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Tools and Uses => Firearms and Accessories => Topic started by: xer 21 on January 09, 2013, 10:18:22 PM
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So, so far, i've only done rifle, but i wanted to get into pistols as well. while im going to wait until summer at the earliest (my class schedule wont allow me to do the registration processes, at the very least, not while the current rush is going on), I wanted to start researching. wanted to hear some suggestions.
well, im looking for a pistol, and have a couple of things to take into consideration. i have small hands, and most pistols are just too plain big for me to hold comfortably and still reach the mag release. just from handling airsoft versions, which are more or less accurate scale, fatty double stack designs like a Beretta 92, or larger sized pistols like 1911's are just a hassle for me to operate the controls.
the other thing is, i prefer the handle heavier firearms. im not a huge fan of super light. since i cant carry here anyways, i'd much prefer something with a bit more of a solid feel, so im not really interested in looking at guns that are slimmer, which i'd like, but are designed as carry pieces, and thus, very light, like a Kahr PM9 or something.
i'm looking for something in 9mm.
So, i looked around, and the best i could come up with where the Sig P239, the Steyr S and M series pistols, and the Walther P99 (despite being a thicker gun than the others, makes the list because the the ambi release negates the issues i have with other large pistols). Things like Glock variants and the Walther PPS also came up, but look a bit on the light side, imo.
any suggestions on other guns to look at guys? thoughts on the P239, the Steyr Pistols, and the P99?
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If you haven't taken it yet, the LIFE class lets you handle a HUGE variety of firearms. I only bring 4 handguns (all I have), but a lot of the other instructors bring 7-10 guns each. Nice to get a feel for them all.
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If you haven't taken it yet, the LIFE class lets you handle a HUGE variety of firearms. I only bring 4 handguns (all I have), but a lot of the other instructors bring 7-10 guns each. Nice to get a feel for them all.
yeah, i havent taken a class yet. i heard about the life classes. still not sure when im going to go get the pistol class i need.
the only thing im totally sure of is, no 1911 for me. i've used one for airsoft, and the ergonomics were not designed for my hands, for sure.
i just was wondering if anyone had any suggestions to look for, so i can go stop at OGC or something when i have free time and check out a few.
im in no rush anyways, wont be looking to purchase for at least 3 months.
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Wish I could help ya...I have a 1911, Glock 19 (blocky to my hands), and two revolvers.
All I can say is stay away from the Sig Mosquito!
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walther ppq :thumbsup:
loving mine. its similar to the p99as model. it has a long ambi paddle release so almost everyone that picks it up can drop the mags without adjusting your grip, if you think that might be an issue.
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Wish I could help ya...I have a 1911, Glock 19 (blocky to my hands), and two revolvers.
All I can say is stay away from the Sig Mosquito!
haha. well, looking for 9mm anyways, so i guess that seals the deal on the mosquito!
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H & K P30
changeable sides AND backstraps, plus contoured grip
but i'm biased
:)
So, so far, i've only done rifle, but i wanted to get into pistols as well. while im going to wait until summer at the earliest (my class schedule wont allow me to do the registration processes, at the very least, not while the current rush is going on), I wanted to start researching. wanted to hear some suggestions.
well, im looking for a pistol, and have a couple of things to take into consideration. i have small hands, and most pistols are just too plain big for me to hold comfortably and still reach the mag release. just from handling airsoft versions, which are more or less accurate scale, fatty double stack designs like a Beretta 92, or larger sized pistols like 1911's are just a hassle for me to operate the controls.
the other thing is, i prefer the handle heavier firearms. im not a huge fan of super light. since i cant carry here anyways, i'd much prefer something with a bit more of a solid feel, so im not really interested in looking at guns that are slimmer, which i'd like, but are designed as carry pieces, and thus, very light, like a Kahr PM9 or something.
i'm looking for something in 9mm.
So, i looked around, and the best i could come up with where the Sig P239, the Steyr S and M series pistols, and the Walther P99 (despite being a thicker gun than the others, makes the list because the the ambi release negates the issues i have with other large pistols). Things like Glock variants and the Walther PPS also came up, but look a bit on the light side, imo.
any suggestions on other guns to look at guys? thoughts on the P239, the Steyr Pistols, and the P99?
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have heard bad things about the SIG P250 also
haha. well, looking for 9mm anyways, so i guess that seals the deal on the mosquito!
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and it's ambi
H & K P30
changeable sides AND backstraps, plus contoured grip
but i'm biased
:)
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have heard bad things about the SIG P250 also
yeah same. wasnt even looking into it, honestly.
but its a brand new design, so i expected it to have problems.
H & K P30
changeable sides AND backstraps, plus contoured grip
but i'm biased
:)
thanks for the suggestion, i actually knew nothing of this pistol. it looks like its a little on the large side grip wise, but the ambi mag release looks like that will negate that issue. looks like a nice pistol.
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Nevermind...
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Nevermind...
huh?
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My choices
Walther PPQ or P99
HK P30
SIG 2022 or SIG 225
S&W V9DE
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My choices
Walther PPQ or P99
HK P30
SIG 2022 or SIG 225
S&W V9DE
thanks for the reqs.
looks like the P30 and the PPQ come highly recommended.
however, i cant find anything online on the last one you listed.
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Oops up too late. S&W SD9VE
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I love glocks but the grip is on the bigger side. my buddy shoots a hk p30 and the grip on that is way more comfortable than my glocks. plus he's a lefty and likes all the ambi controls. bad thing is, p30 mags cost 50 bucks ea.
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yeah hk mags are really pricey
but so are the guns
very well built, though
not for everyone when you think that glocks and m&ps are way cheaper (almost half the price)
I love glocks but the grip is on the bigger side. my buddy shoots a hk p30 and the grip on that is way more comfortable than my glocks. plus he's a lefty and likes all the ambi controls. bad thing is, p30 mags cost 50 bucks ea.
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Like SpeedTek said, the Sig P225 or you can also check out the P239. Both great single stack guns.
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more biased people
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/172593-wow-does-p30-have-comfortable-grip-what.html?daysprune=1 (http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/172593-wow-does-p30-have-comfortable-grip-what.html?daysprune=1)
yeah hk mags are really pricey
but so are the guns
very well built, though
not for everyone when you think that glocks and m&ps are way cheaper (almost half the price)
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I have small hands also.
But hand size is only a small part of the equation. Here are the hard questions you have to ask yourself. Be realistic.
1- What do you want to do with it? Paper punching? Competition? Defensive?
2-How often do you want to shoot it?
3-How much can you afford to feed it? (dollars)
4-How serious are you about learning to shoot (pistol) well?
5- How much do you want to spend for a pistol?
My immediate recommendation is to find someone (a friend) with a variety of pistols who is willing to let you try them.
Don't be so quick to rule out any gun or caliber because your notion of what might be good could be thrown out the window once you get your hands on a real gun.
In general, newbies get sucked into current hype easily. I did many years ago when I was a newbie. Keep an open mind.
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You really should start with a .22. That said: H&K P7. Yes, they're expensive, but they're all steel, accurate, reliable, and have a really good trigger.
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I have small hands also.
But hand size is only a small part of the equation. Here are the hard questions you have to ask yourself. Be realistic.
1- What do you want to do with it? Paper punching? Competition? Defensive?
2-How often do you want to shoot it?
3-How much can you afford to feed it? (dollars)
4-How serious are you about learning to shoot (pistol) well?
5- How much do you want to spend for a pistol?
My immediate recommendation is to find someone (a friend) with a variety of pistols who is willing to let you try them.
Don't be so quick to rule out any gun or caliber because your notion of what might be good could be thrown out the window once you get your hands on a real gun.
In general, newbies get sucked into current hype easily. I did many years ago when I was a newbie. Keep an open mind.
i'd like to to shoot it a fair amount. i can afford buy a case or so a year. it would primarily be a range gun, but secondarily for home defense.
of course i'd like to learn to shoot well, but at the moment, i dont have an interest in getting to a competitive level.
and money wise? i'd prefer not to break 8-900. i could go higher, seeing as im not buying now, but i'd say 800 is a flexible starting point.
i personally just also want something that i can hold onto for a while. i dont plan on making a purchase just to sell it a couple years later.
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You really should start with a .22. That said: H&K P7. Yes, they're expensive, but they're all steel, accurate, reliable, and have a really good trigger.
thanks for the suggestions.
im might hold off on the .22 though, just because my father is in the market for a .22 pistol in the next couple of months, so i'll have ample opportunity to shoot one, since we generally go to the range together.
not sure what he's getting though.
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M&P 9, xd9, or HK P30. The M&P is much cheaper than the HK and a great pistol. It has a low bore axis and great grip angle. I have the 9mm and love it. I have or had a G19 (sold after getting M&P), sig 239, 1911 9mm with slim grips and a bunch of other stuff. The M&P with the small backstrap wins hands down for small hands/short fingers without going into pistols like kahr's. If you hold one in a shop, it will have the medium grip on it, so keep that in mind. The P30 is nice, but $$.
The M&P mag release is ambi. I'm right handed and have the release button set up as if I was lefty. I hit the mag release with my trigger finger or middle finger and it works out so that I don't need to reach it with my thumb. Some people put a trigger kit in their M&P, but I think the stock trigger is fine as is and prefer it over the glock trigger.
Trust me on this one, M&P :thumbsup:
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i'd like to to shoot it a fair amount. i can afford buy a case or so a year. it would primarily be a range gun, but secondarily for home defense.
of course i'd like to learn to shoot well, but at the moment, i dont have an interest in getting to a competitive level.
and money wise? i'd prefer not to break 8-900. i could go higher, seeing as im not buying now, but i'd say 800 is a flexible starting point.
i personally just also want something that i can hold onto for a while. i dont plan on making a purchase just to sell it a couple years later.
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Good answers...
By the way, have you EVER shot ANY handgun before? If so what did you try?
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Here is a link where you can get specifics and comparisons of various handguns which may be helpful for you. BTW....recently sold a CS45 (pistol depicted in the link) which is a decent pistol but I could say that about many handguns.
http://www.genitron.com/Handgun/Smith-Wesson/Pistol/CS45-(Chiefs-Special)/45-Auto/Variant-1 (http://www.genitron.com/Handgun/Smith-Wesson/Pistol/CS45-(Chiefs-Special)/45-Auto/Variant-1)
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P30 is out then if your budget is 8-900
check out the sig 225 when it comes out
but i would be wary of sig qc issues
i'd like to to shoot it a fair amount. i can afford buy a case or so a year. it would primarily be a range gun, but secondarily for home defense.
of course i'd like to learn to shoot well, but at the moment, i dont have an interest in getting to a competitive level.
and money wise? i'd prefer not to break 8-900. i could go higher, seeing as im not buying now, but i'd say 800 is a flexible starting point.
i personally just also want something that i can hold onto for a while. i dont plan on making a purchase just to sell it a couple years later.
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on a related note, and not sure if i should make a new thread, but, which is the best psitol class to take that would let me try out the most? OGC? LIFE? others?
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Good answers...
By the way, have you EVER shot ANY handgun before? If so what did you try?
just a P22, briefly. all my other experience has been with airsoft gas pistols, so while im familiar with some of the controls and ergonomics of some models, i've pretty much no real trigger time behind a pistol as of yet.
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on a related note, and not sure if i should make a new thread, but, which is the best psitol class to take that would let me try out the most? OGC? LIFE? others?
PM Funtimes and see how many guns HDF shoots.
Even if you take a class other than LIFE, at the HRA fun shoots, almost anyone will be down to let you fire a few rounds through their guns. I'd imagine the HDF shoots would be the same.
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PM Funtimes and see how many guns HDF shoots.
Even if you take a class other than LIFE, at the HRA fun shoots, almost anyone will be down to let you fire a few rounds through their guns. I'd imagine the HDF shoots would be the same.
thanks.
so HDF offers a class too?
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thanks.
so HDF offers a class too?
Yessir
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Ah jumped in late to this conversation a bit late lol. Most things have already been addressed by other members. Best bet would be to either come to the HDF/HRA Fun Shoots or if you know anybody that owns a few to try to see if they'll go with you so you can try theirs out. I usually ask them what their purpose is and try to go from there. You mentioned primarily range shooting the secondary home defense. Especially because you mentioned home defense I really advocate any defensive/dynamic handgun courses.
Fortunately we do not have so many violent crimes that involve home defense (wish Hawaii had low crimes in the first place), but just the mindset that you only have a few seconds to react, you want to make sure that your reaction is 2nd nature but rational. So many times we've already heard in the news about incompetent CCW holders on the mainland, especially that one guy whom ran to a scene and arrived with his handgun upholstered and safety off and almost shot the guy that had originally subdued the shooter and took his gun. Now a good CCW holder would have searched and assessed the situation before even drawing there firearm. Since the law doesn't work in our favor here, you have to ensure that when you have a body alarm response and react to an aggressor, you know each round you send doesn't hit any bystanders whether it be someone in another room, or a neighbor... but of course call HPD first.
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well, i MAY be putting this pistol purchase off.
i just might be able to strike a really nice deal on an M1A. MAYBE. its like, a 10% chance, but still get chance right?
but if i get it, obviously no budget on the pistol. but the deal would be too good to pass up.