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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: hvybarrels on February 04, 2013, 12:39:31 PM
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chances are if your gun group has more than a few people then it's being monitored at the very least. watch out for people who want to stir up trouble and suggest doing stuff like stockpiling unregistered weapons. You might be thinking you talking with Bob Patriot when it's really Agent Jackson.
Inside the Terror Factory - Mother Jones
Award-winning journalist Trevor Aaronson digs deep into the FBI’s massive efforts to create fake terrorist plots.
Federal officials say they are protecting Americans with these operations—but from whom? Real terrorists, or dupes like Nafis, who appear unlikely to have the capacity for terrorism were it not for FBI agents providing the opportunity and means?
Nafis is one of more than 150 men since 9/11 who have been caught in FBI terrorism stings, some of whom have received 25 years or more in prison. In these cases, the FBI uses one of its more than 15,000 registered informants—many of them criminals, others trying to stay in the country following immigration violations—to identify potential terrorists. It then provides the means necessary for these would-be terrorists to move forward with a plot—in some cases even planting specific ideas for attacks. The FBI now spends $3 billion on counterterrorism annually, the largest portion of its budget. Our nation's top law enforcement agency, traditionally focused on investigating crimes after they occur, now operates more as an intelligence organization that tries to preempt crimes before they occur. But how many of these would-be terrorists would have acted were it not for an FBI agent provocateur helping them? Is it possible that the FBI is creating the very enemy we fear?
Those are the questions I set out to explore beginning in 2010. With the help of a research assistant, I built a database of more than 500 terrorism prosecutions since 9/11, looking closely and critically at every terrorism case brought into federal courts during the past decade. We pored through thousands of pages of court records, and found that nearly half of all terrorism cases since 9/11 involved informants, many of them paid as much as $100,000 per assignment by the FBI. At the time of the story's publication in Mother Jones in August 2011, 49 defendants had participated in plots led by an FBI agent provocateur, and that number has continued to rise since.
Historically, media coverage of these operations—begun under George W. Bush and continuing apace under Barack Obama—was mostly uncritical. With their aggressive tactics essentially unknown to the public, the FBI and Justice Department controlled the narrative: another dangerous terrorist apprehended by vigilant federal agents!
Continue Here: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/terror-factory-fbi-trevor-aaronson-book (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/terror-factory-fbi-trevor-aaronson-book)
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We threw somebody out of our gun club because he kept talking about "armed resistance". Beware.....
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It's a good thing most people here are too laid back to fall for that stuff.
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Best way to weed'em out is by testing their knowlege of firearms. After watching a news story of an ATF agent that was convinced a guy could turn an Air Soft rifle full auto 7.62 was enough for me.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/ATF-seizes-30-toy-guns-infuriating-local-business/vUVs2QUCAUuZWeRrqgIQaA.cspx (http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/ATF-seizes-30-toy-guns-infuriating-local-business/vUVs2QUCAUuZWeRrqgIQaA.cspx)
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We do need to be careful. I had the feeling of being "felt out" to see if I was "legit" by some gun friends I met for the first time, and I felt not at all insulted. I feel it's a necessary precaution to see if someone's for real or not.
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Wasn't this how the whole Ruby Ridge thing came down?
Federal agent befriended Weaver and talked him into selling a shot gun then cutting it just a tad too short?
If memory serves. :(
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We do need to be careful. I had the feeling of being "felt out" to see if I was "legit" by some gun friends I met for the first time, and I felt not at all insulted. I feel it's a necessary precaution to see if someone's for real or not.
don't take the freedom of speech for granted. Proverbs 13:3 King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
He that keepeth his mouth keepeth his life: but he that openeth wide his lips shall have destruction.
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None of us want to run afoul of the law here.
As far as armed resistance, I'll just leave this here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vb2Ggo4QhBs# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vb2Ggo4QhBs#)!
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Wasn't this how the whole Ruby Ridge thing came down?
Federal agent befriended Weaver and talked him into selling a shot gun then cutting it just a tad too short?
If memory serves. :(
In a nutshell and Hawaii's tie in is via FBI HRT sniper Lon Horiuchi. And again later at Waco. Look at the way Dorner got gassed and torched too. I have no desire to end up like that.