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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Platinum808 on October 20, 2025, 02:04:39 PM
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Glock is discontinuing all model because of out lash about glock switches
https://us.glock.com/en/discontinued-models
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https://youtu.be/vb4NJSwRsJE?si=6GbCHhQt7mcZYbF4
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I wonder if Glock will offer trade-in discounts to try and reduce the number of pre-V Glocks in circulation?
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Cucks.
This will set precedent. Wait till CA finalizes their fingerprint access on gun system. Or "your gun mag limit is 10rds, but the gun can hold a mag that can hold more than 10rds, change it or we sue you again".
Then it's a cat and mouse game as new switches will be invented.
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Criminal California: It has to be aggressively confronted and defeated by whatever means necessary.
Certainly they are drafting paper to ban all long guns - as a simple hacksaw can turn them into short barreled weapons, right?
Everything under the sun that is produced can be altered to make it not what it is supposed to be.
Everything.
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Cucks.
This will set precedent. Wait till CA finalizes their fingerprint access on gun system. Or "your gun mag limit is 10rds, but the gun can hold a mag that can hold more than 10rds, change it or we sue you again".
Then it's a cat and mouse game as new switches will be invented.
If the facts support the allegation that Glocks stand out as the only pistols that a switch can be easily installed in to create a full-auto pistol, then i think they have a duty to change that design, especially if it's unintentional.
Glock switches are specifically designed to fit Glock pistols, particularly
models like the Glock 17 and Glock 19, which are among the most
common. However, they can also potentially fit other Glock models that
share similar internal designs.
With CA banning Glocks over this problem, I think it's prudent for Glock to get out in front of it by announcing a solution -- at least for new production runs.
The liability of letting a firearm remain capabel of full-auto rate of fire could destroy the company.
This is not the first time a firearm design resulted in it's ban: The Tech-DC9 was simple to convert to full-auto. Many Tech-9 variants were used in mass shootings, but none were converted according to the source I saw,
Without a solution, Glock may face the same bans as Tech-9s. CA may just be the tip of the spear.
I'd wait and see if this even matters. If the V-series replaces the current pistol lines with comparable, or even better, firearms, then the company will have taken the opportunity to sell more -- not fewer -- Glocks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_switch
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If the facts support the allegation that Glocks stand out as the only pistols that a switch can be easily installed in to create a full-auto pistol, then i think they have a duty to change that design, especially if it's unintentional.
Are you sure it's not Fudd Jackson?
Legalize full auto!
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Are you sure it's not Fudd Jackson?
Legalize full auto!
The fact is: full auto is not legal to import. And to transfer one, you have to apply for an NFA permit.
So, why wouldn't an Austrian company protect themselves against liability lawsuits? If they intend to continue sales in the US, they need to make changes. CA may be the first of many states which pass laws to ban them. That's not a good long term business plan, nor is it protecting the Second Amendment. Kicking Glocks out of the US market is a gun-hater's wet dream!
Wishing full autos were legalized doesn't change reality. Call me a Fudd if you like. It doesn't change anything. Unless/until the NFA is repealed or changed, full auto firearm retail sales are unlawful. Saying it's not a full auto unless it has a switch is like saying a 15 rd mag is legal as long as it contains no ammo ... or only the number that's legal.
if the Glock design accepts a switch and operates in FA with it, then the pistol is designed to be used as a machine gun. There's no simpler way to look at it.
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Criminal California: It has to be aggressively confronted and defeated by whatever means necessary.
Certainly they are drafting paper to ban all long guns - as a simple hacksaw can turn them into short barreled weapons, right?
Everything under the sun that is produced can be altered to make it not what it is supposed to be.
Everything.
Clearly the intent here is to establish yet another degenerate precedent to attack the industry: If it can be modified to be what WE define as bad, it IS bad and should be made illegal.
This is the new ground they want to drag the industry on top of so they can kill it there - this is what it means to subvert, and this is what they specialize in, as we all should have known long, long ago.
I.e. the switch is totally illegal, doing the modification is totally illegal, but with this shift in the ground of the argument all that instantly becomes beside the point: The actual illegality is the the gun, because it is not designed to be unmodifiable!
Next up for them is likely the AR platform. Many versions are easily drop-in modified to full auto. Here’s just one search hit:
“Another fantastic invention that came about in the 1980s was the “Lightning Link.” Properly known as the S.W.D., Inc. Auto Connector, fewer than 900 of these were manufactured and in the NFA registry prior to May 1986. This is a drop-in part to convert a commercial AR-15 into a fully automatic firearm.”
https://www.recoilweb.com/turning-your-ar-15-into-an-m-16-150631.html
So, AR’s capable of being modified this way are next - exactly the same situation.
The first and foremost engineering priority with respect to firearms is NOT the anticipation and thwarting of all possible modifications after sale - and it never can be allowed to be. Hence if the industry doesn’t kill this evil dead, they will have us back to flintlocks.
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Legalize full auto
It’s the only way to be sure
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Clearly the intent here is to establish yet another degenerate precedent to attack the industry: If it can be modified to be what WE define as bad, it IS bad and should be made illegal.
This is the new ground they want to drag the industry on top of so they can kill it there - this is what it means to subvert, and this is what they specialize in, as we all should have known long, long ago.
I.e. the switch is totally illegal, doing the modification is totally illegal, but with this shift in the ground of the argument all that instantly becomes beside the point: The actual illegality is the the gun, because it is not designed to be unmodifiable!
Next up for them is likely the AR platform. Many versions are easily drop-in modified to full auto. Here’s just one search hit:
“Another fantastic invention that came about in the 1980s was the “Lightning Link.” Properly known as the S.W.D., Inc. Auto Connector, fewer than 900 of these were manufactured and in the NFA registry prior to May 1986. This is a drop-in part to convert a commercial AR-15 into a fully automatic firearm.”
https://www.recoilweb.com/turning-your-ar-15-into-an-m-16-150631.html
So, AR’s capable of being modified this way are next - exactly the same situation.
The first and foremost engineering priority with respect to firearms is NOT the anticipation and thwarting of all possible modifications after sale - and it never can be allowed to be. Hence if the industry doesn’t kill this evil dead, they will have us back to flintlocks.
inserting a switch into a Glock pistol is not a modification. It's a conversion to FA that requires no modification to the original pistol.
That's different than the AR15 to M16 modification.
AR15s can have a FA BCG and still not function in FA. But, if you machine the lower reciever to accept a FA sear, then you can convert it to FA.
The most common way is to buy the actual M-16 fire control parts
and install them in a lower receiver. Most lower receivers need to
be modified by drilling a third hole to fit the auto sear.
What separates a registered receiver has a third pin hole to house
the auto sear.
One of the first methods of converting an AR to fire full auto is to
install a part known as a Drop-In Auto Sear, or DIAS. The DIAS
requires an M-16 hammer, selector, and bolt installed in the rifle.
The “Drop In” appellation refers to the end-user not having to machine
the lower to accommodate an auto sear, as a secondary auto sear
is part of the DIAS.
A DIAS doesn’t require a third pin hole, though some receivers will
require some milling.
There are other conversion methods mentioned in your link that require no milling or modifications. Most of those were popular in the1980s, and unless the parts were properly registered by the NFA, producing or possessing more is unlawful. Also, the Lightning Link only functioned with a specific Colt AR15 bolt model SP-1 as well as a small handfull of early civilian AR15s. "After 1989, Colt added what’s known as a “High Shelf” in their lower receivers to prevent installation of a Lightning Link. These lowers can work if the shelf is milled away." Sounds like Colt was making changes in their products to prevent FA long before Glock's recent change.
With the prices of ammo today, you'd have to be financially comfortable to shoot a FA firearm. At Front Sight, I paid $40 for the privilege of doing a 30 rd mag dump. It was over in about 5 seconds! And the smoke and particles it spewed were very hard to see through and also very irritating to my eyes. So much fun and unpleasant reactions to such a short FA experience.
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“I overpaid to exercise my constitutional rights…”
Shut your Fudd hole
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inserting a switch into a Glock pistol is not a modification. It's a conversion to FA that requires no modification to the original pistol.
That's different than the AR15 to M16 modification.
AR15s can have a FA BCG and still not function in FA. But, if you machine the lower reciever to accept a FA sear, then you can convert it to FA.
There are other conversion methods mentioned in your link that require no milling or modifications. Most of those were popular in the1980s, and unless the parts were properly registered by the NFA, producing or possessing more is unlawful. Also, the Lightning Link only functioned with a specific Colt AR15 bolt model SP-1 as well as a small handfull of early civilian AR15s. "After 1989, Colt added what’s known as a “High Shelf” in their lower receivers to prevent installation of a Lightning Link. These lowers can work if the shelf is milled away." Sounds like Colt was making changes in their products to prevent FA long before Glock's recent change.
With the prices of ammo today, you'd have to be financially comfortable to shoot a FA firearm. At Front Sight, I paid $40 for the privilege of doing a 30 rd mag dump. It was over in about 5 seconds! And the smoke and particles it spewed were very hard to see threw and also very irritating to my eyes. So much fun and unpleasant reactions to such a short FA experience.
Yes I know I read the whole thing before I posted - nothing you have regurgitated here blunts the points I made - specifically I said with respect to drop in mod to full auto:
“So, AR’s capable of being modified this way are next - exactly the same situation.”
- and obviously they are, so why try to say otherwise?
I should call you Octopus for all the black ink you squirt!
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If the facts support the allegation that Glocks stand out as the only pistols that a switch can be easily installed in to create a full-auto pistol, then i think they have a duty to change that design, especially if it's unintentional.
With CA banning Glocks over this problem, I think it's prudent for Glock to get out in front of it by announcing a solution -- at least for new production runs.
The liability of letting a firearm remain capabel of full-auto rate of fire could destroy the company.
This is not the first time a firearm design resulted in it's ban: The Tech-DC9 was simple to convert to full-auto. Many Tech-9 variants were used in mass shootings, but none were converted according to the source I saw,
Without a solution, Glock may face the same bans as Tech-9s. CA may just be the tip of the spear.
I'd wait and see if this even matters. If the V-series replaces the current pistol lines with comparable, or even better, firearms, then the company will have taken the opportunity to sell more -- not fewer -- Glocks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_switch
I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree it's the right step. Just my $0.02 that this is nothing more than an attack on the 2A and it's future.
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Clearly the intent here is to establish yet another degenerate precedent to attack the industry: If it can be modified to be what WE define as bad, it IS bad and should be made illegal.
This is the new ground they want to drag the industry on top of so they can kill it there - this is what it means to subvert, and this is what they specialize in, as we all should have known long, long ago.
I.e. the switch is totally illegal, doing the modification is totally illegal, but with this shift in the ground of the argument all that instantly becomes beside the point: The actual illegality is the the gun, because it is not designed to be unmodifiable!
Next up for them is likely the AR platform. Many versions are easily drop-in modified to full auto. Here’s just one search hit:
“Another fantastic invention that came about in the 1980s was the “Lightning Link.” Properly known as the S.W.D., Inc. Auto Connector, fewer than 900 of these were manufactured and in the NFA registry prior to May 1986. This is a drop-in part to convert a commercial AR-15 into a fully automatic firearm.”
https://www.recoilweb.com/turning-your-ar-15-into-an-m-16-150631.html
So, AR’s capable of being modified this way are next - exactly the same situation.
The first and foremost engineering priority with respect to firearms is NOT the anticipation and thwarting of all possible modifications after sale - and it never can be allowed to be. Hence if the industry doesn’t kill this evil dead, they will have us back to flintlocks.
I agree. Refer to my over 10 rd mag example that can be next.
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inserting a switch into a Glock pistol is not a modification. It's a conversion to FA that requires no modification to the original pistol.
That's different than the AR15 to M16 modification.
AR15s can have a FA BCG and still not function in FA. But, if you machine the lower reciever to accept a FA sear, then you can convert it to FA.
There are other conversion methods mentioned in your link that require no milling or modifications. Most of those were popular in the1980s, and unless the parts were properly registered by the NFA, producing or possessing more is unlawful. Also, the Lightning Link only functioned with a specific Colt AR15 bolt model SP-1 as well as a small handfull of early civilian AR15s. "After 1989, Colt added what’s known as a “High Shelf” in their lower receivers to prevent installation of a Lightning Link. These lowers can work if the shelf is milled away." Sounds like Colt was making changes in their products to prevent FA long before Glock's recent change.
With the prices of ammo today, you'd have to be financially comfortable to shoot a FA firearm. At Front Sight, I paid $40 for the privilege of doing a 30 rd mag dump. It was over in about 5 seconds! And the smoke and particles it spewed were very hard to see threw and also very irritating to my eyes. So much fun and unpleasant reactions to such a short FA experience.
The government convicted CRS Firearms for his invovlement of the auto link (similar to the above). The AFT couldn't even get it to work and yet he was convicted for FA. So I get that you're saying there's a difference between a drop in part and having to do any milling, but with the above also precedent set, I have low confidence that even if milling is involved, would there be any difference.
My statement is all speculation about the future based on current facts and the anti 2A orgs/governments invovled.
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The government convicted CRS Firearms for his invovlement of the auto link (similar to the above). The AFT couldn't even get it to work and yet he was convicted for FA. So I get that you're saying there's a difference between a drop in part and having to do any milling, but with the above also precedent set, I have low confidence that even if milling is involved, would there be any difference.
My statement is all speculation about the future based on current facts and the anti 2A orgs/governments invovled.
Absolutely!
Did we not just fight tooth and nail to stop their bill that was carefully word-crafted to cover virtually all semiauto long guns as “assault rifles” - based on their argument that they had previously successfully banned “assault pistols” - and this “closes the loop” and finally gets rid of evil “assault rifles” as should have been done back then?
I cited the example that drop in parts (no frigging milling required) already exist in other platforms like the AR, this is the low hanging fruit - but of course they don’t give a shit about drawing some proper line - QUITE THE OPPOSITE.
“All it takes is drilling a hole”, “all it takes is the swapping out of these parts,” “ all it takes is the modification of this sear in conjunction with….” on and on it will go.
They are of course not above hiring someone to create parts or methods to accomplish what they want in order to execute this strategy.
You know, just like “All we want is marriage equality” …. and next, some fag is pounding the shit out of a girl at the Olympics. Children are trans-groomed at school, and their parents are threatened with Child Protective Services if they fight it….
This is the MO - how in the hell can anyone here not grasp that?
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Absolutely!
Did we not just fight tooth and nail to stop their bill that was carefully word-crafted to cover virtually all semiauto long guns as “assault rifles” - based on their argument that they had previously successfully banned “assault pistols” - and this “closes the loop” and finally gets rid of evil “assault rifles” as should have been done back then?
Yes. The loophole argument is used every year. IIRC by the Chur of the Crossroads and the anti 2a orgs like ET/MDA.
We just beat it this past session. It was a miracle as Wakai was the vote who caused it to die. And if people don't know, Wakai is anti 2A. IDK why he changed his mind, I will assume some other backdoor deal was made for something else. Maybe his step daughter wanted to buy one? I know her and haven't had the casual convo to ask if she or her bf are gun owners. Knowing who her step dad is and that he comes by often, I have to tread lightly.
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“I overpaid to exercise my constitutional rights…”
Shut your Fudd hole
Show me where I said I overpaid.
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Yes I know I read the whole thing before I posted - nothing you have regurgitated here blunts the points I made - specifically I said with respect to drop in mod to full auto:
“So, AR’s capable of being modified this way are next - exactly the same situation.”
- and obviously they are, so why try to say otherwise?
I should call you Octopus for all the black ink you squirt!
Funny how you seem to cherry pick a few words after claiming to have read the whole thing.
You completely missed my point, Patrick. Say, "Hi!" to Sponge Bob for me.
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Funny how you seem to cherry pick a few words after claiming to have read the whole thing.
You completely missed my point, Patrick. Say, "Hi!" to Sponge Bob for me.
Like I said flapper - be straight up with people and all goes well.
Unfortunately, if you adhere to this advice you will have nothing much to say.
At least come up with a better act - this one is decomposing badly.
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I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree it's the right step. Just my $0.02 that this is nothing more than an attack on the 2A and it's future.
I never said it was anything other than an attack on 2a. The problem as i see it is CA decided to exploit a design "feature" in some Glocks that facilitate a super-easy conversion method to full-auto. That's now a fact. We know from recent history more states will jump on the band wagon as soon as their lazy-ass legislators draft a bill also banning Glocks.
Glock is being proactive by changing the designs so any new laws to ban them are moot. That's much easier to do than trying to get the lawmakers to repeal the law and no longer ban Glocks while they ignore the design update.
2A survives because Glock is making necessary changes to counter any laws having to do with switches.
2A survives because Glock doesn't stop producing Glocks. In fact, they say the new design will have improvements.
Tell me how removing the capability to insert a switch harms the Second Amendment, because I'm not seeing it.
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Like I said flapper - be straight up with people and all goes well.
Unfortunately, if you adhere to this advice you will have nothing much to say.
At least come up with a better act - this one is decomposing badly.
Your personal attacks are redundant and lame.
Give up the trolling. You're no good at it.
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The government convicted CRS Firearms for his invovlement of the auto link (similar to the above). The AFT couldn't even get it to work and yet he was convicted for FA. So I get that you're saying there's a difference between a drop in part and having to do any milling, but with the above also precedent set, I have low confidence that even if milling is involved, would there be any difference.
My statement is all speculation about the future based on current facts and the anti 2A orgs/governments invovled.
That's all true. However, a few people here want to start fights over something that, as you correctly pointed out, hasn't happened, yet -- something which may never happen.
Wasted energy.
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That's all true. However, a few people here want to start fights over something that, as you correctly pointed out, hasn't happened, yet -- something which may never happen.
Wasted energy.
Hey everyone!
This is Flap - our newest member here at Moms Demand Action!
Oh look - he brought cookies!
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The only reason full auto is illegal is because the Fudd surrender monkeys kept surrendering.
It's the granddaddy of all feature bans, and without it 90% of gun control initiatives would not be possible.
Now we are finally seeing some light at the end of the tunnel and the Fudds want to drag us back to the dark ages again.
https://youtu.be/IjoiXYSyNk8
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Hey everyone!
This is Flap - our newest member here at Moms Demand Action!
Oh look - he brought cookies!
Sure we agree on most things.
I’ll work on my temper - it’s not productive.
Keep working on it. I'm not seeing any results so far.
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That's all true. However, a few people here want to start fights over something that, as you correctly pointed out, hasn't happened, yet -- something which may never happen.
Wasted energy.
I'm thinking decades from now. The anti 2a are good at the long game. Look at how many gun laws were passed since the 60's to now. Each step of the way, I'm sure some gun owners said "yeah, that makes sense".
That's why I brought up another example of a 15rd mag. Gun makers would have to redesign the gun. 1 that only fits a 10rd mag and 1 that fits above that.
I assume the CA law has a grandfather clause. But what happens if one just doesn't want the gun anymore. They can't sell it, so that's lost money. Or 1 can't hand it down to their kids, etc...What happens if CA makes a law for existing Glocks or like to have a "featureless" thing like how they do with semi-auto rifles.
IMO, it's not just a ban on any gun that can fit the switch. It's 1 more ban that's 1 more step to less 2A rights.
I often use the example if all gun makers, accessories said "we wont sell to any LEO agency unless their voters can buy it", then there won't be as many gun laws as there are today. Because the LEO agencies would tell politicians to not ban things.
If we use HI's AWB bans as proof, then some years the ban had a grandfather clause, others they didn't. Same with rifle mags. Add to that the non-transferability due to death of the owner. Then add in if Bruen didn't happen or the total disregard for Bruen like how HI made sensitive places, then what's to stop states like CA, HI from banning much more than just a gun that can fit a switch. No grandfather clause because HI will say "F-U, sue us".
The above is my opinion and you have yours. I'm just elaborating more on why I have this opinion. I'll end it here. Thank you for your views.
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I'm thinking decades from now. The anti 2a are good at the long game. Look at how many gun laws were passed since the 60's to now. Each step of the way, I'm sure some gun owners said "yeah, that makes sense".
That's why I brought up another example of a 15rd mag. Gun makers would have to redesign the gun. 1 that only fits a 10rd mag and 1 that fits above that.
I assume the CA law has a grandfather clause. But what happens if one just doesn't want the gun anymore. They can't sell it, so that's lost money. Or 1 can't hand it down to their kids, etc...What happens if CA makes a law for existing Glocks or like to have a "featureless" thing like how they do with semi-auto rifles.
IMO, it's not just a ban on any gun that can fit the switch. It's 1 more ban that's 1 more step to less 2A rights.
I often use the example if all gun makers, accessories said "we wont sell to any LEO agency unless their voters can buy it", then there won't be as many gun laws as there are today. Because the LEO agencies would tell politicians to not ban things.
If we use HI's AWB bans as proof, then some years the ban had a grandfather clause, others they didn't. Same with rifle mags. Add to that the non-transferability due to death of the owner. Then add in if Bruen didn't happen or the total disregard for Bruen like how HI made sensitive places, then what's to stop states like CA, HI from banning much more than just a gun that can fit a switch. No grandfather clause because HI will say "F-U, sue us".
The above is my opinion and you have yours. I'm just elaborating more on why I have this opinion. I'll end it here. Thank you for your views.
Maybe your opinion is based on assumptions, not facts:
The law, which takes effect Jan. 1, bars firearms dealers from
selling Glock-style handguns.
It includes exemptions for law enforcement officials, and private
party sales of the weapons will remain legal.
Dealers will be permitted to sell Glock-style guns they received prior to Jan. 1.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/10/14/california-gov-gavin-newsom-signs-law-banning-glock-pistols/86685136007/
It's not what you assumed/thought. Private sales will be allowed.
Dealers can stock up before Jan 1, 2026, and be allowed to sell all the Glocks they have in stock.
There's no ban/confiscation of Glocks already in owners' hands.
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Keep working on it. I'm not seeing any results so far.
Whose mad?
Your shtick is now sport for me.
For those unfamiliar with this word:
shtick
/shtĭk/
noun
1. A characteristic attribute, talent, or trait that is helpful in securing recognition or attention.
"waiters in tropical attire are part of the restaurant's shtick."
2. An entertainment routine or gimmick.
3. A person's special talent, line of business, or habitual activity.
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Fits exactly, he’s employing it now in the above exchange. One side serious and straightforward, the other side flapping away.
Where he can’t find a point to attack, he’ll simply misrepresent what poster says, then attack that, or simply skip misrepresenting and post a cloud of words which add up to the same implication.
When he gets pinned down, he simply changes the subject.
All to what end? Who knows, but there it is.
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Maybe your opinion is based on assumptions, not facts:
It's not what you assumed/thought. Private sales will be allowed.
Dealers can stock up before Jan 1, 2026, and be allowed to sell all the Glocks they have in stock.
There's no ban/confiscation of Glocks already in owners' hands.
Thanks for correcting my assumption. At least it's just dealers. Still bad, but could be worst.
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Thanks for correcting my assumption. At least it's just dealers. Still bad, but could be worst.
Is that your new opinion?
i don't mind people challenging my opinion if I'm not current on the issue. But there's too much backstabbing here over assumptions and things that haven't happened to do nothing more than create more drama than is necessary -- or constructive.
Not you, of course. You're always quick to admit when you got the details wrong. Others, however, don't care about the facts. They only care about their feelings and attacking people based on pure emotions.
i bet they didn't already know what I posted to you before flying off the handle at me. Let's see if they are mature enough to admit it.
"Now we are finally seeing some light at the end of the tunnel and the Fudds want to drag us back to the dark ages again."
Rhetorical nonsense. The US didn't exist in the Dark Ages. Just emotional, hyperbolic garbage meant to incite more emotional, nonsensical responses.
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The objective of civilian disarmament is mass murder.
Either you understand history or you trust the government.
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Whose mad?
Your shtick is now sport for me.
For those unfamiliar with this word:
shtick
/shtĭk/
noun
1. A characteristic attribute, talent, or trait that is helpful in securing recognition or attention.
"waiters in tropical attire are part of the restaurant's shtick."
2. An entertainment routine or gimmick.
3. A person's special talent, line of business, or habitual activity.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition • More at Wordnik
Fits exactly, he’s employing it now in the above exchange. One side serious and straightforward, the other side flapping away.
Where he can’t find a point to attack, he’ll simply misrepresent what poster says, then attack that, or simply skip misrepresenting and post a cloud of words which add up to the same implication.
When he gets pinned down, he simply changes the subject.
All to what end? Who knows, but there it is.
Wrong.
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The objective of civilian disarmament is mass murder.
Either you understand history or you trust the government.
I understand history.
I do not trust government.
Do you have a point? Or are you just posting what pops into your head with no actual relevance to this issue?
There's no civilian disarmament in the Glock ban law. If I'm wrong, please point it out.
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There's no civilian disarmament in the Glock ban law.
There it is. The dumbest thing I've read all day.
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There it is. The dumbest thing I've read all day.
Yes post after post of minutiae, all carefully avoiding the stark reality that, after encountering such resistance from the 2A community against direct attempts to kill the industry, they are now pushing the argument that if the firearm can be illegally modified, then solely by virtue of that illegal action being possible to perform on the firearm, that firearm is thereby judged intrinsically illegal itself. Mind boggling mendacity.
… and some say
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRfa5pp68P4
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Is that your new opinion?
The only thing about my opions that changed above is my concern for beneficiaries or financial lost for current Glock owners since there is no restirction on them as it's limited to dealers only.
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The only thing about my opions that changed above is my concern for beneficiaries or financial lost for current Glock owners since there is no restirction on them as it's limited to dealers only.
I'd say that's a pretty significant difference.
I'm waiting for the reviews on the new V models.
i hope they include some ergonomics this time!! :geekdanc:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLBhNxEOERI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nBajOOWA0M
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zqAOkdA18A
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Discontinued Commercial Pistol Models
G17 – Gen4
G17 MOS – Gen4 | Gen5
G17L – Classic | Gen3
G17L MOS – Gen5
G19 – Gen4
G19 MOS – Gen4
G20 – Gen3 | Gen4
G21 – Gen3 | Gen4
G21SF
G22 – Gen3 | Gen4 | Gen5
G22 MOS – Gen5
G23 – Gen4
G24
G26 – Gen4
G27 – Gen3 | Gen 4 | Gen5
G29 – Gen3 | Gen 4 | Gen5
G29SF
G30 – Gen3 | Gen 4 | Gen5
G31 – Gen3 | Gen4
G32 – Gen3 | Gen4
G33 – Gen3 | Gen4
G34 – Gen3 | Gen4
G34 MOS – Gen4 | Gen5
G35 – Gen3 | Gen4
G35 MOS – Gen4
G36
G36 FGR
G37 – Gen3 | Gen4
G38
G39
G40 MOS – Gen4
G41 – Gen4
G41 MOS – Gen4
G49
https://us.glock.com/en/discontinued-models
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ATF info on Machinegun Conversion Devices (MCD):
https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdok/media/1366621/dl?inline
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zqAOkdA18A
At the 9.45 minute mark he quotes Brandon Herrera on the Timcast show saying that “if you give him a V-series, within two weeks he will be able to make a switch or conversion for it.” - of course this is true, not only of Glocks, but likely many semiauto platforms.
The industry has got to get ahead of this politically/legislatively, as the usual Communist states are going all the way here.
Also, if you believe that they will not ultimately try to go after legacy Glocks in private hands - after having already declared them “readily convertible to machine pistols,” as currently produced by the manufacturer, well, putting it kindly, you are willfully deceiving yourself.
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Also, if you believe that they will not ultimately try to go after legacy Glocks in private hands - after having already declared them “readily convertible to machine pistols,” as currently produced by the manufacturer, well, putting it kindly, you are willfully deceiving yourself.
that's some scary shit right there. Glocks have become ubiquitous, they've become "Common Usage".
i would suspect there's more Glocks out there in civilian hands, than 1911's.
I wonder how this will affect Glock clones? like the PSA Dagger (G19 clone)? my guess, similarly to be discontinued due to liability concerns.
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that's some scary shit right there. Glocks have become ubiquitous, they've become "Common Usage".
i would suspect there's more Glocks out there in civilian hands, than 1911's.
I wonder how this will affect Glock clones? like the PSA Dagger (G19 clone)? my guess, similarly to be discontinued due to liability concerns.
For sure - I’m a revolver guy and I own two Glocks.
It’s a coalition of malignant states (our tax dollars in Hawaii go to funding it all) driving this - like the Confederacy. None of these states willingly uphold the 2A, and they would pursue civilian disarmament if given the chance, so obviously this is not just some isolated assault on Glock …
BTW in the video he references much earlier lawsuits of this type against Remington, which succeeded in bankrupting them, so the current instance is their next stage assault building off of past atrocities - which of course is who they are.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLBhNxEOERI
Many thanks macsak for posting these!
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For sure - I’m a revolver guy and I own two Glocks.
It’s a coalition of malignant states (our tax dollars in Hawaii go to funding it all) driving this - like the Confederacy. None of these states willingly uphold the 2A, and they would pursue civilian disarmament if given the chance, so obviously this is not just some isolated assault on Glock …
BTW in the video he references much earlier lawsuits of this type against Remington, which succeeded in bankrupting them, so the current instance is their next stage assault building off of past atrocities - which of course is who they are.
This. That's why I feel Glock giving in sets a dangerous precedent. They have the deep pockets for a lawsuit and the political power. Refer to all my above of what they should do and other gun companies.
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“readily convertible to machine pistols,” as currently produced by the manufacturer"
Does that make my legacy Glock more valuable ? :wacko:
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This. That's why I feel Glock giving in sets a dangerous precedent. They have the deep pockets for a lawsuit and the political power. Refer to all my above of what they should do and other gun companies.
Yep - totally agree with all you’ve said & especially
“I often use the example if all gun makers, accessories said "we wont sell to any LEO agency unless their voters can buy it", then there won't be as many gun laws as there are today. Because the LEO agencies would tell politicians to not ban things.”
Time to go to war with them. These states (especially CA) bank on their market share insulating them from repercussions, however, at this point the industry looks like it stands to loose much more by acquiescing than by striking back. In the end, they may only be able to sell to the LE departments of these states (of course their enforcers must be fed), not their citizens.
The key is that it has to be the industry as a whole - matching this block of treasonous states - that takes this on. Refuse sales & service like Barrett, etc.
This is clearly the new front in their war against us.
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“readily convertible to machine pistols,” as currently produced by the manufacturer"
Does that make my legacy Glock more valuable ? :wacko:
Yeah for sure - but in the end you probably will have to have lost it in a very unfortunate boating accident ….
8)
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So far the AFT recently hasn't designated a firearm itself as a machine gun. But they have designated a bump stock, a key card, and triggers as such. ANd with the Key Card, they even went as far as a drawing of the part is a machine gun as that's what the auto link is. It's a drawing, you still have to cut it out (CRS Firearms situation). Then they couldn't even get it to work.
We may not see Glocks being banned today, but maybe down the road, depending on who's the POTUS.
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So far the AFT recently hasn't designated a firearm itself as a machine gun. But they have designated a bump stock, a key card, and triggers as such. ANd with the Key Card, they even went as far as a drawing of the part is a machine gun as that's what the auto link is. It's a drawing, you still have to cut it out (CRS Firearms situation). Then they couldn't even get it to work.
We may not see Glocks being banned today, but maybe down the road, depending on who's the POTUS.
Sure, but within these traitor states, anything is possible at any time - as shown right here right now: If it can be modified, they will try to ban it - that future is here today. They’ve taken all need to speculate about their agenda out of the equation, right up front.
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I was considering a PDP anyways, this has me thinking more about that. Mostly joking, but somewhat serious. :rofl:
Aside, recall similar with ARs and the “ledge” that blocks the installation or use of FA sear.
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I was considering a PDP anyways, this has me thinking more about that. Mostly joking, but somewhat serious. :rofl:
Aside, recall similar with ARs and the “ledge” that blocks the installation or use of FA sear.
Is Jedi rubbing off on you?
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Is Jedi rubbing off on you?
Actually no. His class was good info/experience, but nothing to do with consideration of PDP.
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This. That's why I feel Glock giving in sets a dangerous precedent. They have the deep pockets for a lawsuit and the political power. Refer to all my above of what they should do and other gun companies.
Glock isn't facing one lawsuit, there's many, and will be dozens more. I'm sure Hawaii would've passed a California type law next year or jump into the lawsuits. Going to be the same with the V so they just kicked the can down the road.
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Glock isn't facing one lawsuit, there's many, and will be dozens more. I'm sure Hawaii would've passed a California type law next year or jump into the lawsuits. Going to be the same with the V so they just kicked the can down the road.
^^THIS^^!
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Speaking of the Democrat Party’s Confederacy 2.0,
dig this!
Illinois Attorney General Kwame Raoul is calling for a federal appeals court to reimplement gun control provisions in Hawaii.
https://www.myjournalcourier.com/news/article/kwame-raoul-calls-court-restore-hawaii-gun-21118196.php
The states of the Confederacy 2.0:
California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, the District of Columbia, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington
This time they are not contiguous, and all are wonderlands of suicidal government policies, so they will ultimately off themselves and decompose, but not before destroying a good chunk of their citizens.
Good thing it’s still possible to separate yourself from them … would much rather remove the malignancy from the state tho …
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Speaking of the Democrat Party’s Confederacy 2.0,
dig this!
Illinois Attorney General Kwame Raoul is calling for a federal appeals court to reimplement gun control provisions in Hawaii.
https://www.myjournalcourier.com/news/article/kwame-raoul-calls-court-restore-hawaii-gun-21118196.php
The states of the Confederacy 2.0:
California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, the District of Columbia, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington
This time they are not contiguous, and all are wonderlands of suicidal government policies, so they will ultimately off themselves and decompose, but not before destroying a good chunk of their citizens.
Good thing it’s still possible to separate yourself from them … would much rather remove the malignancy from the state tho …
The coalition argues that such provisions do not constrain Second Amendment rights.
These are highly educated people who most of them are lawyers with years of legal experience.
How can they offer this argument? After Bruen, these types of arguments are no longer allowed.
The Court granted certiorari in
New York State Rifle & Pistol Ass’n v. Bruen, 597 U.S. 1 (2022) to establish
the proper test for determining whether a firearm regulation is
constitutional. This test is based on U.S. history and tradition rather than
varying levels of judicial scrutiny.
https://scholarship.law.uwyo.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1518&context=wlr
To conclude "that such provisions do not constrain Second Amendment rights" requires that a judgement call is necessary, which is the definition of "varying levels of judicial scrutiny."
If there is no historical analog or tradition that existed in the time the 2nd Amendment was adopted which is analogous to the proposed law, then it doesn't matter whether or not the gun control zealots believe that it does or doesn't constrain Second Amendment rights.
They are still using arguments that worked in the past. They need to get with the times!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQNYDNzaXGg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRpQe-WlVWU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuSMvBi9QM8
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbKierCStys
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88DWOsuV28U
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FFL's with SOT license and others are posting pics of the switch fitting. Unsure if it's functional or not.
So if it is functional, wouldn't the V be banned in CA also under current law? Which would mean all this for nothing besides a CYA for liability on Glocks side.
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FFL's with SOT license and others are posting pics of the switch fitting. Unsure if it's functional or not.
So if it is functional, wouldn't the V be banned in CA also under current law? Which would mean all this for nothing besides a CYA for liability on Glocks side.
Yes it’s really interesting - the modifications were really modest - as if they were primarily concerned with making sure the V models are to be perceived as every bit the Glock that the first one made was - which is highly understandable of course - while on the other hand showing that they were responding to the alleged vulnerabilities the design had to the existing illegal switches.
Maybe the strategy is to buy time / legal space, as they aren’t really “capitulating” - still a cruciform trigger bar in there…
Ultimately - to exterminate this legal fraud / extortion - this fight has to be elevated out of the court system via industry-protective legislation. It’s the only way.
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An online shop that does gun work (slide milling, grip stippling, cerakote etc) did some videos where he did slide & grip interchange with Gen 5. They fit and passed function checks. He didn’t test fire though, it seemed interesting that the tops and bottoms could bd swapped and seemingly function.
I have 3 guns from that shop, but don’t think I’ll be buying a V model any time soon.
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Aaaaand there's a switch for it now
Not even a week after it was released
That's got to be some kind of record
https://youtu.be/0tkYRa79hWU
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Aaaaand there's a switch for it now
Not even a week after it was released
That's got to be some kind of record
https://youtu.be/0tkYRa79hWU
“We knew, we knew from day one: Half and hour, some hand tools and a couple of brewskies, and we’re puttin a ghetto button on that fucking thing”
A quote for the ages!
Thanks for posting this dude!
Nice to know my read of the planet is still kinda Ok.