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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: zippz on January 09, 2013, 10:36:26 PM
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I was thinking how most of our representatives are anti-gun, but have probably never held a gun in their lives. Do you think inviting them to a range day at Koko Head to fire guns and meet the people there can change their mind or at least pull them a little to the right?
Has this been done before?
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If it can be arranged, I volunteer all my working firearms to be used!
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i would too.
but they better bring their own ammo!
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i would too.
but they better bring their own ammo!
Yeah, that. I can't afford ammo for me let alone someone who may just have fun then say they felt how "powerful" those guns are and ban them.
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Yeah, that. I can't afford ammo for me let alone someone who may just have fun then say they felt how "powerful" those guns are and ban them.
with that in mind, definitely make sure they got good muffs so they cant hear the reports ;D
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I think it would be a good idea. The best point would be to show them that it is not that easy to hit a target like in the movies.
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A great idea !! I'd be willing to pitch in a few buck$ to help pay for the ammo. Who will volunteer to be treasurer???
Start them off with .22 calibre target guns and work up gradually to higher calibres.
Make sure they understand that... There on the range, surrounded by folks with loaded guns in their hands... they are safer than they will be driving home afterwards.
aloha,
Ed
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Going to take alot of planning since we want to put on a good show for them. Purpose would be to introduce them to the sport, meet the people who go there, dispel any myths they have, and have a good time. Not planning any legal or political discussion (2a, legal force, etc) to keep it clean and upbeat.
Basically to show them that shooting is a fun activity, legitimate sport and past time, and that we are not murderers.
I'll put a plan together, and it's going to be further down the road (not sure how busy a legislator is during the season). Going to require equipment, ammo, volunteers, range use, HRA/HDF and other club support, advertising, citizens encouraging their reps to participate, and other stuff I need to think of.
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Set up something like the shooting fair for our elected officials? I would love to help but I'm not as knowledgeable as a lot of the senior members here. Maybe I can help with directing parking or something. It will probably require additional security from HPD as well.
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I think it would be a good idea. The best point would be to show them that it is not that easy to hit a target like in the movies.
i'd purposely screw up the sights of my gun so that they cant even get on paper at 25 yards.
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i'd purposely screw up the sights of my gun so that they cant even get on paper at 25 yards.
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Make sure they understand that... There on the range, surrounded by folks with loaded guns in their hands... they are safer than they will be driving home afterwards.
Shooting, like flying an airplane, is much safer than the ride there. There are a few exceptions, but those can be avoided with proper training by everyone. Still, when something goes wrong, it can go wrong fast and very badly. A good idea would be to have some others shooting along with them. We need to demonstrate that we ARE trained and we ARE safe. We are NOT trigger-happy whackjobs.
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:rofl:
Shooting, like flying an airplane, is much safer than the ride there. There are a few exceptions, but those can be avoided with proper training by everyone. Still, when something goes wrong, it can go wrong fast and very badly. A good idea would be to have some others shooting along with them. We need to demonstrate that we ARE trained and we ARE safe. We are NOT trigger-happy whackjobs.
Gonna take some brave souls to be next to them!! Nah as long as they are safe.
They probably gonna feel intimidated sitting at the bench with 20 people watching them and recording it.
Im down to volunteer my time and guns and whatever is needed.
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with that in mind, definitely make sure they got good muffs ;D
Is it only going to be women?
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Is it only going to be women?
ughhh, just thought of crazy maize.
not cool.
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Yeah, that. I can't afford ammo for me let alone someone who may just have fun then say they felt how "powerful" those guns are and ban them.
I'll put that in my plan...shoot plenty 22lr
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i'd purposely screw up the sights of my gun so that they cant even get on paper at 25 yards.
Or better yet, blanks.
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LIFE, HRA, and HDF all as far I know, have standing policies that we will train and teach any member of the legislature for free.
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ughhh, just thought of crazy maize.
not cool.
Every one except crazy mazie! It is illegal to allow a mentally disturbed person access to firearms.
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LIFE and HRA have both done this, sending invitations to politicians. Which is not to say that the attempt should not be repeated. We've had a few take us up on the offers, but so far, no one from the 'anti' camp.
Still, I think it is a great idea, both for each of us as individuals, and for a representative group from the forum, to extend offers. Hell, I wrote to then-President-elect Obama and invited him out! I should renew that offer since he won his second term.
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How about inviting them to a free "firearm safety class" with some range time afterwards... If this could be done in a military base, the antis might be more interested to go.
Rubbing elbows with the military seems to be something politicians like doing. Kokohead is too far... I was gonna suggest Honolulu Firearms Range but $$$.
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I like the suggestions some of you have made.
I teach a safety class at diamond head/koko head on the weekends, so a class would be possible. I'm wondering if it would be too big of a leap for an anti-gunner to handle. Also it would take up a lot of their time. On the plus side, they would know that we are safe in handling our firearms and get more involved.
As far as a range day, I'm thinking of a few scenarios but getting the anti gunners out is going to be a problem:
1. Public Range Day - bring a group of legislatures out on a weekend.
+ Meet other shooters
+ Easier to coordinate -do everything at once, easier to get volunteers, and ranges are already open
+ Legislators may feel better in a group
+ May be able to get gun stores/clubs to help provide resources
- Ranges are busy
- Anti-gunners may not want to be seen in public/media with a gun
2. Private Range Day - Conduct when ranges are normally closed (weekday/holiday)
+ Easy to coordinate - do everything at once
+ Anti-gunners may feel more secure not being publicy seen
+ Ranges are not busy
+ May be able to get gun stores/clubs to help provide resources
- Not sure if range can be open on a non-public day, also need range staff
- Legislators not able to meet other shooters
3. Individual Range Day - Legislators are invited by a citizen in their district to go to the range individually.
+ Easy to coordinate, citizen plans everything.
+ Ranges already open, no range requests needed.
+ Anti-gunners may feel secure by not drawing attention to themselves
+ More personalized attention
+ Legislator gets to meet other shooters
- Need to find a citizen from each district
- May not be able to get gun stores/clubs to help provide resources
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As mentioned earlier, LIFE has a standing policy that all legislators can take our regular class for free. And, a handful have taken us up on that.
That being said, if someone wants to organize it, I will offer the services of LIFE instructors, range time, ammo, etc. to facilitate such an event. You contact the legislators, arrange a time (provided to me with enough advanced notice to make the necessary arrangements...) and essentially LIFE will give them a class. In the alternative, just invite them to any of our regularly scheduled classes and we'll accommodate them.
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Is it a good idea to add them to the HRA mailing list, unsolicited I mean?
Do you think it would be a good idea for all our legislators to be mailed a copy of the HRA newsletters so they can see the regular activities that go on with the community?
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Is it a good idea to add them to the HRA mailing list, unsolicited I mean?
Do you think it would be a good idea for all our legislators to be mailed a copy of the HRA newsletters so they can see the regular activities that go on with the community?
To comply with anti-spam laws, you'd have to set up an "Opt out" ability with unsolicited e-mail....Additional costs would be incurred to mail out the newsletters.....an expense and time commitment that HRA cannot accommodate currently. But, if they ask for it, I'll make sure it gets sent to them....
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As mentioned earlier, LIFE has a standing policy that all legislators can take our regular class for free. And, a handful have taken us up on that.
That being said, if someone wants to organize it, I will offer the services of LIFE instructors, range time, ammo, etc. to facilitate such an event. You contact the legislators, arrange a time (provided to me with enough advanced notice to make the necessary arrangements...) and essentially LIFE will give them a class. In the alternative, just invite them to any of our regularly scheduled classes and we'll accommodate them.
it might be good to have another politician to set it up. I wouldn't solicit it. I'd recommend taking up an offering and provide the weapons and ammo free to them. If any of you ever dealt with a anti gun person and you convinced them to come out and shoot, it really changes their minds. But be prepared some of them may not want to admit it because of political reasons.
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it might be good to have another politician to set it up. I wouldn't solicit it. I'd recommend taking up an offering and provide the weapons and ammo free to them. If any of you ever dealt with a anti gun person and you convinced them to come out and shoot, it really changes their minds. But be prepared some of them may not want to admit it because of political reasons.
We already have a few legislators who provide our message offering the free classes to their peers.....and as I said, it's free...we provide the firearms, ammo, and venue.
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