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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: Jimco9 on October 04, 2025, 06:44:15 PM
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I think it’s important that when we hear about all the places that are affected by the shutdown on the news they should add what our senators voted on the matter. Having written to both several times from gun laws to voter identification, every time I get the same thing. I will vote against anything Trump wants. Schatz said that since he was oversight for USAID he would not vote yes for any of his cabinet. When I asked if he wanted him …..crickets. This is not government. It’s romper room grade school stupidity. The government is shut down because our senators want citizens to pay for illegal alien’s healthcare. When we are paying through the nose for our own. When will we figure out that the democrat party is not what it was. No longer is it the working class party. When I found out that we taxpayers are paying for illegal aliens abortions through planned parenthood I QUIT VOTING DEM. I don’t hate anyone but I don’t think men should be competing with women. I don’t think gay pride should be a month long thing and veterans is one day. I hope others will figure out what has happened to the democrat party. I’m tired of voting for the person who I dislike the least. And if green has his way no one will be able to hunt here because they won’t have any rifles. Sure we can us bows and arrows. Is that what you want. Bow season only? Because it’s coming soon to an island near you.
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I think it’s important that when we hear about all the places that are affected by the shutdown on the news they should add what our senators voted on the matter. Having written to both several times from gun laws to voter identification, every time I get the same thing. I will vote against anything Trump wants. Schatz said that since he was oversight for USAID he would not vote yes for any of his cabinet. When I asked if he wanted him …..crickets. This is not government. It’s romper room grade school stupidity. The government is shut down because our senators want citizens to pay for illegal alien’s healthcare. When we are paying through the nose for our own. When will we figure out that the democrat party is not what it was. No longer is it the working class party. When I found out that we taxpayers are paying for illegal aliens abortions through planned parenthood I QUIT VOTING DEM. I don’t hate anyone but I don’t think men should be competing with women. I don’t think gay pride should be a month long thing and veterans is one day. I hope others will figure out what has happened to the democrat party. I’m tired of voting for the person who I dislike the least. And if green has his way no one will be able to hunt here because they won’t have any rifles. Sure we can us bows and arrows. Is that what you want. Bow season only? Because it’s coming soon to an island near you.
We all feel the same way, but it’s seems the country itself is finally beginning to turn.
More and more people seem to be waking up to what we’ve all known for years. I don’t believe they are for turning back: There is no future for Hawaii in particular, in relenting. The economy is totally breaking down here, and people know it.
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For decades we have had politicians from both sides of the aisle come in, shoot the shit, made their millions, then left while other snakes took their places.
Rinse and repeat and slowly but surely our country, it's citizens, and the fabric that has made our country great have gone to shit.
Yes, people have realized and come to their senses, but I believe things will continue to spiral for the worst before it starts to get better.
The reason being is because the woke kool-aid and the socialist/communist doctrine that have been drummed into people's brains is permanent. The poison is irreversible.
And these people are realizing that their agenda and their cause is in jeophardy.
So now they intend to drag everyone and everything down with them.
The only way to fix this dilemma is to hold the line until these people destroy themselves.
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They are going to do whatever it takes to hold on to their power. Watch out for major disruptions.
https://youtu.be/7uC8-ubcPDM
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One of the things that always bothered me about government shutdowns is the workers wind up going home and eventually get paid for that time off.
When the government shuts down, many federal workers go
without paychecks, whether they are deemed essential and
required to show up for work or whether they're furloughed for
the duration of the shutdown.
Such employees are by law entitled to back pay once a funding
agreement is reached...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/government-shutdown-contract-worker-back-pay/
Contractors who work for the government are different. There's no guarantee the government will provide payment for work performed during the shutdown. Those companies and individuals have to decide if they are willing to work "at risk," and hope if they do work during the shutdown, that the funding will be there to provide backpay.
So, one would think a shutdown would save all that labor cost during the shutdown, when that's just not the case. Failing to pass a budget actually costs more in taxes because of the overhead involved in the finance and contract departments.
If trump follows through with the additional layoffs he spoke of, maybe in this particular case, the shutdown will actually save taxpayers some money.
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One of the things that always bothered me about government shutdowns is the workers wind up going home and eventually get paid for that time off
Yeah, that always bothered me too.
Might as well have them work if their going to get paid anyway.
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Yeah, that always bothered me too.
Might as well have them work if their going to get paid anyway.
Require them to work since they are going to get paid anyway. And if they don't agree or like it, well there's the door and don't let it hit you in the ass on your way out.
So many areas in government that is wasteful, unproductive, and downright stupid (this one takes the cake.....). I recall reading or noting someone say government shut-downs are like paid vacations for the federal workers. :grrr:
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Require them to work since they are going to get paid anyway. And if they don't agree or like it, well there's the door and don't let it hit you in the ass on your way out.
So many areas in government that is wasteful, unproductive, and downright stupid (this one takes the cake.....). I recall reading or noting someone say government shut-downs are like paid vacations for the federal workers. :grrr:
** It is, especially if the employee has a spouse working in the private sector. The household still has money coming in to take care of at least some monthly bills. The furloughed employees should have some some savings to use. They can also request a loan from their retirement savings which won't trigger a tax penalty under these and other circumstances. They can also inform their mortgage lenders and other creditors of their situation. Normally they can skip a couple of months without a late fee since the creditors know the money will arrive when the government opens again. If nothing else, a home equity loan might be the easiest for home-owning federal workers being furloughed.
Prepare for the dozen or so interviews with employees not being paid claiming they are going to lose their homes, can't make their car payments, can't afford to let their kids attend private school, and don't qualify for government food stamps yet. It's all a charade meant to create hostility toward the Republicans and Trump specifically for "forcing" a shutdown.
How is paying for millions of illegal aliens' healthcare helping America's working class -- unless you subscribe to the belief that illegals are counted as Americans? That's how the Democrats in DC are trying to sell it. BTW, Congress is still getting their paychecks regardless of how many "working class Americans" aren't.
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The story was on Civil Beat a while back about how federal employees are responsible for something like 20% of our hotel capacity.
It's like a hidden subsidy for our tourist market. This could be very bad for business if it drags on long enough.
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The story was on Civil Beat a while back about how federal employees are responsible for something like 20% of our hotel capacity.
It's like a hidden subsidy for our tourist market. This could be very bad for business if it drags on long enough.
Was that only federal employees, or anyone traveling on federal funding? From my quick search, there are no breakouts for federal employees specifically. The only data is for federally funded travel, which includes military, military families, government employees, contractors working for the government, and so on.
Regardless, if travel is put on hold for any nonessential trips during the shutdown, it could have a significant impact in the short term. Long term, I don't see the impact being that bad.
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Was that only federal employees, or anyone traveling on federal funding? From my quick search, there are no breakouts for federal employees specifically. The only data is for federally funded travel, which includes military, military families, government employees, contractors working for the government, and so on.
Regardless, if travel is put on hold for any nonessential trips during the shutdown, it could have a significant impact in the short term. Long term, I don't see the impact being that bad.
You are correct. It was federal funding. Could make a temporary impact depending on how long it lasts, but if Trump chooses the nuclear option for a significant reduction in the federal workforce then that would have a much longer lasting effect.
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Yeah, that always bothered me too.
Might as well have them work if their going to get paid anyway.
I do
The ones that don’t, and are at home furlough, really should be evaluated if they are truly needed. What exactly is our tax dollars paying for if we don’t even see an impact when they are furloughed.
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I do
The ones that don’t, and are at home furlough, really should be evaluated if they are truly needed. What exactly is our tax dollars paying for if we don’t even see an impact when they are furloughed.
You're describing what DOGE just did for DC federal workers.
That process is continuing now that the shutdown gives Trump additional powers to get rid of unnecessary workers.
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https://youtu.be/hNuu9CpdjIo
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https://youtu.be/hNuu9CpdjIo
I heard that Elon actually did this. Gave employees like 5 minutes to tell him directly what they do. He worked like 18hrs a day or something to do these interviews.
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I believe I already mentioned, banks, creditors and services like utilities understand the furloughed employees will be getting paid for the time they didn't work once the shutdown ends. They also have other incomes in the household, savings, retirement loans, and leave they can sell back to pay the bills.
I just got a text from HECO that supports my comment. Anyone suffering a hardship due to the shutdown can contact the company for alternative options.
They have available no interest payment options where they roll up all your missed payments and spread them out over 6 months. Once you get your backpay, you can either pay off the missed payments and resume your normal monthly billing, or you can pay over the time period they offer you that normal monthly payment plus 1/6th of the outstanding amount without interest or late fees.
That's just one example of how a gov't shutdown might be an inconvenience for those living paycheck-to-paycheck, but everyone knows you'll get paid eventually and most are willing to provide accommodations.
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everyone knows you'll get paid eventually
Maybe. Maybe not.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/furlough-backpay-not-automatic-instead-congress-must-authorize-leaked-wh-memo
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Maybe. Maybe not.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/furlough-backpay-not-automatic-instead-congress-must-authorize-leaked-wh-memo
More 4D Chess.
The Democrats are the ones holding out for illegal aliens' healthcare coverage. if they did it without realizing the furloughed employees might not get paid, who's going to get blamed? Not the ones who don't want taxpayers to fund healthcare for illegals when so many citizens are struggling to pay for it or go without any coverage.
It's a viable scenario to believe the WH leaked the memo on purpose to force the Democrat Senators into a corner.
"This would not have happened if Democrats voted for the clean CR," a senior administration official told the outlet.
:thumbsup: :geekdanc: :worship:
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More 4D Chess.
The Democrats are the ones holding out for illegal aliens' healthcare coverage. if they did it without realizing the furloughed employees might not get paid, who's going to get blamed? Not the ones who don't want taxpayers to fund healthcare for illegals when so many citizens are struggling to pay for it or go without any coverage.
It's a viable scenario to believe the WH leaked the memo on purpose to force the Democrat Senators into a corner.
"This would not have happened if Democrats voted for the clean CR," a senior administration official told the outlet.
:thumbsup: :geekdanc: :worship:
Yes! - he’s totally outmaneuvered them on this. I thought his first term was awful, but he learned pretty much everything about how DC and their grift up there works, and now he’s buggering them coming and going, and even has plenty of time left over to troll them into madness …
:popcorn:
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It’s easy to outmaneuver those who have lost their grip on reality.
That’s why the government spends so much on the DOE even though the results keep getting worse. The whole point is to create a false reality so that we can’t understand where the pain is coming from as they experiment on us like Fauccis beagles.
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It’s not difficult to outmaneuver those who have lost their grip on reality.
Well, yeah, no way to argue that one … but
why are still above ground though?
That’s what I want to know.
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Well, yeah, no way to argue that one … but
why are still above ground though?
That’s what I want to know.
https://youtu.be/jDwbDM6q9Os
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https://youtu.be/jDwbDM6q9Os
Certainly goes a long way in explaining why I’m still here.
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Our DC reps arehitting hard and blaming the GOP and how they want to increase your medical insurance. But same or similar ones were silent on the ACA>
Pre ACA, I was paying $78/mo with Kaiser for 3 years straight. Then once the ACA passed, I lost my plan and my premium increased to $280. Then the following year it went up to $600+.
When Barry said "your premiums wont go up", I expect 10% a year or so due to inflation like stuff. But this increase wasn't it.
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Our DC reps arehitting hard and blaming the GOP and how they want to increase your medical insurance. But same or similar ones were silent on the ACA>
Pre ACA, I was paying $78/mo with Kaiser for 3 years straight. Then once the ACA passed, I lost my plan and my premium increased to $280. Then the following year it went up to $600+.
When Barry said "your premiums wont go up", I expect 10% a year or so due to inflation like stuff. But this increase wasn't it.
Obamacare is a disaster here.
If you are close to retirement age, you will pay full freight premiums - comparable or higher than full coverage employer plan premiums - but with coverage equivalent to a high deductible catastrophic plan.
You’re really looking at about $1000/month, and they own your ass tax-wise. Must file jointly if married, must estimate your future income precisely, lest you get a nasty surprise at tax time.
All because they limit to only local providers (HMSA / Kaiser).
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In my book Obama is an asshole. Watch Hakeem Jeffries. He mimicks how Obama talks and got Obama's facial expressions down to science.
He's practicing. For nothing.
Obamacare is BS. So is Hakeem Jeffries.
So is their rhetoric about how they care for the American people. All BS.
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The Democratic Party is the
party of the corporate elite. We cannot disassemble their influence networks fast enough.
Never be swayed by their arguments about fairness and rule of law.
They consider your belief in that stuff to be a weakness.
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The Democratic Party is the
party of the corporate elite. We cannot disassemble their influence networks fast enough.
Never be swayed by their arguments about fairness and rule of law.
They consider your belief in that stuff to be a weakness.
If Satan got around to setting up his own political party, how could it possibly be any different from the Democrat party of today? How?
That’s who we’re fighting.
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Our DC reps arehitting hard and blaming the GOP and how they want to increase your medical insurance. But same or similar ones were silent on the ACA>
Pre ACA, I was paying $78/mo with Kaiser for 3 years straight. Then once the ACA passed, I lost my plan and my premium increased to $280. Then the following year it went up to $600+.
When Barry said "your premiums wont go up", I expect 10% a year or so due to inflation like stuff. But this increase wasn't it.
Barrack Hussein Obama lied to the American public. He swore (1) you can keep your plan and/or doctor if you want to , and (2) premiums would not go up -- that they would go down $2,600 for most families.
Obama gave an interview near the end of his presidency after the truth of Obamacare was too horrible to ignore.
YT isn't readily showing that interview for obvious reasons -- assuming it exists any longer. However, this is basically his response to being accused of lying about saving $2,600 a year per family on premiums and about being able to keep a plan or doctor if you like them:
https://youtu.be/MYQCb3qrBpo
He said in general that if you believed what he said, then YOU didn't do your homework. It's your fault he was able to get away with lying, so don't point fingers at Obama!
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Barrack Hussein Obama lied to the American public. He swore (1) you can keep your plan and/or doctor if you want to , and (2) premiums would not go up -- that they would go down $2,600 for most families.
Obama gave an interview near the end of his presidency after the truth of Obamacare was too horrible to ignore.
YT isn't readily showing that interview for obvious reasons -- assuming it exists any longer. However, this is basically his response to being accused of lying about saving $2,600 a year per family on premiums and about being able to keep a plan or doctor if you like them:
https://youtu.be/MYQCb3qrBpo
He said in general that if you believed what he said, then YOU didn't do your homework. It's your fault he was able to get away with lying, so don't point fingers at Obama!
Nice clip, very apropos.
After all, Obama is a Sith …
I mean a gay Sith.
(https://lh5.ggpht.com/-Mx2CB-2Rvys/VPHs7eWSqFI/AAAAAAABTQk/Iq0tBtUQivY/obama-sith-lord_thumb%25255B8%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800)
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That damn kenyan never sat well with me.
Even when Hawaii was all up and singing praises for the "hawaii boy" that will be president.
hawaii boi my ass.
Never cared a rat's ass for hawaii's people. Knew they would never help him get to where he wants to be. So he goes to Illinois where people of his own kind will help him get there.
Hell in my opinion if he wasn't such a political correctness hypocrite he would've had a white blonde trophy nympho for a wife instead of big mike.
Big mike was only for show.
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Poll shows one-third of voters are
unaware of the government shutdown
WASHINGTON (TNND) — A new poll reveals only 6% of voters say
they're greatly impacted by the government shutdown, with nearly a
third who don't even know there is one.
https://news4sanantonio.com/news/nation-world/poll-shows-one-third-of-voters-are-unaware-of-the-government-shutdown-healthcare-obama-care-affordable-care-act-medical-insurance-president-donald-trump-chuck-schumer-hakeem-jeffries-republicans-democrats
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Now that the Winter holidays are fast approaching, and the uncertainty with the SNAP/EBT benefits after Nov 1, Congress is running options up the flagpole to see what's possible.
The GOP is considering 2 longer term CSRs (continued spending resolutions) that maintain the government spending at last year's levels. One idea is to set the CRS to pay for government through end of Jan 2026, but the one they would really like is to fund government without spending increases through Dec 1, 2026.
Democrats, however, are trying to reprise the disastrous omnibus spending bill tactic after jamming through a short-term CSR.
Too bad all that "extra" money we had was spent on student loan forgiveness, including grads who are doing well financially and don't need it.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5567999-gop-government-funding-extension-shutdown/
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Many of the food trucks stopped coming to Pearl Harbor shipyard. I guess they saw a decline in purchasing.
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Many of the food trucks stopped coming to Pearl Harbor shipyard. I guess they saw a decline in purchasing.
Well, that would be expected if 80% of the workforce is furloughed.
That means only 20% would be verifiably essential workers.
I made up the numbers, but from past experience, that's pretty close.
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12.5% of people in America are under food welfare from the government.
Notice I said people and not American citizens.
I only think of the children going hungry.
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12.5% of people in America are under food welfare from the government.
Notice I said people and not American citizens.
I only think of the children going hungry.
With all this hoopla over SNAP, I haven't seen a single mention of free/subsidized school lunches or school breakfasts. I think those are also under the USDA if not mistaken.
i'll do some looking ....
UPDATE:
According to the USDA and a couple of state's websites, the school lunch funding is covered through end of Oct, just like SNAP. if the shutdown continues into Nov, the state will have to fund the school's reduced price or free lunches. They would then be reimbursed once funding is appropriated after the shutdown.
Here's the interesting part. Hawaii is urging anyone who was furloughed or terminated from their government job to immediately apply for school lunch subsidies for their kids. Also, about 1,100 FNS employees that manage the USDA SNAP and school lunch programs are furloughed out of about 1,200.
How bogged down do you think FNS will be if all 50 states tell their furloughed and terminated employees to apply for school food subsidies?
From what I remember, the state gets school funding that's tied in part to how many of its students are receiving free or reduced lunches. I guess it's a litmus test for how many students have parents earning below a certain level, so the school gets more money to offset the smaller tax revenue amount -- lower earnings = less tax owed. Makes sense that the state would try to capitalize on the current situation by getting as many people enrolled in school lunch programs as they can before the parents start getting a paycheck again.
Anyway, if HI can rustle up the cash to continue feeding kids free and reduced meals at school, then at least the kids in the family won't be suffering much.
Although, I'm sure some might argue that school lunches cause suffering, ... :geekdanc:
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Well, that would be expected if 80% of the workforce is furloughed.
That means only 20% would be verifiably essential workers.
I made up the numbers, but from past experience, that's pretty close.
IDK either how many are furloughed, but there are many calling in sick and using their sick days.
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IDK either how many are furloughed, but there are many calling in sick and using their sick days.
I don't think they need to use sick leave unless they are "excepted" and have to come to work. Once the shutdown ends, they all get back pay for the shutdown period. Sick leave likewise would be paid to the employee after the shutdown ends. i don't see much of an upside to burning leave unnecessarily.
In fact, let's say you have 30 days sick leave available to use. You put in for that and take a month of sick leave. When the gov't reopens, instead of getting back pay for the time you were furloughed, you'll get paid 30 days of sick leave. So, you get the same back pay, but you burned your leave.
There are limits to how much leave you can carry over from one fiscal year to another. The current rules look like you will be credited for any sick or annual leave you would have accrued during the shutdown. Any use-or-lose leave scheduled before the shutdown will be credited back to the employee and available to use before next fiscal year ends.
Maybe I'm, missing something? i'm sure it gets more complicated with people planning to retire this year, people who quit to get a job that's paying, etc. I just don't see the benefit of buning though sick days/leave if you're allowed to keep more than the carry-over amount due to the furlough.
i skimmed this, so maybe I'm missing a key point?
https://www.fedsmith.com/2025/03/13/pay-and-benefits-for-federal-employees-in-a-government-shutdown/
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I don't think they need to use sick leave unless they are "excepted" and have to come to work. Once the shutdown ends, they all get back pay for the shutdown period. Sick leave likewise would be paid to the employee after the shutdown ends. i don't see much of an upside to burning leave unnecessarily.
In fact, let's say you have 30 days sick leave available to use. You put in for that and take a month of sick leave. When the gov't reopens, instead of getting back pay for the time you were furloughed, you'll get paid 30 days of sick leave. So, you get the same back pay, but you burned your leave.
There are limits to how much leave you can carry over from one fiscal year to another. The current rules look like you will be credited for any sick or annual leave you would have accrued during the shutdown. Any use-or-lose leave scheduled before the shutdown will be credited back to the employee and available to use before next fiscal year ends.
Maybe I'm, missing something? i'm sure it gets more complicated with people planning to retire this year, people who quit to get a job that's paying, etc. I just don't see the benefit of buning though sick days/leave if you're allowed to keep more than the carry-over amount due to the furlough.
i skimmed this, so maybe I'm missing a ley point?
https://www.fedsmith.com/2025/03/13/pay-and-benefits-for-federal-employees-in-a-government-shutdown/
From the people I know who are telling me this, those using sick pay are required to come to work. The bosses aren't asking for a doctors note either.
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From the people I know who are telling me this, those using sick pay are required to come to work. The bosses aren't asking for a doctors note either.
Then that tracks with what I said about "excepted" employees.
However, they need to be careful. From what I read, an excepted employee must come to work. If they are taking sick leave, it will potentially be looked into. It's expected that annual leave will not be summarily approved except in unusual circumstances due to the reduced manning situation.
OPM states that any leave that federal employees previously had scheduled
during the period of the lapse in appropriations is canceled, so they will not
be charged leave in those cases.
If a federal employee had properly scheduled “use-or-lose” annual leave that
he or she was not able to use because of the lapse in appropriations, that leave
must be restored.
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Both furloughed and excepted federal employees will receive credit for any
annual and sick leave they would have otherwise accrued during the period
of the government shutdown once Congress restores appropriations.
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OPM further adds, “Generally, we do not expect excepted employees to request
to use paid leave during a lapse, since they are entitled to retroactive pay for
furlough periods without charge to leave. Use of paid leave under this special
authority is subject to normal rules for the applicable leave program, including
leave request and approval procedures.”
Most companies have reduced sick leave program abuse by creating a comprehensive leave category. No matter if you want time off for travel or because you are sick, it comes from the same pot of money. A separate sick leave category encourages abuse by saying you're sick when you're not. I think the government needs to look at following industry standards so people aren't fudging the system to take advantage of paid sick days.
Not requiring a doctor's note seems like an invitation to abuse the system just because of the shutdown.
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There are several local news videos of lines being set up for federal workers ONLY to come with their expensive new vehicles so volunteers can put free food into their nice new trunks of their nice new vehicles.
I hope that after the government re-opens and they get paid back pay, that they would "give back" to these nice agencies that gave them free food so that people who are in need can also utilize the services.
I commented on one of those news videos that after they get home after picking up their free food to contact hawaii's 2 senators and ask them if they voted to re-open the government.
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There are several local news videos of lines being set up for federal workers ONLY to come with their expensive new vehicles so volunteers can put free food into their nice new trunks of their nice new vehicles.
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Along this line...Sometimes I drive past a church on the way to the range.
They set up a food distribution tent. All the cars that I see in the line as I go past it are nicer or newer than my car.
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There are several local news videos of lines being set up for federal workers ONLY to come with their expensive new vehicles so volunteers can put free food into their nice new trunks of their nice new vehicles.
I hope that after the government re-opens and they get paid back pay, that they would "give back" to these nice agencies that gave them free food so that people who are in need can also utilize the services.
I commented on one of those news videos that after they get home after picking up their free food to contact hawaii's 2 senators and ask them if they voted to re-open the government.
Having a nice car doesn't mean they don't have money. They bought the car with their current income. Maybe they even over extended or are planning for the future, so they're getting food now to save money. Instead of waiting until their bank account reaches zero, then go get free food.
The same happened during the Covid shutdowns. My friend worked at a car dealership and months in, is when he saw the cars being returned cause they couldn't afford the monthly payments anymore.
Since the DNC and the media work together, I highly suspect that HI voters will see this as the GOP's fault. Refer to my post about how my feed is getting flooded with stuff like this from other states senators/reps in DC.
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What does being poor mean? My sister tells me a story of her classmates family being poor long ago. Their father brought home a can of coke and the family enjoyed sharing it together.
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I talked to my friend who works at the shipyard at Pearl (DOD). This is just his office/department. Of those who are still coming into work, they don't blame Trump or the GOP at all. IDK what political demographic is in the office, but knowing that HI is a very blue state, odds are that the office would be filled with more DNC supporters. But at the same time, they don't blame the DNC either. They're just frustrated that they aren't getting paid yet. So it seems like they're smart enough to knwo that in the end, they will get paid as this has happened many times in the past.
Now on my feed, being added to the propoganda are stories of people who rely on money from the feds for medical treatments to cancer like things. They're saying that their treatment will either stop or that they will have to pay big time to continue treatment.
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Having a nice car doesn't mean they don't have money. They bought the car with their current income. Maybe they even over extended or are planning for the future, so they're getting food now to save money. Instead of waiting until their bank account reaches zero, then go get free food.
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FYI
This was way before the government shutdown.
I suppose the nice cars could be older retired folks who qualify for assistance. Heck, ....I could probably qualify.
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There are alternative sources of money for these people to live on during the shutdown in order of what comes first.
1. Emergency savings, which is recommended 3 to 6 months.
2. 14 day supply of food for natural disasters
3. Borrowing or gifts from friends and family
4. Short term loans
5. Selling some belongings/downsizing
6. Withdrawing from retirement accounts
7. Community aid/donations
8. Government aid
Last resort is government aid. Everyone's been so complacent on everything else. There are some people that are truly poor and struggle. But vast majority is self made problems when they eat out all the time, have nice smartphones, and drive good cars instead of catching the bus.
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What does being poor mean? My sister tells me a story of her classmates family being poor long ago. Their father brought home a can of coke and the family enjoyed sharing it together.
In Hawaii, the criteria for SNAP assistance is your income/family income can't exceed 300% of the federal poverty level. There are 3 different charts for residents of the 48 contiguous states, AK and HI.
https://aspe.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/documents/dd73d4f00d8a819d10b2fdb70d254f7b/detailed-guidelines-2025.pdf
So, you find the poverty level for that size household, then multiply by 3 (300%).
Hawaii has the highest poverty-level amounts of the 3 categories. A family of 5 in HI can earn ($43,310 * 3)=$129,930.00, and qualify for SNAP benefits. If 2 members are income earners, each one can make an average of $64,965.
The amount of benefits per month can vary. Not everyone qualifies for the max. It depends on things like monthly mortgage or rent amount, utilities, debt payments, and other expenses, if anyone is a minor or disabled, and so on.
(https://i.imgur.com/GgSRiRG.png)
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In Hawaii, the criteria for SNAP assistance is your income/family income can't exceed 300% of the federal poverty level. There are 3 different charts for residents of the 48 contiguous states, AK and HI.
https://aspe.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/documents/dd73d4f00d8a819d10b2fdb70d254f7b/detailed-guidelines-2025.pdf
So, you find the poverty level for that size household, then multiply by 3 (300%).
Hawaii has the highest poverty-level amounts of the 3 categories. A family of 5 in HI can earn ($43,310 * 3)=$129,930.00, and qualify for SNAP benefits. If 2 members are income earners, each one can make an average of $64,965.
The amount of benefits per month can vary. Not everyone qualifies for the max. It depends on things like monthly mortgage or rent amount, utilities, debt payments, and other expenses, if anyone is a minor or disabled, and so on.
(https://i.imgur.com/GgSRiRG.png)
Damn, having to multiply it by 3 shows how expensive HI is. "I'm not poor, I'm hawaii poor. If I lived in Montana, I would have a mansion".
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Damn, having to multiply it by 3 shows how expensive HI is. "I'm not poor, I'm hawaii poor. If I lived in Montana, I would have a mansion".
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This is why most of my family moved away. :(
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There are alternative sources of money for these people to live on during the shutdown in order of what comes first.
This past month, I reassessed my expenses and cut/improved where possible.
I lowered my auto insurance by $300 per year, Cell phone service (x2) by $80 per month, internet and TV by $80 per month.
$2,220 per year savings ! :D
Went over and made adjustments to my "Retirement Account" and it gained 11.25% this month.
Also in the process of "cleaning up" MY environment like shedding un-used vehicles, household goods and replanting garden.
Three new chicks due this week.
And yes, we have also been "eligible" for decades but never depended on others.
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There are alternative sources of money for these people to live on during the shutdown in order of what comes first.
1. Emergency savings, which is recommended 3 to 6 months.
2. 14 day supply of food for natural disasters
3. Borrowing or gifts from friends and family
4. Short term loans
5. Selling some belongings/downsizing
6. Withdrawing from retirement accounts
7. Community aid/donations
8. Government aid
Last resort is government aid. Everyone's been so complacent on everything else. There are some people that are truly poor and struggle. But vast majority is self made problems when they eat out all the time, have nice smartphones, and drive good cars instead of catching the bus.
You don't have to have a nice car if you are hard pressed to make rent and put food on the table. I put #1 above as the top priority and it has served me well. I made average income, and raised 3 kids without any outside assistance.
Depending on the times, sometimes you gotta realize you need to eat hamburger instead of steak.
Lots of people nowadays are living short sighted. They are not looking far down the road, when their financial situation requires they SHOULD.
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Cross-posted from another topic. Felt it's more applicable here...
Among program participants, over 35 percent identified as White,
nearly 26 percent as African American,
nearly 16 percent as Hispanic,
4 percent as Asian, and
a little over 1 percent as Native American.
It should be noted that 17 percent of participants are listed as “race unknown.”
About 36 percent of SNAP households receive the maximum allotment.
The other 64 percent of participating households receive less than the maximum.
The average benefit is just $6 per person per day.
As described in a prior FRAC analysis, the greatest shortcoming of SNAP
is that benefits for most households are not enough to get them through the
entire month without hunger or being forced to sacrifice nutrition quality.
https://frac.org/blog/characteristics-report-by-usda-provides-insights-into-who-participates-in-snap
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Speaking of Trump and nukes ...
Trump says since it's been 30 days of government shutdown, it's now time for the GOP majority in the Senate to take the "Nuclear Option" and bypass the filibuster altogether.
I think this will be the path that garners the most favor with voters. The GOP gets roasted for not using their majority powers when it would benefit them and their agenda, and then they get roasted for using their power instead of "compromising" with the Democrats. Might as well use that club while they can. Everyone knows the Democrats would.
I expect a report tomorrow that SNAP benefits, military paychecks, and all the rest of the doom and gloom tied to the shutdown will be funded tomorrow -- either because the GOP decide to use the power they were given, or because the Democrats realize they have no leverage to continue playing games for no real political gain.
We shall see ...
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Speaking of Trump and nukes ...
Trump says since it's been 30 days of government shutdown, it's now time for the GOP majority in the Senate to take the "Nuclear Option" and bypass the filibuster altogether.
I think this will be the path that garners the most favor with voters. The GOP gets roasted for not using their majority powers when it would benefit them and their agenda, and then they get roasted for using their power instead of "compromising" with the Democrats. Might as well use that club while they can. Everyone knows the Democrats would.
I expect a report tomorrow that SNAP benefits, military paychecks, and all the rest of the doom and gloom tied to the shutdown will be funded tomorrow -- either because the GOP decide to use the power they were given, or because the Democrats realize they have no leverage to continue playing games for no real political gain.
We shall see ...
A majority of the GOP are deep state. They are the same as the gotdam democrats. My prediction is they will allow the democrats to “negotiate” a deal to fund snap, allowing them to take credit and boost their numbers for the midterm talking points.
They had them by the balls from January, yet we have seen no real movement on any thing significant on ANY real issues that they were elected to now hold the majority, including what DOGE reported on and 2a issues, which we have seen ZERO REAL movement on. It’s really very sickening. It’s clear both parties have no real interest in MAGA. They want to continue the status quo.
I hope I’m wrong and wish to say so come Nov 1, but I’m not holding my breath…
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A majority of the GOP are deep state. They are the same as the gotdam democrats. My prediction is they will allow the democrats to “negotiate” a deal to fund snap, allowing them to take credit and boost their numbers for the midterm talking points.
They had them by the balls from January, yet we have seen no real movement on any thing significant on ANY real issues that they were elected to now hold the majority, including what DOGE reported on and 2a issues, which we have seen ZERO REAL movement on. It’s really very sickening. It’s clear both parties have no real interest in MAGA. They want to continue the status quo.
I hope I’m wrong and wish to say so come Nov 1, but I’m not holding my breath…
According to this, GOP isn't interested in spending bills for individual programs or agencies to ease the consequences of the shutdown.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5581231-republicans-reject-rifle-shot-bills-shutdown/
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Getting rid of the fillerbuster is a bad idea.
When Democrats are in power they push hard to remove it while Republicans strongly oppose it.
When Republicans are in power they push hard to remove it while Democrats strongly oppose it.
Thats a sign it's a really bad idea.
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Speaking of Trump and nukes ...
Trump says since it's been 30 days of government shutdown, it's now time for the GOP majority in the Senate to take the "Nuclear Option" and bypass the filibuster altogether.
I think this will be the path that garners the most favor with voters. The GOP gets roasted for not using their majority powers when it would benefit them and their agenda, and then they get roasted for using their power instead of "compromising" with the Democrats. Might as well use that club while they can. Everyone knows the Democrats would.
I expect a report tomorrow that SNAP benefits, military paychecks, and all the rest of the doom and gloom tied to the shutdown will be funded tomorrow -- either because the GOP decide to use the power they were given, or because the Democrats realize they have no leverage to continue playing games for no real political gain.
We shall see ...
MTG posted 2 weeks ago on how this should have been used. I guess she foresaw that nothing would be done in the future.
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MTG posted 2 weeks ago on how this should have been used. I guess she foresaw that nothing would be done in the future.
Getting rid of the fillerbuster is a bad idea.
When Democrats are in power they push hard to remove it while Republicans strongly oppose it.
When Republicans are in power they push hard to remove it while Democrats strongly oppose it.
Thats a sign it's a really bad idea.
if you follow the tactics of The Don, you'll notice he does only a fraction of what he claims to want done.
I think his comments were meant to plant a seed in the minds of the Senate minority that the GOP will win one way or anther. Holding the nation hostage will not be rewarding for them.
So, when I predicted "either because the GOP decide to use the power they were given, or because the Democrats realize they have no leverage to continue playing games for no real political gain," I think the latter has the better chance of becoming true. The former is the threat that makes the latter more likely.
When you think about people going without paychecks, without entitlement benefits, and with no guarantee of the shutdown's duration, those people don't care whose shutdown this is or why. They only care that someone reopened government so the funding can flow. Whether the GOP does it via the nuclear option or by getting the Dems to pass a bill they have voted down 13 times so far, I think the GOP will be remembered as the party that cared more about the people suffering than what political impact the nuclear option might bring.
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Reports say there are no votes scheduled in the US Senate today, nor anything scheduled over the weekend.
It's looking like there will be no news until next week unless the Senate calls for a special session to vote before then.
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Getting rid of the fillerbuster is a bad idea.
When Democrats are in power they push hard to remove it while Republicans strongly oppose it.
When Republicans are in power they push hard to remove it while Democrats strongly oppose it.
Thats a sign it's a really bad idea.
In my opinion the filibuster is a waste of time and taxpayer money. Nothing gets done because the other side has no other means to combat the side that is in power.
I say the side that has the power should just ram their agenda through. The people have spoken as far as who they want representing America.
I may be shooting myself in the foot on this one but hey, the people hold the power and if the majority of the people are dumb-asses, then I guess it becomes what it is.
And of course, vice versa.
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everyone went home yesterday...
Reports say there are no votes scheduled in the US Senate today, nor anything scheduled over the weekend.
It's looking like there will be no news until next week unless the Senate calls for a special session to vote before then.
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I dunno if I could go eat at a fancy restaurant if I was a congress critter that went home for the weekend.
But that's just me. These congress critters are different. They are used to it.
everyone went home yesterday...
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In my opinion the filibuster is a waste of time and taxpayer money. Nothing gets done because the other side has no other means to combat the side that is in power.
I say the side that has the power should just ram their agenda through. The people have spoken as far as who they want representing America.
I may be shooting myself in the foot on this one but hey, the people hold the power and if the majority of the people are dumb-asses, then I guess it becomes what it is.
And of course, vice versa.
Unfortunately, the Senate has become little more than a battlefield where bills passed by the House can be halted when either party fails to have at least 60 seats -- assuming cloture applies to that measure.
The original intent of the Senate was to inject a little more sanity into the lawmaking process. The founders recognized that the majority in the House is comprised of representatives often from the most populous states, meaning those states will have more chances to advance their agendas. The Senate remained a 2-Senators-per-state body so that bad bills from the House might have a better chance of being stopped, or at least changed for the better, before becoming law.
Because the national party leadership now decides most Reps' and Senators' positions on votes, the outcome has been predetermined based on who holds the majority. That's true unless one side filibusters and the majority can't muster 60 votes to stop it. Partisan politics loves a good filibuster. Movies have been made about it (Mr. Smith goes to Washington).
Should we get rid of the filibuster completely? i don't think so. Should we get rid of it just long enough to get a budget passed so the government can reopen? If that's the only option, then yes.
i read that the shutdown is costing the economy between $7 billion and $14 billion in GDP, according to a new report from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.
Three scenarios were analyzed: What if the shutdown lasts (1) four weeks (a mark we already hit Wednesday), (2) six weeks, or (3) two months? If gov't reopened today, the GDP will have lost over $7B. If it were to drag on for an additional month, that's a $14B loss. if it extends even further, the damage would start to compound upon itself.
The longest shutdown was under Trump's administration Dec 22, 2018, to Jan 25, 2019 -- 35 days total.
This shutdown is already the second longest in US history after the 2018 shutdown. It will become the longest if it continues through next week Wednesday (Nov 5th).
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SNAP recipients
Active Duty Military & their families
Furloughed Federal Employees
Federal Employees Forced to Work Without Pay
Just some of the shutdown "victims" lining up in Waipahu for free food.
‘Rows of people’ attend
emergency food distribution event
Hundreds of cars stretched the Waipio Soccer Complex Friday morning
for Hawaii Foodbank’s emergency food distribution event.
It aimed to help those impacted by the federal shutdown.
Officials said that includes federal employees who were furloughed or
are missing paychecks.
The distribution was also intended for active-duty military households and
those facing delays in receiving their Supplemental Nutrition Assistance
Program (SNAP) benefits, officials said.
Registration for an emergency food distribution event reached capacity
within hours, according to the Hawaii Foodbank.
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2025/11/01/rows-people-attend-emergency-food-distribution-event/
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State launches emergency food assistance
program during SNAP disruption
The state is taking action to protect Hawaii residents from impacts of the ongoing
federal government shutdown and disruption to the Supplemental Nutrition
Assistance Program (SNAP).
Governor Josh Green on Thursday signed an executive order putting about
$145 million into new relief programs, tapping into about $29 million of the state’s
general fund and the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families federal grant
program, which has a surplus of about $400 million.
Under a new Hawaii Food Assistance Program, all current SNAP recipients,
from keiki to kupuna, will each receive $250 in their EBT cards by Nov. 14,
regardless of their federal benefit. No additional paperwork is needed.
The emergency relief payments will cost the state $42.2 million in November,
helping households bridge the gap created by the pause in federal SNAP funding.
Green said the state is prepared to extend the benefit should the shutdown
continue.
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2025/10/30/state-coordinates-efforts-protect-residents-impacted-by-federal-shutdown/
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jOD4kPlHw08
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Now there are two reports that intersect, both of which point to Trump using emergency funds to reinstate SNAP benefits.
Two judges rule Trump admin must keep SNAP
benefits in place as shutdown drags on
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/two-judges-rule-trump-admin-must-keep-snap-benefits-place-shutdown-drags
Trump vows to ‘fund SNAP as soon as possible’
if court allows, blasts Democrats over shutdown delay
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-vows-fund-snap-soon-possible-court-allows-blasts-democrats-shutdown-delay
The question left unanswered is whether of not the Trump administration can legally use emergency funds to pay regular SNAP benefits. One court says they can, the other says they can't. from my reading, the SNAP emergency fund is for things like natural disasters where victims can receive food benefits to assist during the crisis. Using them to replace SNAP funding because of a government shutdown might seem like an emergency to the recipients, but it's a 100% manmade emergency. The Dems can start the money flowing anytime they desire.
In a statement posted to Truth Social, Trump said government lawyers had
raised doubts about whether existing funds could be used for the November
distribution and that two courts have issued conflicting opinions on the matter.
"Our Government lawyers do not think we have the legal authority to pay
SNAP with certain monies we have available, and now two Courts have
issued conflicting opinions on what we can and cannot do," Trump wrote.
"I do NOT want Americans to go hungry just because the Radical Democrats
refuse to do the right thing and REOPEN THE GOVERNMENT."
The president said he had instructed administration attorneys to ask the
courts for clarification "as soon as possible."
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The SNAP rulings benefit Trump. People will get their SNAP benefits which makes them happy and eliminates that talking point for now. Though that ruling will likely get overturned on appeal if Trump chooses to do it, but I think he'll just take the win for now.
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The SNAP rulings benefit Trump. People will get their SNAP benefits which makes them happy and eliminates that talking point for now. Though that ruling will likely get overturned on appeal if Trump chooses to do it, but I think he'll just take the win for now.
1 less Democratic argument. Wonder what they'll bring up next?
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jOD4kPlHw08
Obama should step out and appeal to the Democrats to go back to work. And he should refer to the talking points he said above when the government shut down under his tenure.
He is oddly quiet nowadays.
This is off subject but anyone else notice that Hakeem Jeffries tries to mimic how obama speaks?
He's a obama wannabe in my opinion.
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1 less Democratic argument. Wonder what they'll bring up next?
The reserve funds will be exhausted in November for things like military pay and SNAP. So it'll be back to those points.
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The reserve funds will be exhausted in November for things like military pay and SNAP. So it'll be back to those points.
SON OF A B!OTCH!
(https://www.slashfilm.com/img/gallery/key-and-peele-substitute-teacher-movie-paramount/intro-import.webp)
Schumer needs to go to O-Shag-Hennesy's Office right NIAO!
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Obama should step out and appeal to the Democrats to go back to work. And he should refer to the talking points he said above when the government shut down under his tenure.
He is oddly quiet nowadays.
This is off subject but anyone else notice that Hakeem Jeffries tries to mimic how obama speaks?
He's a obama wannabe in my opinion.
I heard on Youtube vids referring to him as "Walmart Obama"
Elon explains the govt shutdown. Basically if they shut off healthcare for illeglas they will go away and hence the Dems voting base disappears, which explains why they are fighting so hard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEyWwCJbAPg
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temu obama
dime store obama
I heard on Youtube vids referring to him as "Walmart Obama"
Elon explains the govt shutdown. Basically if they shut off healthcare for illeglas they will go away and hence the Dems voting base disappears, which explains why they are fighting so hard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEyWwCJbAPg
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I heard on Youtube vids referring to him as "Walmart Obama"
Elon explains the govt shutdown. Basically if they shut off healthcare for illeglas they will go away and hence the Dems voting base disappears, which explains why they are fighting so hard.
It's not so much the illegal voting as it is the increases in their population totals with illegals. That determines subsidies, representation in the House, and cheap labor to compensate for bad economic policies.
With the recent rulings about redistricting states based on race being illegal, the Dems are looking at a net loss of at least 5-8 seats in the House. Add to that a loss of Representatives due to reduced populations of illegals AND Trump getting the next census to not count illegals, I don't think the Dems can win enough federal races to have a majority again.
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Now there are two reports that intersect, both of which point to Trump using emergency funds to reinstate SNAP benefits.
Two judges rule Trump admin must keep SNAP
benefits in place as shutdown drags on
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/two-judges-rule-trump-admin-must-keep-snap-benefits-place-shutdown-drags
Trump vows to ‘fund SNAP as soon as possible’
if court allows, blasts Democrats over shutdown delay
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-vows-fund-snap-soon-possible-court-allows-blasts-democrats-shutdown-delay
The question left unanswered is whether of not the Trump administration can legally use emergency funds to pay regular SNAP benefits. One court says they can, the other says they can't. from my reading, the SNAP emergency fund is for things like natural disasters where victims can receive food benefits to assist during the crisis. Using them to replace SNAP funding because of a government shutdown might seem like an emergency to the recipients, but it's a 100% manmade emergency. The Dems can start the money flowing anytime they desire.
Hes asking the courts to let him know which one he can use. He knows the dnc will charge him with a crime and impeach him for using the wrong one.
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Hes asking the courts to let him know which one he can use. He knows the dnc will charge him with a crime and impeach him for using the wrong one.
If Trump funds SNAP for Nov, it'll reduce the leverage the Dems believe they have over the GOP in the Senate.
If for some strange reason it's discovered he broke the law by using the wrong pot of money, I don't think he'll be impeached unless the Dems manage to take back the House (where an impeachment of the President must begin). I don't think they can take it back this midterm election based on the havoc the Dems are causing with the shutdown.
Even if he's impeached .... again ..... the GOP-controlled Senate will likely vote for acquittal ..... again. Even if convicted, it's a far cry from removal from office to spend money to help those dependent on entitlements and military paychecks.
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temu obama
dime store obama
Like a chiropractor that calls themselves "Doctor"
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or a dentist that calls themselves "doctor"...
Like a chiropractor that calls themselves "Doctor"
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or a dentist that calls themselves "doctor"...
They call themsleves "real doctors". Focus.
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The Democrats did very well in states that had gubernatorial and other major state-level elections. Because of this, the Dims in DC are using it to advertise that "the people" are behind the government shutdown.
Whereas before the election results the Democrats claimed it's the GOP keeping the government closed, now they are taking credit for it! :wtf:
This might cause the shutdown to drag on longer than anyone projected. If so, then the GOP may see no other way out than the nuclear option.
Unfortunately, the races yesterday were not in every state, so the assumption that most people support the Dem's in DC is ridiculous. So, the narrative that the shutdown is a good thing for Dems is shortsighted.
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https://apnews.com/article/government-shutdown-airlines-faa-e39c423facec2b0dcc2544af48de0fa1
The Democrats did very well in states that had gubernatorial and other major state-level elections. Because of this, the Dims in DC are using it to advertise that "the people" are behind the government shutdown.
Whereas before the election results the Democrats claimed it's the GOP keeping the government closed, now they are taking credit for it! :wtf:
This might cause the shutdown to drag on longer than anyone projected. If so, then the GOP may see no other way out than the nuclear option.
Unfortunately, the races yesterday were not in every state, so the assumption that most people support the Dem's in DC is ridiculous. So, the narrative that the shutdown is a good thing for Dems is shortsighted.
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More pain caused by the shutdown, and just in time for the big travel holiday!
FAA reducing air traffic by 10% across 40 ‘high-volume’
markets during government shutdown
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Federal Aviation Administration said Wednesday that it was
taking the extraordinary step of reducing air traffic by 10% across 40 “high-volume”
markets beginning Friday morning to maintain travel safety as air traffic controllers exhibit
signs of strain during the ongoing government shutdown.
The cutback stands to impact thousands of flights nationwide because the FAA directs
more than 44,000 flights daily, including commercial passenger flights, cargo planes and
private aircraft. The agency didn’t immediately identify which airports or cities will be
affected but said the restrictions would remain in place as long as necessary.
“I’m not aware in my 35-year history in the aviation market where we’ve had a situation
where we’re taking these kinds of measures,” FAA Administrator Bryan Bedford said at
a news conference.
Air traffic controllers have been working unpaid since the shutdown began Oct. 1, and
most have been on duty six days a week while putting in mandatory overtime. With some
calling out of work due to frustration, taking second jobs or not having money for child care
or gas, staffing shortages during some shifts have led to flight delays at a number of U.S.
airports.
https://apnews.com/article/government-shutdown-airlines-faa-e39c423facec2b0dcc2544af48de0fa1
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All over the internet, so much content about:
DEM. AGAINST US. (Us meaning Republicans.)
I often wonder if there will be bi-partisan politics ever again.
I'm beginning to wonder if this government shut down will ever........
No. I won't go there. yet.
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https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=57535.msg509629#msg509629
More pain caused by the shutdown, and just in time for the big travel holiday!
FAA reducing air traffic by 10% across 40 ‘high-volume’
markets during government shutdownhttps://apnews.com/article/government-shutdown-airlines-faa-e39c423facec2b0dcc2544af48de0fa1
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https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=57535.msg509629#msg509629
(https://i.imgur.com/jLSkMoA.jpeg)
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huh?
(https://i.imgur.com/jLSkMoA.jpeg)
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huh?
Your reward.
Or, maybe in your line of work, you'd prefer:
(https://i.imgur.com/3MhcfL8.jpeg)
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so when you point out a dupe post, it's ok
but when i do it, you get all huffy?
goalpost moved...
Your reward.
Or, maybe in your line of work, you'd prefer:
(https://i.imgur.com/3MhcfL8.jpeg)
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so when you point out a dupe post, it's ok
but when i do it, you get all huffy?
goalpost moved...
Show me where I said I was "huffy?" i gave you a cookie as a reward. A huffy person wouldn't do that.
And the posts are not dupes. All you posted was a link. I actually created a post that also happened to contain that link.
No comparison. Not duplicates.
:popcorn:
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i gave you a cookie as a reward.
That my dear boy is NOT a cookie. :rofl:
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That my dear boy is NOT a cookie. :rofl:
I'm lost. It appears to be a chocolate chip cookie.
I made Oatmeal Raisin cookies this week, because i'm not a chocolate chip cookie fan.
Now i'm wondering if I haven't actually been eating cookies? :shake:
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politico reporting senate democrats are heading towards ending shutdown
axios says they are not...
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politico reporting senate democrats are heading towards ending shutdown
axios says they are not...
Trump had a morning breakfast meeting with GOP Senators. He warned them that failing to open government will hurt them in the midterms/primaries just like it hurt the party in this week's elections. He's pushing hard to go nuclear and eliminate the filibuster. The senate majority leader, Thune, said he hasn't changed his mind on taking such a dangerous approach, and that he doesn't think they can get the needed votes to change the rules anyway.
Trump also said that after Nov, he won't/can't fund SNAP without Congress passing either a budget or a CSR. He doesn't have the funds in a way that authorizes him to move the money to cover SNAP benefits which is about $8 Billion per month. The emergency funds for SNAP covering 50% of entitlements is $4.65B, but the fund only has $5B.
It's still going to take weeks at least for the emergency funds to be sent, so even that isn't an effective bandaid after 42 million households are supposed to have gotten deposits by the 3rd or 5th of Nov.
Dems are making this harder than it ought to be. Nobody should be jumping through administrative hoops to find and distribute funds. It should have already been passed before the first of October.
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Going to be a bleak Thanksgiving for SNAP beneficiaries who are used to having all the fixins for a great turkey dinner.
Have a great thanksgiving, congress critters. Mazie and Brian, how's your holiday planning coming along? Really?
How nice.........
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Going to be a bleak Thanksgiving for SNAP beneficiaries who are used to having all the fixins for a great turkey dinner.
Have a great thanksgiving, congress critters. Mazie and Brian, how's your holiday planning coming along? Really?
How nice.........
I think it would be great for the DC area airports to be shutdown due to ATC and TSA shortages. Congress stranded in DC over the holidays would be poetic justice.
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Vegas is 1 airport that's going to reduce flights by up to 10%.
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Trump had a morning breakfast meeting with GOP Senators. He warned them that failing to open government will hurt them in the midterms/primaries just like it hurt the party in this week's elections. He's pushing hard to go nuclear and eliminate the filibuster. The senate majority leader, Thune, said he hasn't changed his mind on taking such a dangerous approach, and that he doesn't think they can get the needed votes to change the rules anyway.
Trump also said that after Nov, he won't/can't fund SNAP without Congress passing either a budget or a CSR. He doesn't have the funds in a way that authorizes him to move the money to cover SNAP benefits which is about $8 Billion per month. The emergency funds for SNAP covering 50% of entitlements is $4.65B, but the fund only has $5B.
It's still going to take weeks at least for the emergency funds to be sent, so even that isn't an effective bandaid after 42 million households are supposed to have gotten deposits by the 3rd or 5th of Nov.
Dems are making this harder than it ought to be. Nobody should be jumping through administrative hoops to find and distribute funds. It should have already been passed before the first of October.
I hope that this government shutdown will hurt the Dems worse 10x than the Republicans come the midterms!
At this point I am in favor of keeping that government shut down until the "useful idiots" that make up 85% of the party at this point wake up and smell the fat $#!+ coffee they are being served by their selfish senators (looking at you Bozo & $hatz).
I hope the useful idiots come to their f@#%ing senses and turn on their blue-@$$3d constituents when it comes to voting time, seeing them as the ones to blame for the 2 1/2 (possibly +) months worth of pain they caused.
NY, CA, NJ, VA were all off-season elections that purely banked on the short term pain of the government shutdown and months of media driven TDS. The movement against them has got to remain united, America first, constitution first, and no in-fighting EVER!
It's good to have diversity of ideas but PLEASE until we secure a super majority next midterm keep your zionist conspiracy theories, uniparty black-pilling, tariff tantrums, and isolationist idiocy to your GOD D@MNED SELVES!!! >:(
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I hope that this government shutdown will hurt the Dems worse 10x than the Republicans come the midterms!
At this point I am in favor of keeping that government shut down until the "useful idiots" that make up 85% of the party at this point wake up and smell the fat $#!+ coffee they are being served by their selfish senators (looking at you Bozo & $hatz).
I hope the useful idiots come to their f@#%ing senses and turn on their blue-@$$3d constituents when it comes to voting time, seeing them as the ones to blame for the 2 1/2 (possibly +) months worth of pain they caused.
NY, CA, NJ, VA were all off-season elections that purely banked on the short term pain of the government shutdown and months of media driven TDS. The movement against them has got to remain united, America first, constitution first, and no in-fighting EVER!
It's good to have diversity of ideas but PLEASE until we secure a super majority next midterm keep your zionist conspiracy theories, uniparty black-pilling, tariff tantrums, and isolationist idiocy to your GOD D@MNED SELVES!!! >:(
Trump posted about how this is currrently hurting the GOP for some elections that have taken place.
Schummer is saying the DNC wants a 1 year extetion of the "subsidies" for the ACA and they will sign a temp bill or something.
I hope the GOP doesn't give in because 1 year form now, the DNC will do the same.
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Best way to end the shutdown is if the fed employees union makes a harsh stand against Democrats.
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i was in washington dc the end of october and there were big banners on the union buildings supporting trump and the gop agins the shutdown
forgot to take pictures...
Best way to end the shutdown is if the fed employees union makes a harsh stand against Democrats.
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Trump posted about how this is currrently hurting the GOP for some elections that have taken place.
That's because the Dems have an insane amount of control over mainstream news. They don't even need to be in power of our federal government when the Hydra known as Mainstream Media will lie, lie, lie, spin, spin, spin, all the untrue cr@p on their behalf until their "useful idiot" base believes it to be gospel! They stick with it and eventually it reaches the impressionable ears of "independents", they are the ones at the end of the day who decide the final outcome of elections. Not just the dems or the republicans alone.
Shame on the media and any dem politician who parrots this lie, especially you Jill Tokuda lying useless c^&+
I hope the GOP doesn't give in because 1 year form now, the DNC will do the same.
To the GOP DONT GIVE IN! DON'T GIVE IN! DONT GIVE IN! DON'T GIVE IN! DONT GIVE IN! DON'T GIVE IN!
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i was in washington dc the end of october and there were big banners on the union buildings supporting trump and the gop agins the shutdown
forgot to take pictures...
They are going to have to make noise soon against the Dems if they want this sham of a poltical standoff to end! Direct all their Ire at Schumer, that piece of $#!+ deserves what's coming to him!
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Hey democrats. Think about those who won't be eating turkey and it's fixins while all of you stuff your f*ckn faces with it.
I think it would be great for the DC area airports to be shutdown due to ATC and TSA shortages. Congress stranded in DC over the holidays would be poetic justice.
Flapp is spot on. Shut down the DC airports. All of them. Now. If America can't travel to be with their families and have Thanksgiving, then congress won't either.
Cry America a river, congress critters. The fact that you are still getting paid while causing the nation so much pain is shameful, criminal, and downright evil.
F*ck. All. Of. You. (and everything about you.) :wave:
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It's been great finding out how much we don't need government
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It's been great finding out how much we don't need government
Since government is their god, when it’s shut down, they become formless shades, wailing here, wailing there…
Their wailing lulls me to a deep sleep each night, and somehow the days are sunnier.
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I hope that this government shutdown will hurt the Dems worse 10x than the Republicans come the midterms!
At this point I am in favor of keeping that government shut down until the "useful idiots" that make up 85% of the party at this point wake up and smell the fat $#!+ coffee they are being served by their selfish senators (looking at you Bozo & $hatz).
I hope the useful idiots come to their f@#%ing senses and turn on their blue-@$$3d constituents when it comes to voting time, seeing them as the ones to blame for the 2 1/2 (possibly +) months worth of pain they caused.
NY, CA, NJ, VA were all off-season elections that purely banked on the short term pain of the government shutdown and months of media driven TDS. The movement against them has got to remain united, America first, constitution first, and no in-fighting EVER!
It's good to have diversity of ideas but PLEASE until we secure a super majority next midterm keep your zionist conspiracy theories, uniparty black-pilling, tariff tantrums, and isolationist idiocy to your GOD D@MNED SELVES!!! >:(
Amen brother.
As general Sherman said, “War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want.”
It’s as fitting for the Democrat’s current confederacy as it was for their first.
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It's been great finding out how much we don't need government
My thoughts exactly.
As I don't expect them to do anything or depend on them (feed me, subsidize my rent, unemployment check, fix the pot holes, protect me or keep crime in check) I'm missing nothing.
Besides, wasn't this CR supposed to just get us thru November 21st ?
That's less than 2 weeks away.
If we ride the shutdown till the 21st, what happens then ?
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My thoughts exactly.
As I don't expect them to do anything or depend on them (feed me, subsidize my rent, unemployment check, fix the pot holes, protect me or keep crime in check) I'm missing nothing.
Besides, wasn't this CR supposed to just get us thru November 21st ?
That's less than 2 weeks away.
If we ride the shutdown till the 21st, what happens then ?
GOP senators are talking about amending the CR so it ends in Jan or later,
if the Senate amends the expiration date, the bill will need to be sent back to the House for a final vote after the Senate passes it.
John Thune Says the Senate Will Likely Have to
Change the Date of the Funding Bill — And Quickly
Thune said he was open to extending the date to January or beyond.
“The longer runway, the better,” he said.
“The idea that we could get any appropriations bills done by Nov. 21,
now, that date is lost. So it’s a question now of what’s the next one.”
Speaker of the House Mike Johnson has been firm in his decision not
to bring the House back in session until the Senate passes a CR.
Amending the date would require the House approving the change
after the Senate passes a new bill.
https://www.notus.org/congress/john-thune-shutdown-republican-cr-vote
Some Democrats did vote for the current continuing resolution (CR), including Senators John Fetterman, Catherine Cortez Masto, and Angus King. Republican Rand Paul voted against the bill.
The last senate vote was 54-44. As it stands, the Senate needs 6 more Democrats to vote "yes". If they can change Paul's vote, then only 5 are needed.
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The sadistic evil 5th column (called the Democrat party) has shut down the government, while screeching about how awful what they are doing is to their meatpuppet drones, who in turn reflexively blame the party that continues to vote yes on a resolution that continues current funding to open the government, which the Democrat party is blocking. Rinse, repeat.
All the while, their sea of meatpuppets is sinking deeper into real fear, emotional trauma, and rage, day by day, as their mothership of worship and sustenance, the “government” is in stasis - apparently fearing that it may die or something.
This is the naked reality here.
These are not just people with a different outlook with respect to how a civil society should best be run under our Constitution: No, this is a totally alien race.
We and they cannot coexist in the same space and time, period. If you haven’t yet gotten fully used to this bleak circumstance, the hour is getting late, especially for us here so far behind enemy lines.
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GOP has a modified bill they want to replace the house bill. it would fund the government at current levels through Jan 31. It would also fund the VA, Congress and the US Dept of Agriculture until the end of the fiscal year (Sept 30). Funding USDA would mean Food Stamps (EBT), WIC and other USDA-managed food programs would continue without a delay in benefits.
A "test" vote may be held this afternoon if the GOP Senators think they have the 60 votes needed to invoke cloture and bypass the filibuster.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6384871976112
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Went onto C-Span and watched the live results from the Senate.
Senate has the minimum 60 votes needed to invoke cloture -- no more filibustering.
That's step one. Now they need to pass the bill itself and let the House vote on it.
(https://i.imgur.com/d5Ludch.png)
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Exactly 60 votes seems suspicous. I suspect most Democrats wanted the shutdown to be over but had to save face by just getting the minimum yea votes so they can continue to complain.
So the ACA goes back to it's original subsidy next year. I think there will still be a blame game but I don't see another shutdown happening. Most people will be able to afford the increase in healthcare. The increased subsidies only made up $40 billion (or $450 billion over 10 years) out of the $1.5 trillion the Democrats were demanding during the shutdown.
Overall Republicans won. People on SNAP will get their food. Federal employees are gravitating towards Republicans. Democrats lost respect from their own side.
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https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2025/11/10/we-are-not-done-with-this-fight-hawaii-senators-reject-deal-reopen-government/
The U.S. Senate voted Sunday to move forward on passing legislation that would reopen the federal government.
But it did so without the support of Hawaii’s two senators.
Both Sens. Mazie Hirono and Brian Schatz said the compromise, which does not include a guaranteed extension of health care subsidies, fails to address rising health care costs for millions of Americans.
“We are not done with this fight,” said Sen. Brian Schatz, D-Hawaii. “We are going to keep fighting to try to salvage this situation for the tens of millions of Americans who are going to see their health care costs double.”
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https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2025/11/10/we-are-not-done-with-this-fight-hawaii-senators-reject-deal-reopen-government/
The U.S. Senate voted Sunday to move forward on passing legislation that would reopen the federal government.
But it did so without the support of Hawaii’s two senators.
Both Sens. Mazie Hirono and Brian Schatz said the compromise, which does not include a guaranteed extension of health care subsidies, fails to address rising health care costs for millions of Americans.
“We are not done with this fight,” said Sen. Brian Schatz, D-Hawaii. “We are going to keep fighting to try to salvage this situation for the tens of millions of Americans who are going to see their health care costs double.”
The bozo and the sh*t head.
Why are most of us not surprised. Not even their colleagues on Capitol Hill.
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The bozo and the sh*t head.
Why are most of us not surprised. Not even their colleagues on Capitol Hill.
I can see Trump getting his veto pen ready and telling Schumer, "That's a nice beefy spending bill you have there, Chucky. it would be a shame if anything were to happen to it."
It would be an appropriate troll of the Dems for Trump to post a little blurb saying he's not sure if he'll veto it or not, just to add to the drama!
:thumbsup: :geekdanc: :rofl: :popcorn:
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Exactly 60 votes seems suspicous. I suspect most Democrats wanted the shutdown to be over but had to save face by just getting the minimum yea votes so they can continue to complain.
So the ACA goes back to it's original subsidy next year. I think there will still be a blame game but I don't see another shutdown happening. Most people will be able to afford the increase in healthcare. The increased subsidies only made up $40 billion (or $450 billion over 10 years) out of the $1.5 trillion the Democrats were demanding during the shutdown.
Overall Republicans won. People on SNAP will get their food. Federal employees are gravitating towards Republicans. Democrats lost respect from their own side.
Word is the DNC who voted for it are not up for re-election.
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These clowns created the problem of Obama care and purposefully made it unsustainable to use it as leverage against the people and to launder the kickbacks from the insurance companies. Nothing about this government healthcare helps people. It helps these politicians and insurance companies make billions of dollars.
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Senator Kennedy also exposed some 4.5 million dollars the demorats want to send to Uganda or someplace in Africa to promote LGBQT elo-meno-P rights.
4.5 million dollars. To f*ckers in Uganda while our own citizens struggle to make ends meet. Yeah, I wonder how much of that money actually reaches those pukes in Uganda. Maybe 1 million? The rest in you know who pockets.
Same as this Obama care crap. How much actually filters down to help the ones it was intended to help.
My opinion of course.
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These clowns created the problem of Obama care and purposefully made it unsustainable to use it as leverage against the people and to launder the kickbacks from the insurance companies. Nothing about this government healthcare helps people. It helps these politicians and insurance companies make billions of dollars.
Trump posted that any subsidies should be paid to the individual and not the company.
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I hope they also use this for DOGE. All those who didn't show up are then fired. It made no sense to not show up as you will eventually get your pay. By not showing up, no pay. Unless sick pay or PTO/vacay was used, but then what is their sick pay protocol.
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I hope they also use this for DOGE. All those who didn't show up are then fired. It made no sense to not show up as you will eventually get your pay. By not showing up, no pay. Unless sick pay or PTO/vacay was used, but then what is their sick pay protocol.
One of the concessions Trump made to end the shutdown is all the federal employees terminated when the shutdown began have to be reinstated.
In other words, they are mad Trump took advantage of the Dem shutdown, so they wanted to undo it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIqsWyv7ITw
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I don't understand. If the shutdown was blamed on Trump and Republicans why are they blaming the Democrats for opening govt.? ???
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I don't understand. If the shutdown was blamed on Trump and Republicans why are they blaming the Democrats for opening govt.? ???
It's easy. Democrats lie. Republicans lie, just not as blatantly. You can't reconcile the facts in a place where truth is the first and constant casualty.
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The longest government shutdown in US history is officially over.
President Trump signed the bill to fund the government through the end of January 2006. SNAP was extended to end of September.
One of the downsides: the CR continues funding the government at last year's levels. That means we are extending the Biden/Democrat budget that was in place when Trump took office.
And the Democrats today are whining that they "lost" in this CR bill.
So, don't get caught up in the rhetoric. if you really want to know what the impacts of the CR might be, do your own research.
(Real research. Not the "I Googled something and this link was at the top" research -- i.e. EEF-search)
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I wonder if the same crap will happen come Jan.30th 2026 when the CR ends.
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I wonder if the same crap will happen come Jan.30th 2026 when the CR ends.
Supposedly the ACA subsidies part of the budget will be discussed in December, so the answer to your question is, "We'll have to wait and see."
My guess is the Dems would be shooting themselves in the foot to have agreed to table that issue and reopen the gov't just to shut it down again after being given the chance to present their case to the House and Senate.
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I wonder if the same crap will happen come Jan.30th 2026 when the CR ends.
NINE ZEROS.........90 Billion dollars estimated of what this shutdown cost.
Check out @ 1:30 of the video what the obama wannabe said in light of the government opening back up.
I have some words for you mr. hakeem jeffries: F*ck you and everyone like you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mExjIM-uzt4
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party before the people of Hawaii
https://www.khon2.com/wake-up-2day/rep-jill-tokuda-heads-to-d-c-to-vote-no-on-latest-bill-to-reopen-the-government/
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So, only Democrats voted for Obamacare at the 11th hour just before they lost the majority in the House.
They lied to the nation and SCOTUS -- first saying they were authorized to force uninsured adults pay a tax, then arguing to the SCOTUS that the mandate was not a tax.
They lied for years about how much everyone would save, and that we can keep our doctors and our plans.
They balked at every plan offered to fix the ACA.
Then they used COVID emergency powers to pass a larger subsidy for ACA subscribers.
Now that the COVID emergency is over (has been for awhile), the Dems are terrified that the ACA will again be exposed for the unaffordable BS that it's alwys been.
But, that's the Republican's fault? :crazy: :wtf:
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party before the people of Hawaii
https://www.khon2.com/wake-up-2day/rep-jill-tokuda-heads-to-d-c-to-vote-no-on-latest-bill-to-reopen-the-government/
This is the typical and classic Communist. What’s not typical and classic is the insane party platform of the new left which is illegals, weirdo cross dressing perverts, and racial criminal coddling.
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Seems like the extreme left does not believe in capitalism anymore. Without capitalists to leech off of, how are the extreme left gonna get money to give to their lazy voter base?
I wonder if Bernie and A1c and mom-dani would willingly share their wealth or do they consider themselves the elite group that is above their constituents.
Capitalism for me, but not for thee. The mantra of the socialist elite.
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How does the shutdown cost money? Are people making overtime cause otehrs are calling in sick? Were contracts lost?
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How does the shutdown cost money? Are people making overtime cause otehrs are calling in sick? Were contracts lost?
Wealth was not properly redistributed
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How does the shutdown cost money? Are people making overtime cause otehrs are calling in sick? Were contracts lost?
With no money flowing, most government employees aren't getting paid during.
Basically, if the government ain't paying, the payees ain't spending, and the people selling to them ain't making money.
Gov't contracts had to be put on hold unless the contractor was willing to proceed "at risk" -- meaning they have no guarantee the gov't will pay them for all the work they did. Those not willing to proceed may have to postpone hiring or even place people on leaves of absence while the money isn't coming in. just like above, the money isn't making its way into the economy because there's a dam upstream.
Imagine all the grocers, especially the small mom & pop stores, having to meet payroll and pay their bills if a large percentage of their customers are SNAP recipients. Once that money is halted, grocers in lower income areas might have problems with their monthly cashflow, threatening their business' very existence.
Those are high-level issues. At the micro level, you may have parents unable to pay tuition for their kids' college or private school, new car purchases that have to be put on hold even though their old car is costing lots to keep it running, Same for new appliances or major work on homes -- new roof or kitchen renovation. Then there are services the employees can't all afford without a paycheck, like their yard maintenance or house cleaning, and on and on. Each person who depends on the gov't money reaching their customers (gov't employees) will be impacted.
Then there's the $5 Billion we owe in back pay for gov't employees, which almost all will be paid for zero hours worked -- money for nothing.
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With no money flowing, most government employees aren't getting paid during.
Basically, if the government ain't paying, the payees ain't spending, and the people selling to them ain't making money.
Gov't contracts had to be put on hold unless the contractor was willing to proceed "at risk" -- meaning they have no guarantee the gov't will pay them for all the work they did. Those not willing to proceed may have to postpone hiring or even place people on leaves of absence while the money isn't coming in. just like above, the money isn't making its way into the economy because there's a dam upstream.
Imagine all the grocers, especially the small mom & pop stores, having to meet payroll and pay their bills if a large percentage of their customers are SNAP recipients. Once that money is halted, grocers in lower income areas might have problems with their monthly cashflow, threatening their business' very existence.
Those are high-level issues. At the micro level, you may have parents unable to pay tuition for their kids' college or private school, new car purchases that have to be put on hold even though their old car is costing lots to keep it running, Same for new appliances or major work on homes -- new roof or kitchen renovation. Then there are services the employees can't all afford without a paycheck, like their yard maintenance or house cleaning, and on and on. Each person who depends on the gov't money reaching their customers (gov't employees) will be impacted.
Then there's the $5 Billion we owe in back pay for gov't employees, which almost all will be paid for zero hours worked -- money for nothing.
I still don't understand. I mean, I look at it as everyone above iwll get their money. So even steven. So how is it a "loss" or costing that much extra due to the shutdown. If anything, the government "saved" money for a month.
When I see a headline like " the shutdown cost X billions", that's the normal spending for that time. It's not like it cost X billions on top of what would have been spent normally.
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I still don't understand. I mean, I look at it as everyone above iwll get their money. So even steven. So how is it a "loss" or costing that much extra due to the shutdown. If anything, the government "saved" money for a month.
When I see a headline like " the shutdown cost X billions", that's the normal spending for that time. It's not like it cost X billions on top of what would have been spent normally.
The loss is in terms of economic growth. Recessions are defined as two consecutive quarters of negative growth in gross domestic product (GDP). While growth is not negative from the shutdown, it's lower than expected prior to the shutdown.
The shutdown is estimated to reduce GDP growth by about 1.5 percentage points in the fourth quarter of 2025, with a total economic loss of approximately $11 billion expected to be permanent. Most of the lost economic activity will be recovered once the government reopens, but some impacts, like canceled flights and missed restaurant meals, will not be made up.
So, while the purchase of goods can be shifted to a later month/quarter and be viewed as a wash, service industries and businesses that that rely on constant income from customers will never be able to go back in time and realize that revenue. Hypothetically, are you going to spend twice as much on gasoline in the next quarter to make up for not commuting to work for a month and a half? Are you going to pay your yard service for not showing up for 4 or 6 weeks?
Yes, some of the spending will be shifted to a different month or quarter, and it will be an accounting wash, But much of that money will go to pay down credit cards people needed to live on for that timeframe or to repay banks that floated their mortgage payments until they got paid. That's money that was already spent. Paying a debt incurred in the past isn't counted as "spending" for this month. That money was spent last month -- borrowed money.
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The loss is in terms of economic growth. Recessions are defined as two consecutive quarters of negative growth in gross domestic product (GDP). While growth is not negative from the shutdown, it's lower than expected prior to the shutdown.
The shutdown is estimated to reduce GDP growth by about 1.5 percentage points in the fourth quarter of 2025, with a total economic loss of approximately $11 billion expected to be permanent. Most of the lost economic activity will be recovered once the government reopens, but some impacts, like canceled flights and missed restaurant meals, will not be made up.
So, while the purchase of goods can be shifted to a later month/quarter and be viewed as a wash, service industries and businesses that that rely on constant income from customers will never be able to go back in time and realize that revenue. Hypothetically, are you going to spend twice as much on gasoline in the next quarter to make up for not commuting to work for a month and a half? Are you going to pay your yard service for not showing up for 4 or 6 weeks?
Yes, some of the spending will be shifted to a different month or quarter, and it will be an accounting wash, But much of that money will go to pay down credit cards people needed to live on for that timeframe or to repay banks that floated their mortgage payments until they got paid. That's money that was already spent. Paying a debt incurred in the past isn't counted as "spending" for this month. That money was spent last month -- borrowed money.
I understand now. Thanks.
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If a government shuts down and tanks the economy then you don't really have an economy.
It's a money printing machine pretending to be an economy, and sooner or later the people who depend on it are going to be in serious trouble.
9 out of 10 government workers serve no purpose other than necessitating a communist redistribution of wealth. It's a jobs program for mostly useless people.
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I understand now. Thanks.
When the government stops spending, GDP contacts, simply because government spending is counted as part of GDP - a huge part of GDP …
(https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/fredgraph.png?g=1NYxn&height=490)
Just fyi
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Whenever the government spend money it actually destroys wealth and productivity
https://www.heritage.org/budget-and-spending/commentary/the-costly-truth-about-government-spending