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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Mr. Joshua on February 11, 2013, 12:11:22 AM
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Happy to say atleast one shop in Hawaii has some integrity. Kaneohe Gun Shop is advertising PMAGs for somewhat "normal" prices.
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What is somewhat normal? I got some coming for midway...$14ea..
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$16 and $18. X-ring and OGC advertising $28 and $29.
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it could depend on who their distributor is too and at what price they purchase them at. carter has been pretty honest with his pricing in regards to cost.
just another factor to consider
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You also have to take into account the a$$holes that are either panic buying are planning to charge more than the store owners who have overhead and employees. OGC and xring have fair prices. Remember they can turn around and sell there shipments elsewhere and make more profit. I bought two 3rd gen p mags $28. Each. I got them because I wanted the dot matrix so I could number the mags, my older mags I just use good old punch tape. I only bought two as to see quality, I saw no need to buy there entire stock. It's not the store that's screwing us, it's other shooters. Look at the ammo prices and scarceness, greedy, panicked, selfish gun owners the type that give the whole sport and industries a bad name.
If anyone is offended or wants to say something to my face my address is 1600 Pennsylvania ave, look for the big white house. Punks!
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You also have to take into account the a$$holes that are either panic buying are planning to charge more than the store owners who have overhead and employees. OGC and xring have fair prices. Remember they can turn around and sell there shipments elsewhere and make more profit. I bought two 3rd gen p mags $28. Each. I got them because I wanted the dot matrix so I could number the mags, my older mags I just use good old punch tape. I only bought two as to see quality, I saw no need to buy there entire stock. It's not the store that's screwing us, it's other shooters. Look at the ammo prices and scarceness, greedy, panicked, selfish gun owners the type that give the whole sport and industries a bad name.
If anyone is offended or wants to say something to my face my address is 1600 Pennsylvania ave, look for the big white house. Punks!
NICE
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You also have to take into account the a$$holes that are either panic buying are planning to charge more than the store owners who have overhead and employees. OGC and xring have fair prices. Remember they can turn around and sell there shipments elsewhere and make more profit. I bought two 3rd gen p mags $28. Each. I got them because I wanted the dot matrix so I could number the mags, my older mags I just use good old punch tape. I only bought two as to see quality, I saw no need to buy there entire stock. It's not the store that's screwing us, it's other shooters. Look at the ammo prices and scarceness, greedy, panicked, selfish gun owners the type that give the whole sport and industries a bad name.
If anyone is offended or wants to say something to my face my address is 1600 Pennsylvania ave, look for the big white house. Punks!
Ya just look at the new members here who only post in the classifieds at stupid prices and then vanish. They're just adding to the problem. Yet me and others who make colorful comments about it get bashed and/or moderated. The moderator editing keeps the peace but I really think the gougers have no place here. OGC has already stated that they raised their prices a little to discourage this price gouging behavior.
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Hahaha! All newbies selling mags! Smh!
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it could depend on who their distributor is too and at what price they purchase them at. carter has been pretty honest with his pricing in regards to cost.
just another factor to consider
True, but I'll believe it when I see their invoice. A honest owner would not bring in products at a inflated price just because he knows people are panicking and it'll sell. If it is in fact the distributor, I'd find another because then the distributor is dishonest. Maybe Magpul is lying too but they said repeatedly they have not raised their prices due to recent events.
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True, but I'll believe it when I see their invoice. A honest owner would not bring in products at a inflated price just because he knows people are panicking and it'll sell. If it is in fact the distributor, I'd find another because then the distributor is dishonest. Maybe Magpul is lying too but they said repeatedly they have not raised their prices due to recent events.
OK.............regardless of the product being "X" dollars or "X + $ 250" OGC's % markup is still the same.
Carter's business model is still the same. He brings in as much product as he can to get the best prices to in turn get those prices to us. His business model is the change in the State. Until him no one else did that and as a result no one's price (aside from Security's occassional low price on ammo) reflected that.
There is one person whom you can thank in the State for the low prices we see consistently and that's him. I think it's a great disservice to say that he's jacking the prices up. If you don't like his price, then don't buy.
If you feel he's not been forthcoming or he's been dishonest then by all means don't buy from him..........ever.............especially when the prices stabilize and go back down on certain items.
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True, but I'll believe it when I see their invoice. A honest owner would not bring in products at a inflated price just because he knows people are panicking and it'll sell. If it is in fact the distributor, I'd find another because then the distributor is dishonest. Maybe Magpul is lying too but they said repeatedly they have not raised their prices due to recent events.
So what you're saying is that it would be more "honest" to not have any mags in stock that people are desparately looking for and can't get, than to get the stock from the available distributors/wholsalers/retailers that are charging a higher price ?
Magpul is back-ordered by tens of thousands of mags. I'm pretty sure the LGS's are not getting them direct. ( i.e. they're aren't any other distributors. Midway is currently out of stock - no back order on all of them )
And cases sell out in like 30 minutes when they get them in at the current price they're charging, so why wouldn't they keep bringing them in. Supply and Demand.
Sorry for the rant but I stand by Carter's and OGC's honesty and credibility.
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OK.............regardless of the product being "X" dollars or "X + $ 250" OGC's % markup is still the same.
Carter's business model is still the same. He brings in as much product as he can to get the best prices to in turn get those prices to us. His business model is the change in the State. Until him no one else did that and as a result no one's price (aside from Security's occassional low price on ammo) reflected that.
There is one person whom you can thank in the State for the low prices we see consistently and that's him. I think it's a great disservice to say that he's jacking the prices up. If you don't like his price, then don't buy.
If you feel he's not been forthcoming or he's been dishonest then by all means don't buy from him..........ever.............especially when the prices stabilize and go back down on certain items.
+1 :thumbsup:
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OK.............regardless of the product being "X" dollars or "X + $ 250" OGC's % markup is still the same.
Carter's business model is still the same. He brings in as much product as he can to get the best prices to in turn get those prices to us. His business model is the change in the State. Until him no one else did that and as a result no one's price (aside from Security's occassional low price on ammo) reflected that.
There is one person whom you can thank in the State for the low prices we see consistently and that's him. I think it's a great disservice to say that he's jacking the prices up. If you don't like his price, then don't buy.
If you feel he's not been forthcoming or he's been dishonest then by all means don't buy from him..........ever.............especially when the prices stabilize and go back down on certain items.
So what you're saying is that it would be more "honest" to not have any mags in stock that people are desparately looking for and can't get, than to get the stock from the available distributors/wholsalers/retailers that are charging a higher price ?
Magpul is back-ordered by tens of thousands of mags. I'm pretty sure the LGS's are not getting them direct. ( i.e. they're aren't any other distributors. Midway is currently out of stock - no back order on all of them )
And cases sell out in like 30 minutes when they get them in at the current price they're charging, so why wouldn't they keep bringing them in. Supply and Demand.
Sorry for the rant but I stand by Carter's and OGC's honesty and credibility.
You guys said it!
Don't blame Carter. He's one of the best in Hawaii.
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as far as i know, xring had them for 30 bucks because they were cutting deals with other suppliers to jump ahead in line.
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$30 -$35 is not bad, compare to gun source selling mags for $59.99 each.
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actually, magpul is backordered by millions of mags
someone posted a week or two ago
So what you're saying is that it would be more "honest" to not have any mags in stock that people are desparately looking for and can't get, than to get the stock from the available distributors/wholsalers/retailers that are charging a higher price ?
Magpul is back-ordered by tens of thousands of mags. I'm pretty sure the LGS's are not getting them direct. ( i.e. they're aren't any other distributors. Midway is currently out of stock - no back order on all of them )
And cases sell out in like 30 minutes when they get them in at the current price they're charging, so why wouldn't they keep bringing them in. Supply and Demand.
Sorry for the rant but I stand by Carter's and OGC's honesty and credibility.
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$30 -$35 is not bad, compare to gun source selling mags for $59.99 each.
I heard Anthony was pre-selling P-Mags for $200 a pop a week or so ago.
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You got to be kidding.
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True, but I'll believe it when I see their invoice. A honest owner would not bring in products at a inflated price just because he knows people are panicking and it'll sell. If it is in fact the distributor, I'd find another because then the distributor is dishonest. Maybe Magpul is lying too but they said repeatedly they have not raised their prices due to recent events.
It's nobody's business what the damn invoice is.
People who feel this way shouldn't buy gas for their cars.
Gas is marked up over 100% when it's cheap, 200% or more when the prices are high.
I wish people would quit anonymously complaining about the gun stores online.
If you have a problem, go and ask for the owner and tell him face to face "I don't like the way you do business and I refuse to shop at your store"
Let him see who is talking crap about him.
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It's nobody's business what the damn invoice is.
People who feel this way shouldn't buy gas for their cars.
Gas is marked up over 100% when it's cheap, 200% or more when the prices are high.
I wish people would quit anonymously complaining about the gun stores online.
If you have a problem, go and ask for the owner and tell him face to face "I don't like the way you do business and I refuse to shop at your store"
Let him see who is talking crap about him.
+1
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you guys sound like a bunch of liberals. They shouldn't charge so much, we should spread the wealth around a little. If you don't like the prices someone is selling something for, don't buy it. If someone else is willing to pay the price, good for them.
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It's nobody's business what the damn invoice is.
People who feel this way shouldn't buy gas for their cars.
Gas is marked up over 100% when it's cheap, 200% or more when the prices are high.
I wish people would quit anonymously complaining about the gun stores online.
If you have a problem, go and ask for the owner and tell him face to face "I don't like the way you do business and I refuse to shop at your store"
Let him see who is talking crap about him.
+2 :worship:
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What are people doing with the 30 round Pmags besides hoarding them? LOL
Koko head only allows 5 rounds in the mag and 30 is illegal unless pinned to 10.
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It's nobody's business what the damn invoice is.
People who feel this way shouldn't buy gas for their cars.
Gas is marked up over 100% when it's cheap, 200% or more when the prices are high.
I wish people would quit anonymously complaining about the gun stores online.
If you have a problem, go and ask for the owner and tell him face to face "I don't like the way you do business and I refuse to shop at your store"
Let him see who is talking crap about him.
What he said!! :thumbsup:
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I heard Anthony was pre-selling P-Mags for $200 a pop a week or so ago.
For a 10-pack?
It's nobody's business what the damn invoice is.
People who feel this way shouldn't buy gas for their cars.
Gas is marked up over 100% when it's cheap, 200% or more when the prices are high.
I wish people would quit anonymously complaining about the gun stores online.
If you have a problem, go and ask for the owner and tell him face to face "I don't like the way you do business and I refuse to shop at your store"
Let him see who is talking crap about him.
I agree with this sentiment, stripping the profit out of a business = no business. However, I believe your reference to gasoline prices is misinformed. If you've ever looked at the financial statements of a gas station you'll see that there's pretty much no profit on selling gas. Fees, taxes, regulations on prices, etc. make up the prices. The real profit from a gas station comes from the convenience store at the gas station. Even the smallest gas stations have a tiny booth with a clerk sitting in there surround by drinks, snacks, cigarettes, toiletries, gum, etc. The gas selling part only exists to create the foot traffic for the convenience store.
A better way to illustrate your point would be to give details on the pricing scheme to almost any store. I used to work at Longs Drugs, I bought a hair dryer for my mom because she needed a new one; price tag $25, price I paid $6. The Longs Drugs employee discount is cost +5%, so how do you like that markup? On the other hand, stuff on sale at Longs is cheaper than employee pricing which means their profit on sale items comes purely from volume. The reason for the markup difference is hair dryer sales are probably really slow by comparison, I mean how often do you need a new hair dryer? But both are priced to fit the revenue needs of the store in order to continue operations. Of course that's just a quick example and there are more economic factors to consider but that would be going off point.
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it seems everyone forgets supply and demand, the more the demand - the higher the prices rise until equilibrium is reach. as demand drops the lower the price goes until equilibrium. econ 101. right now the gun shops aren't following that, they are maintaining the prices no matter the supply so it become a first come first served business.
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If you look at my original post I was praising KGS. I understand supply and demand just fine. I don't see Brownells, Midway, etc. raising their prices. KGS was always slightly over MSRP.
In the past I have talked shit to Carter's face. He talks alot of shit too.
My family used to own a few gas stations. Taxes is what kills the final price of gas. If I remember correctly when we closed gas taxes were 52 cents per gal state, a nickel per gal city, and sales tax on top of that. We were lucky if we made 3-5 cents per gal.
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What are people doing with the 30 round Pmags besides hoarding them? LOL
Koko head only allows 5 rounds in the mag and 30 is illegal unless pinned to 10.
honolulu firearms lets you load up and some people do shoot there.
why would you pay for a 10 or 5 round mag when a 30 round mag is the same price? that's my question.
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honolulu firearms lets you load up and some people do shoot there.
why would you pay for a 10 or 5 round mag when a 30 round mag is the same price? that's my question.
That's true, and why are 10 and 20 round mags more expensive than 30 round mags?
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That's true, and why are 10 and 20 round mags more expensive than 30 round mags?
probably because 30 is the standard and they have to take off production to make smaller capacities special instead of running one high efficiency factory line on 30's.
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What are people doing with the 30 round Pmags besides hoarding them? LOL
Koko head only allows 5 rounds in the mag and 30 is illegal unless pinned to 10.
Saving for SHTF scenario, it looks better, use at a different range, HDF Fun Shoots and other club events? (I've never been to one, thus the question mark). The 10 limit only applies to handguns.
why would you pay for a 10 or 5 round mag when a 30 round mag is the same price? that's my question.
Smaller mag more convenient for bench shooting?
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What are people doing with the 30 round Pmags besides hoarding them? LOL
Koko head only allows 5 rounds in the mag and 30 is illegal unless pinned to 10.
I dont have pinned 30rd pmags and i have never had any issue ..... at koko head.....
You also have to take into account the a$$holes that are either panic buying are planning to charge more than the store owners who have overhead and employees. OGC and xring have fair prices. Remember they can turn around and sell there shipments elsewhere and make more profit. I bought two 3rd gen p mags $28. Each. I got them because I wanted the dot matrix so I could number the mags, my older mags I just use good old punch tape. I only bought two as to see quality, I saw no need to buy there entire stock. It's not the store that's screwing us, it's other shooters. Look at the ammo prices and scarceness, greedy, panicked, selfish gun owners the type that give the whole sport and industries a bad name.
If anyone is offended or wants to say something to my face my address is 1600 Pennsylvania ave, look for the big white house. Punks!
and as for OGC... if you dont like the price dont buy ...... thats capitalism "you vote with your pocket books'" if you prefer socialism or communism be my guess there are many countries out there ( and there are still a few that allow you to have the privilege of possess a firearm if you are a citizen..... Go for it....... I am one to those individuals that sold a lot of my magazines in December/January.... I'm a senior in college student with a newborn and a crappy $10 an hour part time job..... I sold my extra pmags with the Belief that there is a very good chance that I will not be able to replace them.... I stocked up when I had money now I dont so I sold them at market price..... so dont down people that are selling their mags or ammo at what ever price .... You dont know their situation.... (BTW I didnt buy any pmags since the panic buying happend also i didn't hoard buy ammo or pmag that kinda sucks but it up to the stores to enforce buying limits.... free country... for now)
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True, but I'll believe it when I see their invoice. A honest owner would not bring in products at a inflated price just because he knows people are panicking and it'll sell. If it is in fact the distributor, I'd find another because then the distributor is dishonest. Maybe Magpul is lying too but they said repeatedly they have not raised their prices due to recent events.
$16 and $18. X-ring and OGC advertising $28 and $29.
No one is forcing you to walk through any shops door. If you do not like their prices please start looking for another vendor.
As for their "invoices", or the cost at which the store acquires their products through distribution or vendors, it is no one's business but theirs. You might liken it to someone asking to see how much you have in the bank, or how much you payed in taxes each year.
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For a 10-pack?
I agree with this sentiment, stripping the profit out of a business = no business. However, I believe your reference to gasoline prices is misinformed. If you've ever looked at the financial statements of a gas station you'll see that there's pretty much no profit on selling gas. Fees, taxes, regulations on prices, etc. make up the prices. The real profit from a gas station comes from the convenience store at the gas station. Even the smallest gas stations have a tiny booth with a clerk sitting in there surround by drinks, snacks, cigarettes, toiletries, gum, etc. The gas selling part only exists to create the foot traffic for the convenience store.
A better way to illustrate your point would be to give details on the pricing scheme to almost any store. I used to work at Longs Drugs, I bought a hair dryer for my mom because she needed a new one; price tag $25, price I paid $6. The Longs Drugs employee discount is cost +5%, so how do you like that markup? On the other hand, stuff on sale at Longs is cheaper than employee pricing which means their profit on sale items comes purely from volume. The reason for the markup difference is hair dryer sales are probably really slow by comparison, I mean how often do you need a new hair dryer? But both are priced to fit the revenue needs of the store in order to continue operations. Of course that's just a quick example and there are more economic factors to consider but that would be going off point.
Yeah longs and the discount they had. Cost+10% when i was there. Was still cheap though. I used to walk around with the price gun and print out reports, the one that shows you cost and then retail price. Pretty interesting, and the boss always used to get mad at me for doing that. Now they changed the discount, to many people abusing it. Im not sure what CVS policy is.
Another thing that gets me is when they tell you "its because the cost of shipping". Thats total bs. The company pays for the entire container. if you were to evenly divide the price among all the products in the container it would still be cheaper. lame excuse. And im getting this from the perspective of someone that used to work at a pet store.
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You get mags whereever you can. Last time we sold them at 35. We bought them from someone at a crazy high price but at least they had a lot them. And they all sold within a day. Last shipment was from our normal distributor. So normal price.
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Never understood the demand for PMAGs. I have them but I prefer GI aluminum ones. I had FTF with PMAG 20s loaded up with Mk 262. Right now supply seems to be catching up so prices should be coming down. Buy low and sell high is always the best advice to heed. The next shortage is ammo. All those PMAGs are worthless without ammo in them!