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Title: LAPD shootings
Post by: Lifer on February 08, 2013, 07:35:45 PM
I respect law enforcement, but damn !  :shake: :shake:

The 2 females shot in the blue truck were delivering newspapers....WTF!

Police shoot dozens of rounds at innocent women driving similar vehicle to manhunt suspect (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHeICQpCGrI#)


Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: OldFaithful on February 08, 2013, 08:12:37 PM
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Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: justin1098 on February 09, 2013, 11:15:13 AM
not a good time to be driving a pickup in LA
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: Kingkeoni on February 09, 2013, 11:38:11 AM
Lets see...

It was a different make, different model and a different color than the truck they were looking for.

Dumb asses.
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: CSaladino on February 09, 2013, 12:18:43 PM
That's messed up!  Sue job!  Smh! :'( >:(
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: deeznuts on February 09, 2013, 12:30:57 PM
(http://static.onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Undercover-Cop-Car-Fail.jpg)

Just goes to show how much thought and effort the LAPD puts into their jobs... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: rustyeleio on February 09, 2013, 01:46:08 PM
Hopefully someone brings up this incident on Peirs Morgan's show when he states that..
1) We don't need guns because the police will protect us in every situation.  Even when they are not there.
2) All police are highly trained and proficient with their weapons, much more so than any private gun owner.
 :crazy:
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: bryanhayn on February 09, 2013, 02:35:40 PM
I can see it now... Liberal news: "If the police, who are trained professionals, can accidentally shoot up innocent people, just imagine the damage the average person can do with guns."
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: NoScade on February 09, 2013, 02:39:06 PM
Talk about open fire!!!!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/no_scade/02135A44-6FB2-41DD-A0F6-A774830C37CF-16529-00002838A665FF60.jpg)
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: fstbckgt on February 09, 2013, 02:41:47 PM
Lets see...

It was a different make, different model and a different color than the truck they were looking for.

Dumb asses.
Initial reports were stating it was a blue nissan titan.
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: Heavies on February 09, 2013, 02:44:27 PM
That's messed up. SMH
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: Gordyf on February 09, 2013, 06:18:32 PM
Initial reports were stating it was a blue nissan titan.

Well it is blue, and it is Japanese. Two out of three is'nt bad. Whatever happened to "be sure of your target and what's behind it" Pistol 101.
Glad the paper Girls survived!
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: Kingkeoni on February 09, 2013, 06:58:56 PM
Initial reports were stating it was a blue nissan titan.

"Be on the look out for a blue or black truck in the California area being driven by a brown or black person between 4'5" and 6'11"
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: Lifer on February 09, 2013, 07:12:11 PM
"Be on the look out for a blue or black truck in the California area being driven by a brown or black person between 4'5" and 6'11"

You forgot to add shoot on sight!!! ( don't worry about positive ID, we'll figure it out later)  ::)
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: Heavies on February 09, 2013, 08:08:12 PM
Did they come out as menacing with all those newspapers?   They must have thrown more than 10 newspapers. Or had assault newspapers.  They shot the sh*t out of that truck. 
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: bryanhayn on February 09, 2013, 09:47:20 PM
I think this belongs here. ..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow9jncNeTOA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow9jncNeTOA)
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: fstbckgt on February 09, 2013, 10:49:22 PM
"Be on the look out for a blue or black truck in the California area being driven by a brown or black person between 4'5" and 6'11"
Another article I saw stated it was a nissan titan
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: macsak on February 09, 2013, 10:57:39 PM
shooter's truck was a 4 door nissan titan
blue or grey

i was really pissed at the newspaper truck shooting, and then i thought about it a bit
newspapers- early morning delivery
cops on high alert after one or 2 checkpoints shot up and officers killed/injured
it's like in iraq when someone unknowingly gets too close to a checkpoint and it sets off a response tat may not be appropriate to the threat level
chalk it up to the "fog of war"

Another article I saw stated it was a nissan titan
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: crazy cat on February 09, 2013, 11:07:06 PM
LAPD is at war?  With who...everyone who's not a cop? 

Whatever happened to swearing an oath to uphold the law?  Even if it had been the dude they were looking for in that truck, it's still not legal to just start shooting. 

PS  the police officers who opened fire could tell there were two people in the truck, and they were trying to kill both of them (shooting for the head).  Personally, I think the officers involved in that shooting should be in jail.
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: Cougar8045 on February 09, 2013, 11:30:17 PM
LAPD is at war?  With who...everyone who's not a cop? 

Whatever happened to swearing an oath to uphold the law?  Even if it had been the dude they were looking for in that truck, it's still not legal to just start shooting. 

PS  the police officers who opened fire could tell there were two people in the truck, and they were trying to kill both of them (shooting for the head).  Personally, I think the officers involved in that shooting should be in jail.
This.  The LAPD is operating in LA, not Iraq.
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: hnl.flyboy on February 09, 2013, 11:40:11 PM
I can see it now... Liberal news: "If the police, who are trained professionals, can accidentally shoot up innocent people, just imagine the damage the average person can do with guns."

90% of the active forum users go to the range way more often than most of the police officers.
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: Kingkeoni on February 09, 2013, 11:43:29 PM
This.  The LAPD is operating in LA, not Iraq.

Maybe there is a reason that this guy is killing LAPD cops?
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: macsak on February 09, 2013, 11:52:15 PM
ok
ok

let me put it this way
i'm not one hundred percent positive i would've followed the 4 safety rules in this situation
so i decided not to judge the officers as harshly as i originally was

This.  The LAPD is operating in LA, not Iraq.
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: hvybarrels on February 10, 2013, 12:07:54 AM
Dorner has a growing fan club. Lots of people seem to be unhappy about police misconduct recently. All this pumping of fed money for turning law enforcement into a paramilitary occupational force is having a significant backlash. It's for the same reason why the drone programs will never work. When you maim and kill innocent civilians it turns the whole population against you.
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: Bunker on February 10, 2013, 12:42:48 AM
Dorner has a growing fan club. Lots of people seem to be unhappy about police misconduct recently. All this pumping of fed money for turning law enforcement into a paramilitary occupational force is having a significant backlash. It's for the same reason why the drone programs will never work. When you maim and kill innocent civilians it turns the whole population against you.

Stats on drone program and you can click on the leaders killed tab too. I'm guessing your view is they will never work because of the civilian casualty ratio? Unfortunately, civilian collateral casualties is a sad reality of the majority of combat operations, and our military leaders don't take that likely and assess the benefit to risk factor from available intel before ordering these strikes. IMHO I believe drone strikes will continue in Pakistan, Afganistan and possibly other countries as long as we are at war with terrorists, who happen to train and hide in those regions.

http://counterterrorism.newamerica.net/drones (http://counterterrorism.newamerica.net/drones)
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: Aegis808 on February 10, 2013, 01:38:59 AM
Stats on drone program and you can click on the leaders killed tab too. I'm guessing your view is they will never work because of the civilian casualty ratio? Unfortunately, civilian collateral casualties is a sad reality of the majority of combat operations, and our military leaders don't take that likely and assess the benefit to risk factor from available intel before ordering these strikes. IMHO I believe drone strikes will continue in Pakistan, Afganistan and possibly other countries as long as we are at war with terrorists, who happen to train and hide in those regions.

http://counterterrorism.newamerica.net/drones (http://counterterrorism.newamerica.net/drones)

As you can tell the drones haven't stopped bad guys from showing up though. I wouldn't exactly call the drone program a wild success and when armed drones are used on US citizens it won't exactly win over more people to the side of the federal government.
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: Heavies on February 10, 2013, 04:24:44 AM
Personally, I strongly disagree with the murdering of American citizens without trial.  It is just way way wrong.  Anytime you give government bureaucrats that much power, there will be trouble.  They already have too much power as is.
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: bass monkey on February 10, 2013, 08:23:27 AM
good thing they were delivering newspapers. i wonder how many bullets got stopped or slowed, perhaps saving their lives.
i havent read any of the articles, but i would also like to know what justification they had to open fire. "armed and dangerous" not cutting it
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: CRglock on February 10, 2013, 08:55:54 AM
These cops suck at shooting look at there groups... its all over the place! 
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: Bunker on February 10, 2013, 09:11:59 AM
As you can tell the drones haven't stopped bad guys from showing up though. I wouldn't exactly call the drone program a wild success and when armed drones are used on US citizens it won't exactly win over more people to the side of the federal government.

In my opinion the alternatives are more deadly and devastating than using unmanned drones in Pakistan, Afganistan and other tribal areas. While Pakistan helps the U.S. in some operations, it undermines the U.S. in others. Therefore, we cannot simply outsource to Pakistan because there have been too many cases where the Pakistanis have alerted the targets in advance. So the alternative would be to use our military forces in theater to capture or kill these enemy combatants (terrorists), with a high probability of incurring further U.S. military casualties. The majority of drone strikes are conducted in tribal areas or mountainous regions. Edit: U.S. DoD stats on U.S. military casualties in Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF): http://www.defense.gov/news/casualty.pdf (http://www.defense.gov/news/casualty.pdf)

On the second point about U.S. citizens. I believe once a citizen of any nationality becomes a terrorist, hell bent on destroying the U.S. and killing as many American's as possible (often innocent civilians and children), they gave up their rights and should now be classified as an enemy combatant and should be treated as such. Just because he is a U.S. citizen, shouldn't change the definition of an enemy combatant. If we are talking about drone strikes on U.S. citizens that are located in known terrorists locations in Pakistan, I would have to assume our intel has definitively concluded they are a terrorist. Now if we are talking about capturing in the U.S., that is an entirely different story. JMHO
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: Bunker on February 10, 2013, 09:50:01 AM
This.  The LAPD is operating in LA, not Iraq.

+1
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: ren on February 10, 2013, 11:53:03 AM
Personally, I strongly disagree with the murdering of American citizens without trial.  It is just way way wrong.  Anytime you give government bureaucrats that much power, there will be trouble.  They already have too much power as is.
I argues with my fellow co workers about this. Not only American citizens but innocent civilians. I questioned soldiers' actions about killing and was accused of siding with insurgents. I think that we are a great country because of our violent precision.
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: BananaClip on February 10, 2013, 01:11:25 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! AND THEY THINK I'M GONNA GIVE UP MY GUNS!

I also have a lot of respect for HPD, but like any company, department, Group or "Well Orginized Corporation"

you'll always, always, always have, "The Idiot", "The Loose Cannon", "The I'll Do Whatever I Want"......

When you think about it, everyone thinks living immoral lives is ok now... So this is whats gonna happen now...

More moral laws are being broken and becoming "normal", so it's gonna start to bleed over into our crminal law systems...

My prayers go out to the women delivering newspaper...that totally sucks and angers me.......
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: fstbckgt on February 10, 2013, 04:46:00 PM
http://jalopnik.com/5983152/lapd-to-women-sorry-for-shooting-you-heres-a-new-truck (http://jalopnik.com/5983152/lapd-to-women-sorry-for-shooting-you-heres-a-new-truck)

LAPD's buying them a new truck.  :rofl:
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: Bunker on February 10, 2013, 04:53:50 PM
http://jalopnik.com/5983152/lapd-to-women-sorry-for-shooting-you-heres-a-new-truck (http://jalopnik.com/5983152/lapd-to-women-sorry-for-shooting-you-heres-a-new-truck)

LAPD's buying them a new truck.  :rofl:

Oh how thoughtful and considerate of the incompetent f*&@s. ??? Hell they should sue their asses for a huge sum of money for starters.
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: hnl.flyboy on February 10, 2013, 08:01:32 PM
http://jalopnik.com/5983152/lapd-to-women-sorry-for-shooting-you-heres-a-new-truck (http://jalopnik.com/5983152/lapd-to-women-sorry-for-shooting-you-heres-a-new-truck)

LAPD's buying them a new truck.  :rofl:

Linked update in that story..

Another innocent in a truck was rammed and fired upon.  LAPD is seriously going nuts.  WTF??
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: fstbckgt on February 10, 2013, 08:13:46 PM
Why would they shoot at another vehicle matching the description when they already found his burnt out Titan near Big Bear.
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: hnl.flyboy on February 10, 2013, 08:17:50 PM
Why would they shoot at another vehicle matching the description when they already found his burnt out Titan near Big Bear.

Don't ask questions directed at someone who has already demonstrated deadly incompetence.  Twice.
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: BananaClip on February 10, 2013, 09:15:58 PM
Giving them a new truck is kinda insulting.....they should lift it, put some 34's on it..... :thumbsup:

 
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: DuckFat on February 11, 2013, 04:07:06 PM
http://colorlines.com/archives/2013/02/lapd_had_no_idea_who_they_were_shooting_at_in_dorner_pursuit_says_victims_attorney.html (http://colorlines.com/archives/2013/02/lapd_had_no_idea_who_they_were_shooting_at_in_dorner_pursuit_says_victims_attorney.html)
Quote
"In the case with the two women, neighbors say at least seven officers shot at the vehicle, leaving bullet holes in neighboring cars, trees, garage doors and roofs."
So it looks like they hit the truck about 40 times and also shot up the community. :wtf:
Quote
"In a separate incident on Thursday a white male going to surf early in the morning was left with a truck full of bullet holes. David Perdue wasn’t struck by bullets but was injured in the car wreck, suffering a concussion and an injury to his shoulder, his lawyer told the LA Times."
So race nor gender matters here. Just shoot at trucks. Everyone needs a sign like this, hopefully all the officers are literate.
(http://proxy.storify.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FBC1dHvKCUAAxQY_.jpg)
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: DuckFat on February 11, 2013, 04:08:24 PM
And LL Cool J should stay home
(http://proxy.storify.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdistilleryimage0.instagram.com%2F637d7b80742011e2969522000a9f14e8_7.jpg&resize=1&w=490)
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: stangzilla on February 11, 2013, 04:09:20 PM
And LL Cool J should stay home
(http://proxy.storify.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdistilleryimage0.instagram.com%2F637d7b80742011e2969522000a9f14e8_7.jpg&resize=1&w=490)

LOL.
you found him!
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: hnl.flyboy on February 11, 2013, 04:13:42 PM
http://colorlines.com/archives/2013/02/lapd_had_no_idea_who_they_were_shooting_at_in_dorner_pursuit_says_victims_attorney.html (http://colorlines.com/archives/2013/02/lapd_had_no_idea_who_they_were_shooting_at_in_dorner_pursuit_says_victims_attorney.html)So it looks like they hit the hit the truck about 40 times and also shot up the community. :wtf:So race nor gender matters here. Just shoot at trucks. Everyone needs a sign like this, hopefully all the officers are literate.
(http://proxy.storify.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FBC1dHvKCUAAxQY_.jpg)

And LL Cool J should stay home
(http://proxy.storify.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdistilleryimage0.instagram.com%2F637d7b80742011e2969522000a9f14e8_7.jpg&resize=1&w=490)

I laughed then realized how true it is.  Then felt very sad.
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: Bunker on February 11, 2013, 04:31:46 PM
And LL Cool J should stay home
(http://proxy.storify.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdistilleryimage0.instagram.com%2F637d7b80742011e2969522000a9f14e8_7.jpg&resize=1&w=490)

Especially if he drives a pickup truck...
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: BUD on February 11, 2013, 07:51:18 PM
Yikes! I would be nervous if I were him :crazy:
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: raudi on February 12, 2013, 09:43:34 AM
i though he looked like Ruben Studderd

(http://ronernbphilly.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/ruben-studdard.jpg)
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: DuckFat on February 12, 2013, 11:34:41 AM
Ruben should probably stay home too.

Sad thing is, the bulletin probably went out exactly like Dave Chappelle said
Dave Chappelle - Alibi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4XHMfedYtI#)

Except replace the "black male" part with "any person"
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: macsak on February 12, 2013, 11:38:09 AM
they are saying that dorner did a cabin invasion and tied up 2 people living there
one escaped and called authorities
gunfire reportedly exchanged and dorner is attempting to escape in a stolen car

Yikes! I would be nervous if I were him :crazy:
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: Aegis808 on February 12, 2013, 10:28:29 PM
Cops torch cabin where Christopher Dorner was held up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqybEfy9w#)

police used "burners" to purposefully start a fire.

"We're going to go full-on plan with the burn"

"It's the one we're talking about"

"Burners."

"We have a fire"

edited to add words used by
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: hnl.flyboy on February 12, 2013, 10:46:01 PM
Cops torch cabin where Christopher Dorner was held up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqybEfy9w#)

police used "burners" to purposefully start a fire.

"We're going to go full-on plan with the burn"

"It's the one we're talking about"

"Burners."

"We have a fire"

edited to add words used by

Setting fire to a building is standard operating procedure?  That's pretty fucked up.
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: Aegis808 on February 12, 2013, 10:57:56 PM
they demonized the branch davidians just like they did with dorner. i don't believe the msm pushed story one bit.
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: hillbilly19 on February 12, 2013, 11:29:52 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50140947n (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50140947n)

video of shootout
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: BUD on February 13, 2013, 08:24:20 AM
Setting fire to a building is standard operating procedure?  That's pretty fucked up.

They say they are "pretty sure" it was him.  Next to the charred body they found a wallet with his CA driver's license.  Apparently, only the body got charred and not the wallet with the license. 
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: DuckFat on February 13, 2013, 08:24:01 PM
So the LAPD which seemingly had open season on trucks for a day is now issuing execution orders? Worse yet, they only "believe" it was him so they continued their trend of not identifying their target. For all we know this is a coverup and they burned a corpse to [insert conspiracy theory here].
Title: Re: LAPD shootings
Post by: Aegis808 on February 13, 2013, 08:54:53 PM
"pyrotechnic tear gas canisters"

its code name for we burned the place down because we are shitty people/murderers/corrupt like dorner said we were