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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Aiea78 on February 06, 2013, 02:01:00 PM
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We need you now!
sample letter to cut & paste:
I oppose SB932. Under this proposed legislation, Hawaiians would be subject to warrantless entry into their homes, warrantless seizure of their firearms and other weapons based solely on a mere “report” by a so-called “mental health professional.” This bill is blatantly unconstitutional as it mandates no before-the-fact due process or corroboration.
One of the most frightening aspects of SB 932 is its definition of a “mental health professional.” The bill defines them as: “a psychologist, psychiatrist, physician, social worker, or counselor.” This means that a family doctor, who has no specialized mental health training, could file a report to a law enforcement agency which would result in the confiscation of an individual’s firearms. Furthermore, the “mental health professionals” who would be afforded the power to take away a constitution right, would be exempt from all civil or criminal liability, and only subject to a misdemeanor for false reporting.
Also, I demand that you tell us what Hawaii is doing to comply with the NIAA.
Mahalo,
(your name here)
email to:
Senate Committee on Health
Senator Josh Green (D-3), Chair
(808) 586-9385
sengreen@capitol.hawaii.gov
Senator Rosalyn Baker (D-6), Vice Chair
(808) 586-6070
senbaker@capitol.hawaii.gov
Senator Suzanne Chun Oakland (D-13)
(808) 586-6130
senchunoakland@capitol.hawaii.gov
Senator Clarence Nishihara (D-17)
(808) 586-6970
sennishihara@capitol.hawaii.gov
Senator Sam Slom (R-9)
(808) 586-8420
senslom@capitol.hawaii.gov
Senate Committee on Public Safety, Intergovernmental and Military Affairs:
Senator Will Espero (D-19), Chair
(808) 586-6360
senespero@capitol.hawaii.gov
Senator Rosalyn Baker (D-6), Vice Chair
(808) 586-6070
senbaker@capitol.hawaii.gov
Senator Brickwood Galuteria (D-12)
(808) 586-6740
sengaluteria@capitol.hawaii.gov
Senator Josh Green (D-3)
(808) 586-9385
sengreen@capitol.hawaii.gov
Senator Sam Slom (R-9)
(808) 586-8420
senslom@capitol.hawaii.gov
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Senate Bill 932 is scheduled to be heard THIS FRIDAY at 1:35 p.m. in conference room 229 of the State Capitol by the Senate Health (HTH) and Public Safety, Intergovernmental and Military Affairs (PSM) committees.
SB 932, introduced by state Senators Josh Green (D-3), Suzanne Chun Oakland (D-13), Clarence Nishihara (D-17), Russell Ruderman (D-2), and Maile Shimabukuro (D-21) is a terribly flawed mental health bill that must be defeated.
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Please don't tell me that signs and letters don't work - maybe not always but they do. Like has been said there are 4 boxes to choose/use:
Soap Box
Ballot Box
Jury Box
Ammo Box
Better to use the first ones while can right? Send those letters in and see you this Friday at the Rally!
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http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/submittestimony.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=932 (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/submittestimony.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=932)
Link to submit testimony.
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Opposed on Hawaii State Legislature
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Done. :)
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In case anyone wants some more cut and paste fodder, here's my submission:
I am opposed to this bill. Although the goal of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of the truly insane is a noble and worthwhile goal, the unintended consequences of this legislation will far outweigh any benefit. The proposed bill will serve as a negative incentive to those who most need mental health services. A person considering mass murder will be disinclined to discuss this with a mental health service provider, to the same degree and for the same reason that they would be loathe to discuss their impulses with a homicide detective.
While the proposed legislation would be counterproductive in its intended purpose, the wide net it casts would assuredly catch numerous people who pose no risk to anyone. This bill would essentially make it a crime to tell your therapist, "Gosh, my boss is such a jerk. I just want to punch him sometimes!" I would wager that every single member of this committee has entertained such a notion at one time or another; revoking a citizen's human right to own firearms without a scrap of due process is outrageous.
This bill puts the exercise of a Constitutionally protected human right at the mercy of anyone who can claim to be a mental health service provider, and further encourages over-reporting of every idle word which could be construed as threatening. Failure to report is punishable as a felony, while an outright lie aimed at revoking the rights of another person is a simple misdemeanor. This bill has a lofty goal, but falls far short. It will be counterproductive at stopping the next mass murderer, and will pose a significant threat to every gun owner in Hawaii. I urge you to vote against this bill.
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Here is the NRA announcement:
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2013/2/hawaii-deeply-flawed-mental-health-bill-to-be-heard-friday.aspx (http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2013/2/hawaii-deeply-flawed-mental-health-bill-to-be-heard-friday.aspx)
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Just submitted my testimony.
I know that it is a pain, but we have to keep up the heat.
The real heavy stuff is to come
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Testimony submitted :)
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Just did mine.
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done and spread the word
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Done. Thank you for the heads up.
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completed
everyone please submit testimony, even if you plan on showing up on friday
we need as many or more on this bill as on the last one!
keep up the pressure
fight the good fight
Done. :)
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Done son
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I couldn't find the article right off, but the last bill was killed in committee specifically because of the amount of opposing testimony and because of the showing at the hearing.
If I recall, the chair recommended passing the bill on but the vice chair - going against the recommendation - said that with over 360 pieces of testimony against and only 1 for that she would not go with the recommendation.
There is still some "public" left in this public process. Hawaii's gun laws are plenty strict and everyone knows it. We just need to make good and damned sure that they know we know it, too.
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opposed
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opposed :shaka:
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This is some scary stuff. What I envision is the truly sick NOT seeking the proper attention and treatment for fear of being "turned in". I wonder if these people really think before they submit these bad bills? ???
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Submitted my $.02
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Submitted testimony and e-mailed it to the list of senators provided.
The issue with the Federal version or Obama care version is that if anyone in your home is on anti-depressants and your doctor reports this to the Federal Government because of Obama Care requirements, then the government will have the right to take the guns out of the home if certain legislation is passed. So the guns could belong to you and you keep them locked up in your safe. But if you are caring for a sick parent and their doctor puts them on anti-depressants that could give the government the right to come take your guns. Again, assuming the way the legislation is written. I am depressed. :(
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Testimony submitted.
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testimony submitted!!
tell you guys , i'm glad I found this site! if not I probably wouldn't know what the hell was going on in the square building!! the piece of crap news sources here in Hawaii suck puss balls!!
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Submitted testimony in opposition, emailed members of legislature, and forwarded on to my family and friends.
God Bless Patriots and The United States of America!
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DID! :shaka:
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I browsed through all the testimonies and they were in basic alphabetic order by first name and my testimony was not in there! I have e-mail receipts for my testimony. :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
Here is the list: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2013/Testimony/SB932_TESTIMONY_HTH-PSM_02-08-13.pdf (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2013/Testimony/SB932_TESTIMONY_HTH-PSM_02-08-13.pdf)
I wonder how many more were not acknowledged?
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I browsed through all the testimonies and they were in basic alphabetic order by first name and my testimony was not in there! I have e-mail receipts for my testimony.
Looks like they aren't consistent in their alphabetizing. The first individuals are Michael, Adam, Gordon, Al, "Vernon" appears in the middle of the S section. Try doing a word find in the document.
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WTF! I'm listed either though I see others used the template. Did they throw out dupes or something. This sucks.
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Looks like they aren't consistent in their alphabetizing. The first individuals are Michael, Adam, Gordon, Al, "Vernon" appears in the middle of the S section. Try doing a word find in the document.
Yeah, I did that and I am not in there. Maybe my testimony was not included because I insinuated that any senator that would pass this bill is an idiot?
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Yeah, I did that and I am not in there. Maybe my testimony was not included because I insinuated that any senator that would pass this bill is an idiot?
May be a contributing factor. ;D
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May be a contributing factor. ;D
It's kinda tough to write testimony and hold back how I feel about the morons in our senate. :wacko:
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:wtf: I too submitted testimony and received a confirmation receipt but not posted online!! Anyone have any updates?
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They also have a disclaimer posted that testimony submitted less than 24 hours in advance may not find its way to the online posting. If you posted in advence, I'd contact "them" and let them know there's an issue.
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They also have a disclaimer posted that testimony submitted less than 24 hours in advance may not find its way to the online posting. If you posted in advence, I'd contact "them" and let them know there's an issue.
I posted on the 6th. I did e-mail the webmaster and received the following reply:
Aloha Dave,
Our electronic system did receive your testimony however it is up to the committee holding the hearing to collect and compile it. You may contact the HTH committee at 808-586-9385 to find out more information regarding your testimony.
Brent Lau
Senate Data Systems
Hawaii State Senate
I called the number above and it is Senator Green's Office and a person named John answered. He is very helpful and answered my questions. One question I asked is if ALL TESTIMONIES have to be published and he stated emphatically YES. All testimonies have to be published on the website. He stated that they were having some technical difficulties which he would not say what they were. But he encouraged me to have EVERYONE who submitted testimony and it did not appear on the website should call him ASAP.
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It's kinda tough to write testimony and hold back how I feel about the morons in our senate. :wacko:
Concur
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So any news on this yet? :shake:
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who wants an update?
So the hearing went as scheduled.
there was a fat stack of papers for "oppose" at least a couple hundred testimony submitted.
went through it. lots of others showed up as well
the attorney general, someone that represented the state hospitals, private doctors, HRA, and gun owners
the chair actually seemed interested in what the people had to say, was taking notes, asked questions about how they can make this bill better
his chair Will E-forget his last name also expressed that he was going through the process of getting a handgun
all the members seemed to be paying attention to what the people were saying.
nearly all members present today were against it in totality or its current form- there was talk about perhaps adding the "private sector" into the mix when doing the backgroud check/ medical reports/doctors
I wont post up the results of the vote just yet.
Also on another related note. the attorney general stated, while called up again by the committee, that owning firearms is a privilege.
Flyboy corrected her during a recess, and she kinda laughed, gave a oh yeah, blew it off, and went back inside.
I guess thats a good insight/window into the way these people think, and a preview of what we face.
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Thanks for the update bass monkey. I like to hear how the hearings are going. I can't believe the amount of testimony the 2a community put in. A couple years ago, there was just a handful and today there was a ton. Great job guys.
I'd be interested in hearing how the AG stated that owning a firearm is a privilege. That is a serious mis-step.
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One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. :-X
- Plato
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The Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a priviledge? That means war. /daffy duck Dat gangit I missed my chance to yell Point of Order!
Seriously, now I'm really pissed and going to make sure will take off the whole day and attend the next hearing.
I hope they read their emails. I'm guessing they passed this pos bill eh.
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vote got deferred till monday. i plan to be there as well, to shake their hands when it gets dropped and doesnt pass.
im waiting to hear back from flyboy. i know she was from the AG-s office. dont remember her name, and im super bad with names.
flyboy was one of the people that told her its a right not a privilege. im sure he will remember her name. hopefully he chimes in soon
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Looks like this one was deferred in two separate committees in two separate rooms on two separate days. http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=6462.msg62234;topicseen#new (http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=6462.msg62234;topicseen#new)
Anyone know what that means?
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interesting. i just checked my email and got a email about it being deferred. it doesnt show me as being split. weird.
there is also an area where they list the hearings for the day. its on a clipboard on every floor. list all the details about it.
ill be sure to double check it that morning.
THE SENATE
THE TWENTY-SEVENTH LEGISLATURE
REGULAR SESSION OF 2013
COMMITTEE ON HEALTH
Senator Josh Green, Chair
Senator Rosalyn H. Baker, Vice-Chair
MEASURES DEFERRED TO MONDAY, FEBRUARY 11, 2013
DATE: Monday, February 11, 2013
TIME:2:30 PM
PLACE:
Conference Room 229
State Capitol
415 South Beretania Street
DECISION MAKING ON THE FOLLOWING MEASURE(S):
SB932
RELATING TO MENTAL HEALTH.
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Read through some of the testimony. I really wish that the citizens who submitted "support" votes had also submitted comments. None of them did.
Mental Health America of Hawaii I thought was particularly informative and it was nice to see. I didn't see ~any~ strong support anywhere.
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I browsed through all the testimonies and they were in basic alphabetic order by first name and my testimony was not in there! I have e-mail receipts for my testimony. :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
Here is the list: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2013/Testimony/SB932_TESTIMONY_HTH-PSM_02-08-13.pdf (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2013/Testimony/SB932_TESTIMONY_HTH-PSM_02-08-13.pdf)
I wonder how many more were not acknowledged?
I did not see mine either, and I didn't use any template letter... So is this how they roll now? ??? Im pissed! and 2nd is a privilege? WTF? Is that on record? :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:
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Marelne Uesugi got back to me and said I should contact Senetor Green's office about the missing testimonies. Not a very polite response. She must be getting a lot of complaints. LOL.
Thank you for all that could attend these hearings and reporting the goings on for us that cannot go! Your help and support is much appreciated!!
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someone did their homework
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sJt-yrXKYG4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sJt-yrXKYG4)
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One minor correction. It wasn't the Attorney General, but the Attorney General's designee / someone representing the Attorney General. I confronted her about it, and she knew immediately what it was about--her saying it was a "privilege" to own a firearm. I told her she was wrong, and that "owning firearms is a God-given right codified under the Second Amendment." Her reply was a smiling, "...God-given? Well, agree to disagree," and hurried back in the room. I'm not sure whether she disagreed with it being a "right" or disagreeing as in "God."
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One minor correction. It wasn't the Attorney General, but the Attorney General's designee / someone representing the Attorney General. I confronted her about it, and she knew immediately what it was about--her saying it was a "privilege" to own a firearm. I told her she was wrong, and that "owning firearms is a God-given right codified under the Second Amendment." Her reply was a smiling, "...God-given? Well, agree to disagree," and hurried back in the room. I'm not sure whether she disagreed with it being a "right" or disagreeing as in "God."
typical liberal. They think they are above you, they know whats best for us. She was disagreeing on both a right and as in God.
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typical liberal. They think they are above you, they know whats best for us. She was disagreeing on both a right and as in God.
Haha, She never remembered giving us the right.... her and her buddies being gods and all. [mumbles] freakin elitist scum... [/mumbles]
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One minor correction. It wasn't the Attorney General, but the Attorney General's designee / someone representing the Attorney General. I confronted her about it, and she knew immediately what it was about--her saying it was a "privilege" to own a firearm. I told her she was wrong, and that "owning firearms is a God-given right codified under the Second Amendment." Her reply was a smiling, "...God-given? Well, agree to disagree," and hurried back in the room. I'm not sure whether she disagreed with it being a "right" or disagreeing as in "God."
thanks for the correction flyboy!!!
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"god given" occurs nowhere in the Constitution. That's from the Declaration of Independence and has nothing to do with the Bill of Rights.
Not defending the idea that the 2nd is a privilege just noting that the "god-given" bit is not accurate and that Ms. Privilege isn't necessarily wrong on that specific point. Some of the founders did talk that way but that language, specifically, did not make it into the Constitution itself.
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"god given" occurs nowhere in the Constitution. That's from the Declaration of Independence and has nothing to do with the Bill of Rights.
Not defending the idea that the 2nd is a privilege just noting that the "god-given" bit is not accurate and that Ms. Privilege isn't necessarily wrong on that specific point. Some of the founders did talk that way but that language, specifically, did not make it into the Constitution itself.
not to split hairs
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
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Law is all about splitting hairs. The Declaration has nothing to do with the law of the land. Neither do the written opinions of the Founding Fathers.
The only things that matter are the letter of the law and legal precedents as set by the courts. Understanding that is key to understanding why certain legal-ish arguments seem valid but are not.
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Hey flyboy i saw your friend today, the lady from the AG office. She actually told me hi.
The bill moved forward, with recommendations.
And i met some haole girl that explained to me how the process works. If bills are not scheduled to be heard by this week or the next, it will go to the "sidelines" and not be heard this session. If you want a bill to be pushed forward, contact your reps and committees.
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Anyone find out why your testimony was not recorded??
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Its getting referred to the JUD, WAM committees next, so i believe we will be able to submit testimony again. Still sucks original testimony somehow got lost.
It also got passed with recommendation.
To create a group, composing of the DHS, consumers, NRA, HRA, Doctors, Psychologists, State hospital, firearm stores, to have a discussion and do more research on this.
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And as mentioned, there is another hearing scheduled tomorrow, tuesday!!!!
DATE:
Tuesday, February 12, 2013
TIME:
2:45 PM
PLACE:
Conference Room 224
State Capitol
415 South Beretania Street
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And as mentioned, there is another hearing scheduled tomorrow, tuesday!!!!
DATE:
Tuesday, February 12, 2013
TIME:
2:45 PM
PLACE:
Conference Room 224
State Capitol
415 South Beretania Street
I'll see what I can do tomorrow. You work tomorrow, right, BM?
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sorry bro havent been able to get to a computer till now. Yeah i had to work today. Working tues- thurs.
Did you make it down today?
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sorry bro havent been able to get to a computer till now. Yeah i had to work today. Working tues- thurs.
Did you make it down today?
Negative :(
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Anyone find out why your testimony was not recorded??
They can read through the testimonies submitted and pick the ones they want to use in the hearings.
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They can read through the testimonies submitted and pick the ones they want to use in the hearings.
really?
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I sent out a bunch of emails and I had them resubmit my testimony. A little late though... I emailed them back asking for an explanation, what will be done, and how they will prevent this in the future.. Still waiting on the answers... not holding my breath.
I think next time I will do the online submit and email every one of the committee members to be sure it get in. Which is effed up.
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heavies did you follow the format when submitting testimony?
Sorry to hear about your testimony. There was a fat stack at the hearing.
Maybe you could try call their offices.
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heavies did you follow the format when submitting testimony?
Sorry to hear about your testimony. There was a fat stack at the hearing.
Maybe you could try call their offices.
Yes. I submitted early, followed the same format as previous, It just somehow did not get in. I wondered if the others that said theirs did not go in, got any response or results? My crazy work hours will prevent me from going to most of these hearings, so I want to be 100% positive that my testimony is counted. I am sure that all those here want to be 100% sure too.
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I'm thinking the emails don't count for shit so submitted testimony is the only way to be counted - if they actually do make it in that count at all. Even if we mail them in there's no accounting unless sent certified mail with return receipt. And even then nothing to prevent them from saying they only got a blank paper so threw it away. This stinks.