
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Doesn't understand "art of the deal".
starts with literacy
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Are you incapable of letting a thread be cordial?
Says the adolescent who must always "hit back."
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More wins for America. MAGA
https://youtu.be/26xVa27Ovss
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Says the adolescent who must always "hit back."
Jaco808 didn't insult you or anyone here, you made it personal against him. I thought you commented to add something useful to conversations.
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Jaco808 didn't insult you or anyone here, you made it personal against him. I thought you commented to add something useful to conversations.
Why do you care what anyone says to someone else, Mr. Butt Inski?
You just want to start an argument, even when nobody is directing their comments to you.
As usual, you have nothing useful to offer. I guess Jaco can't stand up for himself, so it's up to you to argue for him? Or, are you two just a couple of tag-teaming trolls here to disrupt and argue?
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Deal reached with the UK. But OP will find a reason why it's bad.
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Libs: Trump can't do that.
Trump: Does it.
Libs: :crazy:
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Chuck Shummer tweeted how this deal will cost tax payers lots of money.
All coming from the guy who voted to send $200 billion to Ukraine already.
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Why do you care what anyone says to someone else, Mr. Butt Inski?
You just want to start an argument, even when nobody is directing their comments to you.
As usual, you have nothing useful to offer. I guess Jaco can't stand up for himself, so it's up to you to argue for him? Or, are you two just a couple of tag-teaming trolls here to disrupt and argue?
Just pointing out how it is you who take these arguments to the mud uselessly despite your claims otherwise.
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Just pointing out how it is you who take these arguments to the mud uselessly despite your claims otherwise.
Just pointing out how you didn't dispute a single thing i said. All you did was attempt to start another argument with me when it has nothing to do with you.
Too late to dispute my statements now. You've already lost.
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Haven't read it all yet, but looks like our tariff SME was wrong again.
China makes deal with the USA. The Swiss helped, which shows that the "supreme leader, king, god, etc..." Trump can seek outside assistance for help.
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From CNN -- the most trusted name in news (for most Liberal Democrats). Funny how they can't stop themselves from editorializing on every step of the negotiations as if just reporting the facts isn't ever good enough for them.
Parts of their 'report' remind me of The Ten Commandments, where no matter what Moses did to prove "his" God was the true God, there were those who cast a light of failure to weaken his support and gain power themselves.
How Trump managed to get his
much-needed China trade victory
President Donald Trump’s shock-and-awe tariff approach threatened to rupture
the global financial system and drive the US economy into recession. Nervous
about the prospect of empty store shelves and reignited inflation, Trump sent in
his even-keeled and professional negotiators to Geneva to snag a win.
The unexpectedly dramatic de-escalation with China laid the groundwork for a
growing series of trade negotiations that may produce a handful of rapid-fire, if
less than fulsome, bilateral agreements to reduce US trade deficits.
“We actually have a fresh start with China,” National Economic Council Director
Kevin Hassett said in an interview on CNN News Central. “That’s the way to think
about these negotiations.”
The decision by both the United States and China to drop stratospheric tariffs by
115 percentage points at the conclusion of two days of talks marked the most
significant development in a policy approach that has been equal parts maximalist
and messy. The de facto trade embargo between the world’s two largest economies
had produced domestic and global economic pressure that appeared on the brink
of calamity.
The de-escalation sent markets soaring across the world Monday, as it shed light
on a Trump administration’s strategy to maintain significantly higher tariffs while
incentivizing its largest trading partners to come to the table with offers.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/12/business/china-trade-deal-trump
https://youtu.be/pt9wNQd7LgY
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Just pointing out how you didn't dispute a single thing i said. All you did was attempt to start another argument with me when it has nothing to do with you.
Too late to dispute my statements now. You've already lost.
Why would I need to dispute something you said you prove you can't help but taking conversations to the mud? The accuracy of your statement is irrelevant to the way you respond to someone.
And no, I am not saying you are right here either. Trade imbalance doesn't need to be undone, I just didn't bother to comment because I agreed with your comment that there would be growing pains. Nice whataboutism attempt though, almost missed it.
The whole point wasn't to defeat your argument though, it was a simple reminder/suggestion that you keep conversations cordial. What you do with this suggestion is up to you.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiheiM8kZj8&t=184s
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiheiM8kZj8&t=184s
Didn't watch as OP"s track record of being wrong and posting wrong info is high.
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Didn't watch as OP"s track record of being wrong and posting wrong info is high.
Hahahaha, excuses to justify your echo chamber
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Hahahaha, excuses to justify your echo chamber
SWOOOSSSHHHHH. Thinks it's a justification. lol.