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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: USAFSSgt on February 15, 2013, 10:25:56 PM
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Damn this constant Hawaiian humidity. I live in a non-air conditioned house and I'm really at my wits end with the rust that never stops attacking my firearms. I keep my guns well oiled and kept in gun cases with moisture absorbers with no effect. Does anybody have any tips on how to beat the Iron Oxide menace?
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1) Most important is regular re-oiling. If you don't clean and oil regularly nothing else is going to work in the long run. Everything else reduces how often you have to re-oil.
2) I have one of these (http://"http://www.eva-dry.com/products/eva-dry-333-mini-dehumidifier/") in my gun cabinet and recharge it regularly.
3) Don't keep anything in its case. The case will hold moisture against the weapon more than the air will.
4) If you aren't going to be shooting it for a while oil the snot out of it.
5) Get good at taking your weapons completely apart and putting them back together. Doing so regularly (not necessarily often) and cleaning/oiling each piece is the best defense against rust in places you never get to when you just field strip it for cleaning.
That's my technique so far. And so far, so good.
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Oil.
and keep them out of the foam cases, they trap moisture. After I clean my rifle, I rub them down with a rag with gun oil.
disclaimer: I live in Ewa Beach. It's not as humid as the windward side.
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I've seen posts about corrosionx and decided to try it out now.... They sell it at young guns and the guy said it was good stuff.... Some people use it on their fishing reels and boats, so it must be doing something right....
Desiccant packs might work...
I've heard of people using char coal in there safe...
I've seen those closable storage bags online that suppose to keep out air and moisture...
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I oil the hell outta my guns. I don't have a gun safe however, so I'm a bit hesitant to just leave em out.
Thanks for the responses, ill look in to that corrosionx.
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I've used a combination of LPS 3, gun socks and desiccant over the years with success
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https://www.zcorrproducts.com (https://www.zcorrproducts.com)
Have not used myself but they seem to be solid products!
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I try not to drool on them so much.
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https://www.zcorrproducts.com (https://www.zcorrproducts.com)
Have not used myself but they seem to be solid products!
Interesting, might have to pick up a few.
I try not to drool on them so much.
Thats why I'm most worried about my M1A EBR haha.
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you could always buy a a/c for 100-150 bucks and be good to go... just saying and it will make your room comfortable. Too much eletricity? Just buy a single solar pannel from revolusun or 2 from the other crappier brands and it will power your 5-12k btu a/c unit 24/7! I keep my room at a comfortable 60 degrees year round and have never had problem with rust here.
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There's an article about this subject on the Hawaii Rifle Association web site:
http://hawaiirifleassociation.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=58 (http://hawaiirifleassociation.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=58)
They are recommended Rusty's Rags, which is silicone infused sheepskin. I picked one up at Young Guns and am trying it out.
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:shaka:
The glock 21 I use for home defense I oil every so often and keep it in one of the anti corrosion red bags. All the other pistols I keep well oiled and in a case with foam padding (I know-not supposed to be good) but I keep the case in one of those space saver bags with the air vacuumed out. Same with my rifles; oiled, in the soft or hard cases, but in vacuum sealed xl bags. Been doing that for years with no issues so far, and I live in ola'a on the big island where everyone has an ark built on their property.
What is crazy, and I don't know if anyone else has this problem, I don't get rust but I get mold!!! What the hell kind of extraterrestrial mold we got on the big island. I soak the guns in hoppes and oil and vacuum seal them in a bag for a few months, but when I open the case, there's a layer of mold on the foam padding and even rubber grips!! I mean what the hell kind of mold can grow on non substrate organic and in such a chemically inhospitable environment?
But I guess I'll take the mold over the rust.
I would try the vacuum bag technique.
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Spray it with WD40 and lightly wipe it down
But don't get the oil get to the ammo
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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000H0XFCS/?tag=2ahawaii-20 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000H0XFCS/?tag=2ahawaii-20)
I use one of these in my safe. It's good because once it gets used up, I just plug in it and it renews itself. keeps the humidity around low 40
btw how often do you guys re-oil your guns?
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WD40 is not good for a gun lubricant.
You shouldn't store your guns in the foam lined case.
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i have two of those in my 12 gun safe, and it never gets below 60 on my hygrometer
and i recharge both of them twice a week!
niu valley, so not the most humid or most dry on oahu
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000H0XFCS/?tag=2ahawaii-20 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000H0XFCS/?tag=2ahawaii-20)
I use one of these in my safe. It's good because once it gets used up, I just plug in it and it renews itself. keeps the humidity around low 40
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my small handgun safe has foam liner on the bottom. I put a plastic sheet over it so the gun isn't touching the foam
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Don't let your guns touch any foam stuff. They're giant sponges that suck in and retain moisture. Keeping your guns in a case is also bad because it doesn't allow the air to circulate.
I use a heating rod at the bottom of my gun cabinet with Damp Rid buckets and those blue bags from Corrosion Cops. They said those blue bags are what they use to store and ship military firearms to the guys in the field. You can also bury it or submerge in water with no problems. I think their store is in Waipahu but I just find them at the gun show. Haven't had any problems yet.
Also, dessicant packs in every ammo can, gun case, range bag pocket, etc. Overboard? Maybe. Corrosion/rust issues? Nope.
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I keep my guns in sealed pelican cases with dessicant packs in each. Have not seen any rust issues yet... I also keep them wiped down with oil or silicon rags and be sure not to leave any un wiped fingerprints..
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What should i do then, if i only have a hardcase lined with foam? Granted, i dont have any rust. Except, i AM starting to notice traces of it forming on my flash suppressor. I'm not terrible worried about the recievers or the bolt, because those are coated and/or aluminum, but i am worried about my barrel.
should i get a soft case, and maybe hang it in my closet with a dehumidifier? or put packs in the case i have?
I want to get a safe, but dont quite have the budget just yet.
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Best thing you can do is get a dehumidifying rod for a safe or gun cabinet. It raises the temperature a few degrees about the ambient room temperature and lowers the relative humidity. I never have to oil my rifles in the safe and I live in on the windward side. Putting a desiccant pack in a safe is just going to make things worse-they only work well in a sealed environment like an ammo can. Otherwise they just constantly pull moisture into whatever container you keep them in.
I also keep a large VCI canister like the following one in my safe, just for additional protection. Since I have installed the dehumidifying rod and the canister I have ZERO rust issues, and I learned that lesson the hard way by having to send a rifle off to be refinished due to rust.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0058VSK3K/?tag=2ahawaii-20 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0058VSK3K/?tag=2ahawaii-20)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B001IEALYW/?tag=2ahawaii-20 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B001IEALYW/?tag=2ahawaii-20)
Hope this helps.
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well, i dont have a safe, yet, so i guess i'll just have to use the packs.
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well, i dont have a safe, yet, so i guess i'll just have to use the packs.
get a safe ASAP!
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im going to get one, but i just dont have money for one right now.
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get a safe ASAP!
The thing is, if you don't have a large collection or if your collection is not that valuable, it's cheaper just to buy more guns or save the money for new guns. Lets say I have a single .22lr handgun which cost me 200 bucks used, are you saying it would be worth it for me to even buy even a cheap desktop handgun safe which cost just about the same amount as this gun does? I live alone with no kids in my home ever. A good safe not only takes up money but precious real estate in your home (not everyone in hawaii has a big house or even a house. Some of us live in a studio/one bedroom apartment...). Transporting a large dedicated gun safe is also a problem, espeically up stairs or up places which don't have elevators. Ideally yes, you should get a safe but you should realize that a safe is not for everyone.
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The thing is, if you don't have a large collection or if your collection is not that valuable, it's cheaper just to buy more guns or save the money for new guns. Lets say I have a single .22lr handgun which cost me 200 bucks used, are you saying it would be worth it for me to even buy even a cheap desktop handgun safe which cost just about the same amount as this gun does? I live alone with no kids in my home ever. A good safe not only takes up money but precious real estate in your home (not everyone in hawaii has a big house or even a house. Some of us live in a studio/one bedroom apartment...). Transporting a large dedicated gun safe is also a problem, espeically up stairs or up places which don't have elevators. Ideally yes, you should get a safe but you should realize that a safe is not for everyone.
right, like, i currently own one rifle, i would need to get a lot of people out here to move a safe up the steps, have no kids in the house, and happen to have a reaqlly nice location on my street which would make a robbery PRETTY unlikely. i just dont really have the budget right now. i cant justify purchasing a safe as of yet.
im on the look out for one, but i have to save up for it as of now.
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I've been reading this thread carefully thanks for all the input and info guys. :shaka:
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You can find a gun cabinet at Sports Authority for less than $200. That is what I started out with before upgrading to a fire-resistant safe.
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You can find a gun cabinet at Sports Authority for less than $200. That is what I started out with before upgrading to a fire-resistant safe.
how heavy are they? i need to be able to this this as a two man job up stairs.
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how heavy are they? i need to be able to this this as a two man job up stairs.
Easy two man job. I was able to move mine without assistance. Probably weighed around 60-80 pounds.
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All of the things mentioned here are all good ideas. Safe placement is often overlooked. Think about it most people place a safe in a cool, dark, damp corner in their house where the air is stagnant just cause its a convienient place to put. Use some common sense. I messed around with an old 10 gun safe and put a bead of silicone sealer around the door edges and use damp rid. Gotta say works pretty good for the upstairs safe. My 64 gunsafe downstairs has all the other gadgets and really I see no difference.
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Easy two man job. I was able to move mine without assistance. Probably weighed around 60-80 pounds.
Yep. I picked up and installed my 8 gun cabinet by myself. I used a dolly to help move it since the box is a little wide making it awkward to carry. One out of the box, the safe/cabinet is easy to move around.
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Hunter1007 u have a 64 gun safe?? That's more like a small bedroom or a prison armory.... I'm jealous.... Hahaha
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Hunter1007 u have a 64 gun safe?? That's more like a small bedroom or a prison armory.... I'm jealous.... Hahaha
I got the safe yeah, don't mean I got 64. The wife would put 64 pairs of shoes in their before I get half that in guns ;D
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I got the safe yeah, don't mean I got 64. The wife would put 64 pairs of shoes in their before I get half that in guns ;D
don't forget handbags you know how women love those too... LOL
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Figure i put my input on this since i've been around guns my whole life. I take out all the guns at least once a year to fully disassemble, clean, and oil. Many of them do not see range time, antiques already lol. Anyway, i've had those bags in the safe to help with the humidity and still get light rust over time. Got a new house about 5 years ago with central ac and to me that made a huge difference. Nothing in the safes except the guns and the rust is literally kept to a bare minimum now. Even the guns that are over a 100 years old are holding up just fine.
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Do the fabric gun socks really work? I know people who have used them for years and have no rust issues.... These days guys are saying its worthless....
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Do the fabric gun socks really work? I know people who have used them for years and have no rust issues.... These days guys are saying its worthless....
Had one on a rifle and it did nothing. The smaller ones seem to work better on pistols if you are keeping them in a nightstand or similar location.
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I'm not so sure about those socks.
A friend of mine stored a shotgun in one and the gun still rusted.
Admittedly I don't know any more details. ( where it was stored, what circumstances, etc...)
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Do the fabric gun socks really work? I know people who have used them for years and have no rust issues.... These days guys are saying its worthless....
I have all of my longarms and about half of my handguns stored in silicon-impregnated fabric socks. Not only do I have no issues with rust, it keeps the guns from banging against each other in a seriously overcrowded safe.
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I have all of my longarms and about half of my handguns stored in silicon-impregnated fabric socks. Not only do I have no issues with rust, it keeps the guns from banging against each other in a seriously overcrowded safe.
+1 works well for me and i live deeep in palolo valley with 60-80% humidity on the regular.
i bought a couple cheapy socks from various places on the net, but i find the thicker polyester ones to be the best. they are more durable and less breathable than the cotton variety. i can see the cotton type failing because not only is it breathable, when you stretch it you can see right through it because its thin and has too much built in elastic. the polyester are harder to fit on the gun but provide more cushioned padding for when rifles bump.
i got a 6pack of long rifle socks for about 20 bucks off of midway. good deals. i think i paid like 7 each for 2 tiny pistol socks from the last local gunshow.
heres a little tip i learned, as im sliding the sock down i massage the barrel and receiver lightly so the sock wipes down any fingerprints that were put on from handling before storage.
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I have all of my longarms and about half of my handguns stored in silicon-impregnated fabric socks. Not only do I have no issues with rust, it keeps the guns from banging against each other in a seriously overcrowded safe.
Yeah, it was my understanding that the treatment/impregnation (is that even a word?) of the sock is the key. I have one for a long gun that I rarely shoot and no problems with rust. That said, I don't have any problems with rust on any of my guns. I keep them in a gun cabinet and have a large packet of DampRid in there to keep the humidity down. All of my firearms are relatively new (1990's until now) and no neat stuff like case hardening or other rust sensitive finishes.
And I can help you with your overcrowded safe! I don't have many commie guns, just an Arsenal AK. ;D