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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: swissk31 on February 26, 2013, 05:50:48 AM

Title: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: swissk31 on February 26, 2013, 05:50:48 AM
 See how these flag officers think of gun ownership in gun-ban ad.  http://t.co/x8zabcpHtQ
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: Kingkeoni on February 26, 2013, 06:03:37 AM
I guess I'm a coward.

A well armed coward.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: BUD on February 26, 2013, 08:57:09 AM
B.S.   :shake: :shake: :shake:
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: 2aHawaii on February 26, 2013, 09:44:12 AM
Link didn't work for me, here's the direct link: http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/02/gun-control-ad-assault-weapons-not-for-cowards-157877.html (http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/02/gun-control-ad-assault-weapons-not-for-cowards-157877.html)

"Guns belong on a battlefield," "guns belong some place safe and secure." These people sure know what they are talking about. Put these guys in control of and army, and sure they know what's going on, but when it comes to the 2nd, they don't know jack.
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: ren on February 26, 2013, 09:52:43 AM
That's why I am wary of part time soldiers / politicians. 
"I was in the <fill in the blank> and I know how powerful these weapons are..."
"In the <fill n the blank> we had to register weapons and keep them in a safe on post, so citizens should do that as well"

In my experience, few service members see the irony they are in - they belong to a socialist organization that is defending a democratic society. Just because a certain method/procedure is done in the military doesn't mean it is the best idea in the civie world.

Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: kaneohegrown on February 26, 2013, 10:36:21 AM
Screw that, someone should put a Fort Hood victim in their damn face and tell them "Yeah all the firearms were at the armory, that sure as hell didn't stop someone from walking up and shooting people on base..."
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: oldfart on February 26, 2013, 11:54:29 AM
A favorite quote of mine:

"Opinions are like assholes...Everybody has one"

Given enough time or money, you can find somebody to say anything you want. Then reccord it, edit it into a video, and present it to the public to influence opinions or behavior. It is called advertising.

This is no different than somebody telling you that drinking Heineken and using Old Spice deodorant will make you sexy and popular.
It is unfortunate that many people are too lazy to think for themselves and see through the bs.

I reckon I am a coward too. A proud gun-totin' all american, well informed coward. Amen.
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: hnl.flyboy on February 26, 2013, 12:18:38 PM
I reckon I am a coward too. A proud gun-totin' all american, well informed coward. Amen.

Another proud, gun-totin' all American, well informed coward here!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: crazy cat on February 26, 2013, 05:17:40 PM
In a state of tranquillity, wealth, and luxury, our descendants would forget the arts of war and the noble activity and zeal which made their ancestors invincible. Every art of corruption would be employed to loosen the bond of union which renders our resistance formidable. When the spirit of liberty, which now animates our hearts and gives success to our arms, is extinct, our numbers will accelerate our ruin and render us easier victims to tyranny. If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom—go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!
                                                                                              Samuel Adams
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: 338KID on February 26, 2013, 10:06:42 PM
Yeah a coward for not owning more
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: BananaClip on February 26, 2013, 10:52:10 PM
"cow·ard" 
noun
1. A person who lacks courage in facing danger, difficulty, opposition, pain, etc.; a timid or easily intimidated person.

Are they doing reverse psychology......  :rofl:
Over and over, they try to reach the stupid people...... :crazy:
I would think that when you side & hide behind our government, you're a coward....HAHAHA :rofl: "SIDE-N-HIDE" :rofl:

Or maybe they are "FOOLS"

  "fool"
noun
1.   A: a person lacking in judgment or prudence

2.   A: a retainer formerly kept in great households to provide casual entertainment and commonly dressed in motley with cap and bells

      B : one who is victimized or made to appear foolish : dupe

3.    A: a harmlessly deranged person or one lacking in common powers of understanding

      B: one with a marked propensity or fondness for something <a dancing fool> <a fool for candy>

4.    A: a cold dessert of pureed fruit mixed with whipped cream or custard
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: Aegis808 on February 26, 2013, 11:09:17 PM
There's a reason my command never actually knew where i kept my weapons when i was in.
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: clshade on February 27, 2013, 12:09:08 AM
Real men use double barreled shotguns.
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: Jl808 on February 27, 2013, 12:15:24 AM
Famous words of Samuel Colt:

"Fear no man no matter size,
  count on me I'll equalize."
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: Colt808 on February 27, 2013, 12:56:48 AM
Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?

Seriously? That's what you guys are getting from the 30 second commerical? I watched it several times trying to figure out where all the indignation is coming from. Maybe some are having difficulty comprehending:

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"...not for cowards to use", "in movie theaters", "in classrooms", "or on our streets".

People who use any weapon against the helpless/innocent ARE cowards. So I've no problem with that statement and don't see why anyone else would.
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: oldfart on February 27, 2013, 07:31:54 AM
Seriously? That's what you guys are getting from the 30 second commerical? I watched it several times trying to figure out where all the indignation is coming from. Maybe some are having difficulty comprehending:

People who use any weapon against the helpless/innocent ARE cowards. So I've no problem with that statement and don't see why anyone else would.
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Ad quote: " Assault weapons are weapons of war, not for cowards to use in movie theaters, classrooms or ....." etc.

Think about the context of the ad as a whole. By putting forth a statement like that, I deduce that the writers of the ad are trying to convince viewers that:
1- Semi-auto rifles are not for civilian use.
2- Since cowards use such firearms to assault people, then therefore all people who own such firearms are cowards.

Perhaps the message is a bit subtle...almost subliminal. But it is there.
If you look at the name of the sponsor, it is not entirely obvious what it is..."Demand a plan .org"
If you study the well-written script, you will see the psychological aspect:

Ad script:

“I know. I know what guns can do. Guns in the right hands protect us.  Guns belong on battlefields. Guns belong in a place that’s safe and secure. Assault weapons are weapons of war, not for cowards to use. Movie theaters, classrooms or on our streets. As a general, as an admiral, as a member of the armed forces, as a gun owner, I demand a plan. Demand action. Enough. Enough. Enough.”

You see how the writer flips back and forth trying to confuse the casual viewer?

Thomas Jefferson,(1796) wrote: "Go on doing with your pen what in other times was done with the sword."

This is high-level psy-war ops.
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: Colt808 on February 27, 2013, 07:42:03 PM
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Ad quote: " Assault weapons are weapons of war, not for cowards to use in movie theaters, classrooms or ....." etc.

Think about the context of the ad as a whole. By putting forth a statement like that, I deduce that the writers of the ad are trying to convince viewers that:
1- Semi-auto rifles are not for civilian use.
2- Since cowards use such firearms to assault people, then therefore all people who own such firearms are cowards.


Perhaps the message is a bit subtle...almost subliminal. But it is there.
If you look at the name of the sponsor, it is not entirely obvious what it is..."Demand a plan .org"
If you study the well-written script, you will see the psychological aspect:

Ad script:

“I know. I know what guns can do. Guns in the right hands protect us.  Guns belong on battlefields. Guns belong in a place that’s safe and secure. Assault weapons are weapons of war, not for cowards to use. Movie theaters, classrooms or on our streets. As a general, as an admiral, as a member of the armed forces, as a gun owner, I demand a plan. Demand action. Enough. Enough. Enough.”

You see how the writer flips back and forth trying to confuse the casual viewer?

Thomas Jefferson,(1796) wrote: "Go on doing with your pen what in other times was done with the sword."

This is high-level psy-war ops.

I don't disagree with your first point of the implied message, but the second is a bit of a reach. 
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: Hunter1007 on February 27, 2013, 08:31:21 PM
huh if I own a firearm legally I'm a coward? This is getting all kinds of crazy now. So what does that make our military and the govornment who arms them with the most lethal, cutting edge weapons in the world? :wtf:
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: xer 21 on February 27, 2013, 09:59:30 PM
I don't disagree with your first point of the implied message, but the second is a bit of a reach.
for one, if it was "high level psy-ops", it probably wouldnt be able to be dissected by some random dude after seeing it for 3 minutes.
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: oldfart on February 28, 2013, 12:22:54 AM
I don't disagree with your first point of the implied message, but the second is a bit of a reach.
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yeah, ok. Maybe it is a bit of a reach.  I inhaled too much lead and mercury particles.

But you have to admit, using those "Authority-figures" to spew benign phrases intertwined with provocative ideology was pretty clever, eh?
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: oldfart on February 28, 2013, 12:31:45 AM
for one, if it was "high level psy-ops", it probably wouldnt be able to be dissected by some random dude after seeing it for 3 minutes.
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Perhaps "Psy-war ops" was an exaggeration. But this random dude has been dissecting television advertising for over 35 years.
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: Colt808 on February 28, 2013, 03:59:18 AM
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yeah, ok. Maybe it is a bit of a reach.  I inhaled too much lead and mercury particles.

But you have to admit, using those "Authority-figures" to spew benign phrases intertwined with provocative ideology was pretty clever, eh?
Sure, but (to me) it's no more clever than any other ad.

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Perhaps "Psy-war ops" was an exaggeration. But this random dude has been dissecting television advertising for over 35 years.
I can agree with that part.  Maybe not high level, but it's there. Again, that's just advertising in general...just psychological warfare to get people to buy what they're selling.



The point I was making is that inferring something that just isn't there becomes very counterproductive. And I don't see how anyone would group themselves with emotionally unstable and morally corrupt individuals like Holmes, Lanza, or Loughner by proudly declaring themselves a "coward" for owning guns. I know some meant it to be tongue-in-cheek responses to a perceived slight, but I take the issue seriously and strongly feel gun owners should try to remain appropriate/mature with their words and actions.  Personally, I'd have chosen words that distance the myself (and legal gun owners) from the nutty bunch.
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: oldfart on February 28, 2013, 07:05:27 AM
sigh :(
I fear I may have crossed over into the tin-foil hat crowd...paranoia induced by the blitz of anti-gun stories on tv nowdays.

OK, time to get back to more useful endeavors.
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: xer 21 on February 28, 2013, 11:42:22 PM
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Perhaps "Psy-war ops" was an exaggeration. But this random dude has been dissecting television advertising for over 35 years.
oh, im not saying its they arent trying some subversive manipulation.  they are clearly trying to contrast a position subtly but negatively.


Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: Colt808 on March 01, 2013, 12:36:46 AM
sigh :(
I fear I may have crossed over into the tin-foil hat crowd...paranoia induced by the blitz of anti-gun stories on tv nowdays.

OK, time to get back to more useful endeavors.
Brother...we're old so that's kind of expected at some point.
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: CSaladino on March 04, 2013, 11:12:52 AM
I guess im a coward with a semi auto!  Lol
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: Sturmgeschutz on March 04, 2013, 01:34:13 PM
Coward?

No, just too lazy to operate a bolt action rifle
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: whynow? on March 04, 2013, 02:06:52 PM
I own personal defense weapons not assault weapons.
 >:(
Title: Re: Are you a coward for owning a semi-auto ?
Post by: TeamSDSHawaii on March 04, 2013, 08:24:43 PM
Worthless video of pieced together statements... That's what they do... exploit peoples ignorance for their personal anti-gun gain. sad....