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Title: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: ren on January 27, 2026, 07:49:51 PM
https://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii-lawmakers-to-consider-placard-program-for-firearms/article_17426102-d859-4096-9d01-b60205a5a673.html

The signs would be provided by the state and it would be illegal to operate a business without the placard. An organization against gun violence said although people have the right to carry a weapon, that could lead to more tragedies.

"This is about our local culture and we are now bending over backwards for an incredibly small proportion of the population who wants to carry a concealed weapon and wants to be able to do it wherever they want to, whenever they want to," said Chris Marvin, Everytown for Gun Safety. "They want to eat their meals with it. They want to shop with it. Look they can have guns, that's their second amendment right, but let's be responsible with it."

Legislators are expected to introduce more gun-related bills by the Wednesday deadline.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: notMYguns on January 27, 2026, 09:01:55 PM
Businesses wont let this happen, they wont risk losing customers for leaning one way or the other.

The one I'm worried about is the stupid bill that would require CCW holders to also carry a taser.  At that point im going battle belt daily cuz how tf am I supposed to conceal a pistol AND a taser lol
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: 4C5S on January 27, 2026, 09:35:46 PM
This bill, SB 3041, in its present form would be unconstitutional by violating 1A. The gov’t cannot compel any person to speak. Period.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: QUIETShooter on January 27, 2026, 09:54:45 PM
Stupid is what Stupid does.

Well, whaddya know:  Stupid is what Hawaii does.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: zippz on January 27, 2026, 10:29:04 PM
Don't think business owners would want it as 37% of residents are Republican.  A Republican/gun owners boycott of "red" stores would cripple them.

And why is guns allowed red?  Shouldn't it mean green as in go?
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: Kalihi Uka on January 27, 2026, 10:31:48 PM
https://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii-lawmakers-to-consider-placard-program-for-firearms/article_17426102-d859-4096-9d01-b60205a5a673.html

The signs would be provided by the state and it would be illegal to operate a business without the placard. An organization against gun violence said although people have the right to carry a weapon, that could lead to more tragedies.

"This is about our local culture and we are now bending over backwards for an incredibly small proportion of the population who wants to carry a concealed weapon and wants to be able to do it wherever they want to, whenever they want to," said Chris Marvin, Everytown for Gun Safety. "They want to eat their meals with it. They want to shop with it. Look they can have guns, that's their second amendment right, but let's be responsible with it."

Legislators are expected to introduce more gun-related bills by the Wednesday deadline.

Seems like they’ve figured out that arguing Hawaii is still a kingdom, and that laws keeping blacks from carrying firearms from the Democrat party’s KKK days, are not quite persuasive in the modern age …..

Honestly - we all knew this was coming.  But there is no way they can force anyone to put no gun placards up.

Fascists will be fascists - even as they call the rest of America fascist.

These commie coconuts won’t stop until this rock is completely unpopulated thanks to them, and the last two will then eat each other.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: Kalihi Uka on January 27, 2026, 10:36:04 PM
Businesses wont let this happen, they wont risk losing customers for leaning one way or the other.

The one I'm worried about is the stupid bill that would require CCW holders to also carry a taser.  At that point im going battle belt daily cuz how tf am I supposed to conceal a pistol AND a taser lol
Taser a Hawaii legislator - it’s good clean fun.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: Kalihi Uka on January 27, 2026, 10:52:52 PM
Anyway, concealed is concealed, amiright?


















Just kidding
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: hvybarrels on January 27, 2026, 11:03:26 PM
Imagine the ainokea permit guys laughing at us right now for getting all worked up over this stuff


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Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: Kalihi Uka on January 27, 2026, 11:31:03 PM
Imagine the ainokea permit guys laughing at us right now for getting all worked up over this stuff


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Shhhhh

Some commie coconuts might read what you said about all the ainokea guys wiping their ass on whatever trash the coconuts produce at the leg.

They’ll have to listen to an audiotape of Obama reading his book that someone else wrote for him in order to get to sleep tonight.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: oldfart on January 28, 2026, 06:58:05 AM
This is a good idea because people ALWAYS read and obey signs. .. :rofl:
Just look at all the speed limit signs on the freeway.
 :shake:
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 28, 2026, 07:06:51 AM
I have a high feeling this will pass and 99% of businesses will ban guns due to the constant fake news stigma on guns.

The state doesnt care if it's compelled speech or whatever. We've seen them lie about the sensitive places bill and not care at all.

FUCK YOU, SUE US is their motto.

But we still need to all testify and do our part, or no grumble later.  Even if you're not a CCW holder.  "it doesn't affect me" isn't an excuse to not testify on all attacks on our 2A right.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: QUIETShooter on January 28, 2026, 07:20:15 AM
Anyway, concealed is concealed, amiright?


















Just kidding

Yes.

Don't ask, don't tell.

Of course, no one here does anything illegal, right?

That doesn't mean we have to be forced to do something stupid.  Even Forest Gump knows that.

And even when Forest knows the malady of being stupid, imagine what kind of people we have there sitting in that building on Beretania St.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: Kalihi Uka on January 28, 2026, 08:53:50 AM
I have a high feeling this will pass and 99% of businesses will ban guns due to the constant fake news stigma on guns.

The state doesnt care if it's compelled speech or whatever. We've seen them lie about the sensitive places bill and not care at all.

FUCK YOU, SUE US is their motto.

But we still need to all testify and do our part, or no grumble later.  Even if you're not a CCW holder.  "it doesn't affect me" isn't an excuse to not testify on all attacks on our 2A right.
All true.

Communist control makes a place extremely dangerous for all human beings, especially anti-communist ones.

However this is our land, not theirs.  They are the alien species.  No one here today was born a slave, as they demand we submit to.

All of them should need to be expunged from this place, preferably from 10,000 feet, and over the ocean (to break their fall of course).

In the meantime, fight, fight, fight.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 28, 2026, 09:39:33 AM
I have a high feeling this will pass and 99% of businesses will ban guns due to the constant fake news stigma on guns.

The state doesnt care if it's compelled speech or whatever. We've seen them lie about the sensitive places bill and not care at all.

FUCK YOU, SUE US is their motto.

But we still need to all testify and do our part, or no grumble later.  Even if you're not a CCW holder.  "it doesn't affect me" isn't an excuse to not testify on all attacks on our 2A right.
IF this passes, I wonder how many acts of violence in places advertising they only want disarmed customers and employees will be needed before businesses start removing signs in spite of any legal consequences?  "Today's Special: Fish in a Barrel."  "Daily Special: Safe Work Environment for Criminals."

Also, if a place advertises they don't want you defending yourself, how long before they are sued for not having sufficient security on site during business hours to protect all customers and employees?  There should be libility consequences should anyone be injured or murdered while disarmed by that business.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: hvybarrels on January 28, 2026, 09:50:45 AM
IF this passes, I wonder how many acts of violence in places advertising they only want disarmed customers and employees will be needed before businesses start removing signs in spite of any legal consequences?  "Today's Special: Fish in a Barrel."  "Daily Special: Safe Work Environment for Criminals."

Also, if a place advertises they don't want you defending yourself, how long before they are sued for not having sufficient security on site during business hours to protect all customers and employees?  There should be libility consequences should anyone be injured or murdered while disarmed by that business.

“This establishment has been marked SAFE for robbery”
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: QUIETShooter on January 28, 2026, 09:57:39 AM
Let's all stay home.

The businesses will be screaming.

The politicians will be backpedaling and pointing finger at each other.

And the criminals?  They going do what they going do.  They don't follow laws anyway.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 28, 2026, 10:08:23 AM
Let's all stay home.

The businesses will be screaming.

The politicians will be backpedaling and pointing finger at each other.


This won't work. The 2A community, let alone CCW holders isn't that big to make an impact.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: Kalihi Uka on January 28, 2026, 10:18:42 AM
It’s important to remember that businesses can do this already.  The C&C already has long had printable templates up at its sensitive places site ….

https://www.oneoahu.org/sensitive-places

… so how often do you see these at private businesses?

Pretty much not at all, so it’s reasonable for citizens to assume that there is no organic business community fever to get into this with their customers.  Businesses pretty much hate these .gov oppressors in the first place, so if it happens it will happen by tyranny & pressure campaign only - illegitimate in both spirit and act.

For myself, AIWB concealed is totally concealed.

I would patronize those who don’t play the commie’s game, everywhere I could - avoid those that like to lick the jack boot.

Outside of that, not much else would change.  No business has the right to conduct a body search, and I would never give anyone probable cause to even want to do so in the first place if I wander off track somehow.

I have a lockbox in my truck for when I have to use it (.gov buildings, hospitals, etc.).

In the end, I will under no circumstances let their fervent desire to have me be an easy target for their catch-and-release violent crime brigade, impinge upon my ability to defend myself or others, if necessary.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: Kalihi Uka on January 28, 2026, 10:23:46 AM
This won't work. The 2A community, let alone CCW holders isn't that big to make an impact.
Your point is well taken, but it’s really important to remember that there are over something like 2 million firearms registered in Hawaii - our community is actually not small at all.

We backed down the legislature with our voice - there’s a ton of us.  We could push back at the business level extremely hard (with aloha of course) if we choose to.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: oldfart on January 28, 2026, 12:08:19 PM
I'm thinking that this might be a decoy tactic.
Keep an eye out for something going in the back door.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: hvybarrels on January 28, 2026, 01:03:44 PM
Your point is well taken, but it’s really important to remember that there are over something like 2 million firearms registered in Hawaii - our community is actually not small at all.

We backed down the legislature with our voice - there’s a ton of us.  We could push back at the business level extremely hard (with aloha of course) if we choose to.

The Democrats decimated the small business community with their totalitarian covid response

Mom and pops are closing faster than they are opening. Even a small dip in numbers would turn the mini malls into ghost towns.

There's no economic wiggle room for enforced political stances.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: Kalihi Uka on January 28, 2026, 01:58:35 PM
The Democrats decimated the small business community with their totalitarian covid response

Mom and pops are closing faster than they are opening. Even a small dip in numbers would turn the mini malls into ghost towns.

There's no economic wiggle room for enforced political stances.
Exactly!

They are ALL hurtin bad.

Seems commies are rather poor at that whole “economics” thing.

Could have something to do with why they repeatedly get plowed under the soil to complete “the circle of life”, so to speak.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 28, 2026, 02:22:06 PM
The Democrats decimated the small business community with their totalitarian covid response

Mom and pops are closing faster than they are opening. Even a small dip in numbers would turn the mini malls into ghost towns.

There's no economic wiggle room for enforced political stances.

This would be good testimony that every customer matters.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: QUIETShooter on January 28, 2026, 03:12:03 PM
Don't forget to put up your PLACARD!!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms0gX1acU24
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: Kalihi Uka on January 28, 2026, 04:41:03 PM
Don't forget to put up your PLACARD!!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms0gX1acU24
Perfect
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: mrgaf on January 29, 2026, 05:23:29 PM
Taser a Hawaii legislator - it’s good clean fun.

That is a shocking twist but a grand idea…. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: oldfart on January 30, 2026, 02:52:24 AM
Don't forget to put up your PLACARD!!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
...
Oh, I saw that on the news.
I used to work next door to that place.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 30, 2026, 07:26:59 AM
Don't forget to put up your PLACARD!!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms0gX1acU24

Going off topic, but the vicitim had opportunity to grab the gun.  And at that time, the 2nd bad guy hadn't walked in yet.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: rpoL98 on February 04, 2026, 09:45:38 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/lUhwK9N.jpg)
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: Teichi on February 04, 2026, 09:51:31 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/lUhwK9N.jpg)
No Beretta 92s? I better go with the S&W.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: QUIETShooter on February 04, 2026, 09:57:16 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/lUhwK9N.jpg)

Revolvers ok....... ;)
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on February 04, 2026, 11:35:07 PM
Revolvers ok....... ;)
I think a case could easily be made that the sign is at ankle level, not eye level.  Hours of operation are one thing, but a sign that can get you arrested for a felony and have your 2A rights revoked ought to be afforded a bit more prominence.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: QUIETShooter on February 05, 2026, 07:18:11 AM
I think a case could easily be made that the sign is at ankle level, not eye level.  Hours of operation are one thing, but a sign that can get you arrested for a felony and have your 2A rights revoked ought to be afforded a bit more prominence.

That's the first thing I noticed, and I told myself, "self", why is that placard placed so low, I hardly look down there.

And then I noticed their business hours are at that level also, LOL! :rofl:

Again, people like me with bad attitudes toward hawaii's unconstitutional gun laws would think they are trying to set us up.

Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: Kalihi Uka on February 05, 2026, 07:35:38 AM
I think a case could easily be made that the sign is at ankle level, not eye level.  Hours of operation are one thing, but a sign that can get you arrested for a felony and have your 2A rights revoked ought to be afforded a bit more prominence.
Definitely.

My question is, how in the hell could this even be enforced?

They cannot conduct a body search for a lawfully concealed handgun, under any circumstances.

LE can, with probable cause, but if properly concealed, there is no probable cause.

On the other hand, violent criminals will see this and conclude they own every sheep in that there stall….

These totalitarian fiends will all burn, in the end.

They make criminals of the decent and law abiding, and do literally everything possible to shield and reward criminals who would slit their throats and rape their women in front of them.

They walk around with “Exterminate Me” written on their faces.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: QUIETShooter on February 05, 2026, 07:37:30 AM
I wouldn't be surprised that these places include training of their employees on how to detect firearm printing, spotting, etc.

So they can notify Honolulu's Finest.

Good sheeple.  Nice sheeple.  You are a good boy! (panting.....) :rofl:
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on February 05, 2026, 08:03:58 AM
Definitely.

My question is, how in the hell could this even be enforced?

They cannot conduct a body search for a lawfully concealed handgun, under any circumstances.

LE can, with probable cause, but if properly concealed, there is no probable cause.

On the other hand, violent criminals will see this and conclude they own every sheep in that there stall….

These totalitarian fiends will all burn, in the end.

They make criminals of the decent and law abiding, and do literally everything possible to shield and reward criminals who would slit their throats and rape their women in front of them.

They walk around with “Exterminate Me” written on their faces.

People detect concealed firearms all the time.  In the restroom where the gun owner is adjusting his clothes, in a dining room where someone gets a glimpse of the gun or holster -- or just the outline -- as the owner bent to sit which pulled their clothes tighter on their body, or in the parking lot as the owner transferred the weapon from the car where they like to have it handy to their holster as they stand in the car doorway (easier to holster a pistol while not sitting on the holster).  Then there's the paranoid staff members who are always scoping for unusual bulges where holsters are normally positioned so they can have the manager call 911.  If the employee was wrong, no harm, no foul,  Give the customer a comped meal or a few drinks, and the mistake is forgotten.  If they were right, instant employee of the month!   :wacko:

Not printing isn't something that's permanent.  Just because you weren't printing when you last checked in a mirror doesn't mean your gun's outline isn't obvious for a brief instant while reaching for your wallet or bending to tie your shoe.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: Kalihi Uka on February 05, 2026, 08:08:03 AM
I wouldn't be surprised that these places include training of their employees on how to detect firearm printing, spotting, etc.

So they can notify Honolulu's Finest.

Good sheeple.  Nice sheeple.  You are a good boy! (panting.....) :rofl:
I think it just means no more black-camo backpack, etc., off-body carry.

On body concealed like AIWB, etc. is the only way to go about your business if this passes, until it too is incinerated in the court system.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 05, 2026, 08:12:49 AM
Definitely.

My question is, how in the hell could this even be enforced?

They cannot conduct a body search for a lawfully concealed handgun, under any circumstances.

LE can, with probable cause, but if properly concealed, there is no probable cause.

On the other hand, violent criminals will see this and conclude they own every sheep in that there stall….

These totalitarian fiends will all burn, in the end.

They make criminals of the decent and law abiding, and do literally everything possible to shield and reward criminals who would slit their throats and rape their women in front of them.

They walk around with “Exterminate Me” written on their faces.

It would be enforced if you use your firearm.  If you had a medical emergency and EMS does a search before taking  you to the hospital as that's their SOP, you have a medical emergency and your on the floor and your shirt is lifted up, if someone does a hold up and HPD interviews all patrons (law states you're required to notify them), etc....

Or say your detained for X reason after you leave in the parking lot or use your firearm in the parking lot or mall area outside. HPD interviews/interrogates you and you ask where else you've been to prior to this.  Or if you keep quiet as you should (5th amendment), an over zealous prosecutor reviews security cameras and at no time does it show you disarmed in your car.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on February 05, 2026, 08:17:51 AM
It would be enforced if you use your firearm.  If you had a medical emergency and EMS does a search before taking  you to the hospital as that's their SOP, you have a medical emergency and your on the floor and your shirt is lifted up, if someone does a hold up and HPD interviews all patrons (law states you're required to notify them), etc....

All the more reason to not patronize those establishments displaying "WE ARE ALL VOLUNTARILY DISARMED" signs.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: macsak on February 05, 2026, 08:28:25 AM
this is not proof...

It would be enforced if you use your firearm.  If you had a medical emergency and EMS does a search before taking  you to the hospital as that's their SOP, you have a medical emergency and your on the floor and your shirt is lifted up, if someone does a hold up and HPD interviews all patrons (law states you're required to notify them), etc....

Or say your detained for X reason after you leave in the parking lot or use your firearm in the parking lot or mall area outside. HPD interviews/interrogates you and you ask where else you've been to prior to this.  Or if you keep quiet as you should (5th amendment), an over zealous prosecutor reviews security cameras and at no time does it show you disarmed in your car.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: Kalihi Uka on February 05, 2026, 08:31:49 AM
It would be enforced if you use your firearm.  If you had a medical emergency and EMS does a search before taking  you to the hospital as that's their SOP, you have a medical emergency and your on the floor and your shirt is lifted up, if someone does a hold up and HPD interviews all patrons (law states you're required to notify them), etc....

Or say your detained for X reason after you leave in the parking lot or use your firearm in the parking lot or mall area outside. HPD interviews/interrogates you and you ask where else you've been to prior to this.  Or if you keep quiet as you should (5th amendment), an over zealous prosecutor reviews security cameras and at no time does it show you disarmed in your car.
Sure I get that.

The last thing I will allow is for these stone-age communists to ruin my life via aggressive violation of my constitutional rights as an American citizen.

Which brings up a much larger and much more serious question:

How safe are you and your family here?

I mean seriously.

These fiends unambiguously see all residents here as subjects, vassals, without constitutional rights.

For example, on any day you can wake up and discover your property is now worthless due to some ordinance a lunatic has crafted under the influence of some demonic delusion, etc.

A seemingly endless train of examples of their contempt for U.S. law and property rights - going back decades, is all out there, we just don’t want to think about it.

But denial is no longer an option as we have watched this particular incident play out.

Time to wake up and smell they lawless tyranny.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on February 05, 2026, 08:50:19 AM
It would be enforced if you use your firearm.  If you had a medical emergency and EMS does a search before taking  you to the hospital as that's their SOP, you have a medical emergency and your on the floor and your shirt is lifted up, if someone does a hold up and HPD interviews all patrons (law states you're required to notify them), etc....

Or say your detained for X reason after you leave in the parking lot or use your firearm in the parking lot or mall area outside. HPD interviews/interrogates you and you ask where else you've been to prior to this.  Or if you keep quiet as you should (5th amendment), an over zealous prosecutor reviews security cameras and at no time does it show you disarmed in your car.
i think the prosecutor would also need video or eye witness evidence that you were armed before entering the parking lot.  There's no need to disarm upon arrival unless you were armed before arrival.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 05, 2026, 09:03:21 AM
i think the prosecutor would also need video or eye witness evidence that you were armed before entering the parking lot.  There's no need to disarm upon arrival unless you were armed before arrival.

That's why it all depends on how far back the prosecution wants to trace your steps.  I have a friend with a business and if you park head first into the stalls infront his store, his cameras can see very clearly the driver and passenger seats.

So to elaborate on the last example, you left the gun free establishment and had to use your firearm in the parking lot or had a medical emergency in the parking lot outside of your car.  That means you must have been armed when leaving the business, thus armed when entering and while in there.

Even if there are no cameras that view inside your car, logic would dictate you were armed in the gun free establishment.  Now had you gone into your car first, one could say "i rearmed when I got back into my car".
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: Kalihi Uka on February 05, 2026, 09:14:00 AM
That's why it all depends on how far back the prosecution wants to trace your steps.  I have a friend with a business and if you park head first into the stalls infront his store, his cameras can see very clearly the driver and passenger seats.

So to elaborate on the last example, you left the gun free establishment and had to use your firearm in the parking lot or had a medical emergency in the parking lot outside of your car.  That means you must have been armed when leaving the business, thus armed when entering and while in there.

Even if there are no cameras that view inside your car, logic would dictate you were armed in the gun free establishment.  Now had you gone into your car first, one could say "i rearmed when I got back into my car".
Please don’t get me wrong guys - I’m not criticizing you in any way when I say

Free men should not have to have this conversation!

That’s it for me, Captain Obvious, today.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: macsak on February 05, 2026, 09:23:51 AM
goalposts moved...

That's why it all depends on how far back the prosecution wants to trace your steps.  I have a friend with a business and if you park head first into the stalls infront his store, his cameras can see very clearly the driver and passenger seats.

So to elaborate on the last example, you left the gun free establishment and had to use your firearm in the parking lot or had a medical emergency in the parking lot outside of your car.  That means you must have been armed when leaving the business, thus armed when entering and while in there.

Even if there are no cameras that view inside your car, logic would dictate you were armed in the gun free establishment.  Now had you gone into your car first, one could say "i rearmed when I got back into my car".
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 05, 2026, 11:49:17 AM
Please don’t get me wrong guys - I’m not criticizing you in any way when I say

Free men should not have to have this conversation!

That’s it for me, Captain Obvious, today.

I agree.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: Kalihi Uka on February 07, 2026, 11:07:15 AM
Separate but Absolutely Related with respect to the the f’ing fiends destroying the state:

Read this by A Kam Napier of Aloha State Daily

“Last week, I went off on the Legislature for House Bill 1636, which wanted businesses to pay $500 fines when their shopping carts are stolen and dumped. On Jan. 31, the House Committee on Economic Development and Technology held a hearing on the bill.

No one spoke in favor of it. It was opposed by Hawai‘i Food Industry Association, KTA Super Stores, and Retail Merchants of Hawai‘i.

It passed anyway, with seven ayes from Representatives Ilagan, Hussey, Holt, Tam, Templo, Yamashita and Gedeon.
Rep. Greggor Ilagan (D) seemed to be one of the bill's biggest champions, so on Feb. 2, I emailed his office to ask:

"If no one testified in favor, and the only people who participated in the democratic process spoke against the bill, what was the point of advancing it?  Seems to me, and probably seems to my readers, like that should have been the end of it. Genuinely interested in hearing more about how this happened."

I've received no reply.”

What happened next shows the existential threat to Hawaii these totalitarians have become - blows your mind

https://alohastatedaily.com/2026/02/03/pipikaula-corner-shopping-carts-ii-this-time-its-buy-back/

“This bill exists, and is being stubbornly defended over public opposition, because lawmakers absolutely will not name the actual culprits who steal and dump the carts and will not do anything about them. Worse still, this bill exists because these same lawmakers, who have failed to maintain any kind of law and order, know full well they will never recover from the homeless the cost of clearing out their stolen carts. The homeless don't have money.

But the businesses do.”



FASCISTS!
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: QUIETShooter on February 07, 2026, 11:25:28 AM
And then they get voted in again.  And again.  Forever and ever.  Amen.

Spot on about the homeless nomo money.  But we and the businesses struggling to survive do. :grrr:
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: Kalihi Uka on February 07, 2026, 11:40:05 AM
And then they get voted in again.  And again.  Forever and ever.  Amen.

Spot on about the homeless nomo money.  But we and the businesses struggling to survive do. :grrr:
Right - it’s pretty interesting isn’t it.

Wonder how KTA (and all the rest) will feel next about being forced into the beef these totalitarians have with the Bill of Rights and the 2A, and their 2A customers?

Where’s their limit - will they ever stand up?

Truth is, the business community could ice (pun intended) these fuckers.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: Kalikikopa on March 08, 2026, 02:19:09 PM
https://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii-lawmakers-to-consider-placard-program-for-firearms/article_17426102-d859-4096-9d01-b60205a5a673.html

The signs would be provided by the state and it would be illegal to operate a business without the placard. An organization against gun violence said although people have the right to carry a weapon, that could lead to more tragedies.

"This is about our local culture and we are now bending over backwards for an incredibly small proportion of the population who wants to carry a concealed weapon and wants to be able to do it wherever they want to, whenever they want to," said Chris Marvin, Everytown for Gun Safety. "They want to eat their meals with it. They want to shop with it. Look they can have guns, that's their second amendment right, but let's be responsible with it."

Legislators are expected to introduce more gun-related bills by the Wednesday deadline.


While reading this comment I question what statistics bear if you compare deaths by legal concealed carry permit holders, vs people getting hit by cars because they were looking at cell phones and walking into traffic. A firearm is a tool, just like a phone. Be consistent, Ban all cell phones.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: QUIETShooter on March 08, 2026, 05:18:17 PM
Don't ask.  Don't tell.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: Rocky on March 09, 2026, 07:21:19 AM
“  Legislature for House Bill 1636, held a hearing on the bill.
No one spoke in favor of it. It was opposed by Hawai‘i Food Industry Association, KTA Super Stores, and Retail Merchants of Hawai‘i.
It passed anyway, with seven ayes from Representatives Ilagan, Hussey, Holt, Tam, Templo, Yamashita and Gedeon.
'“This bill exists, and is being stubbornly defended over public opposition, ''

   The duties and responsibilities of a legislator are . . .
Lawmaking: Legislators are primarily responsible for creating, amending, and passing laws that address the needs and concerns of their constituents.
Representation: Legislators serve as representatives of their constituents. They act as a voice for the people who elected them and advocate for their interests. This includes understanding the concerns and needs of their constituents.
Constituent Services: Legislators provide assistance to constituents by addressing their concerns, answering inquiries, and assisting with issues related to government agencies and services.

 So if legislators are not addressing the needs and concerns of their constituents acting as a voice for the people who elected them and advocate for their interests or providing assistance to constituents by addressing their concerns, are they not violating their duties and responsibility's ?
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: Westside_Redneck on March 09, 2026, 12:02:13 PM
   The duties and responsibilities of a legislator are . . .
Lawmaking: Legislators are primarily responsible for creating, amending, and passing laws that address the needs and concerns of their constituents.
Representation: Legislators serve as representatives of their constituents. They act as a voice for the people who elected them and advocate for their interests. This includes understanding the concerns and needs of their constituents.
Constituent Services: Legislators provide assistance to constituents by addressing their concerns, answering inquiries, and assisting with issues related to government agencies and services.

 So if legislators are not addressing the needs and concerns of their constituents acting as a voice for the people who elected them and advocate for their interests or providing assistance to constituents by addressing their concerns, are they not violating their duties and responsibility's ?


We need to start pulling any connections we might have in government and begin digging up tangible evidence that would expose their corruption. Once the evidence has been gathered use VPNs and anonymous names to rat this info out to the department of justice, heck I would even say relay the info to Tulsi Gabbard as our Hawaii connection in the Federal Government right now. I know we are a "no snitch culture", but f@&% it, these @$$holes will rat on you for going armed into a business, I say its fair game at this point.

If we're not going to count on the people to turn on their brains, open their eyes and show up on voting day; then ratting our crooked government out to the Feds, with evidence we can fry them with, is our next best option outside of hitting the streets.

Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: rpoL98 on March 09, 2026, 02:54:00 PM
where is Civil Beat when you need them?

elected representatives not representing, ignoring overwhelming testimony to pursue minority special interests.  This actually would be a good story, an exposé.

oh wait, doesn't fit the narrative.

(https://i.imgur.com/gySrnI0.gif)
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: oldfart on March 09, 2026, 03:42:05 PM
Waipahu times market today

Click pic.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: QUIETShooter on March 09, 2026, 04:28:19 PM
Waipahu times market today

Click pic.

Translation:  Criminals welcome.  Since you don't obey laws, bring guns, knives, whatever you want.  We love you and hope to see you soon.
Title: Re: mandatory firearms placards coming
Post by: Kalihi Uka on March 09, 2026, 04:59:07 PM
Translation:  Criminals welcome.  Since you don't obey laws, bring guns, knives, whatever you want.  We love you and hope to see you soon.
Perfect

Now they’re safe from us.