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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Jl808 on March 04, 2013, 02:58:47 PM
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According to the NRA, apparently SB69 has morphed from a gun buyback bill to also include additional background checks for all gun owners.
I am checking with the HRA what their official position is but NRA is encouraging that we oppose this bill ASAP.
I posted the email from the NRA-ILA at the Legislative boards here.
http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=6746.msg66649#msg66649 (http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=6746.msg66649#msg66649)
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Just wanted to let you guys know that the HRA has a different take on this bill. I just asked if they were going to communicate an official position on this or not.
If you are curious on what their position is, please contact HRA directly.
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I sure wish a HRA rep would check this site and keep us up to date with stuff. We all need to be on the same page on these things. I think that they support the amendments, as ridiculous as they sound to me, IMHO. But perhaps they made a deal to accept this to defer that..? Yet another compromise on freedom?(pure speculation)
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I'd go for NICS background checks on everyone, IF they abolish registration for longguns.
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Max from HRA said it was okay or me to post his email to me on this so I added his email to this link.
HRA position on SB69: Support (with amendment) or hope the bill dies
http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=6746.msg66768#msg66768 (http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=6746.msg66768#msg66768)
NRA position on SB69: Oppose
http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=6746.msg66649#msg66649 (http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=6746.msg66649#msg66649)
What do you guys think? Support or oppose?
Please follow the other thread linked above to discuss so the discussion can stay on one thread.
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I'd go for NICS background checks on everyone, IF they abolish registration for longguns.
This sounds good. Seems like big brother is quite picky about what he is willing to give up freely, while us mere civilians choose the lesser of 2 evils.
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I would support that. It would cut the lines down at PD.
I'd go for NICS background checks on everyone, IF they abolish registration for longguns.
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Max from HRA said it was okay or me to post his email to me on this so I added his email to this link.
HRA position on SB69: Support (with amendment) or hope the bill dies
http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=6746.msg66768#msg66768 (http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=6746.msg66768#msg66768)
NRA position on SB69: Oppose
http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=6746.msg66649#msg66649 (http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=6746.msg66649#msg66649)
What do you guys think? Support or oppose?
Please follow the other thread linked above to discuss so the discussion can stay on one thread.
I'll put my money and vote with the NRA.
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Max from HRA said it was okay or me to post his email to me on this so I added his email to this link.
HRA position on SB69: Support (with amendment) or hope the bill dies
http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=6746.msg66768#msg66768 (http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=6746.msg66768#msg66768)
NRA position on SB69: Oppose
http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=6746.msg66649#msg66649 (http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=6746.msg66649#msg66649)
What do you guys think? Support or oppose?
Please follow the other thread linked above to discuss so the discussion can stay on one thread.
Oppose
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just posted this in the other thread:
need to oppose
if this thing makes it to conference committee, all the anti language goes back in, and we cannot testify against or do anything
it must be stopped NOW
that's all this is, a trojan horse
we are screwed once this thing hits crossover
Oppose
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Just received this email from the NRA. Please read below...
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Hawaii: Gun Registration Bill Passes the Senate
On March 5, Senate Bill 69 (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=69 (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=69)) passed out of the state Senate by a 21-3 vote. Introduced by state senators Will Espero (D-19), Rosalyn Baker (D-6), Brickwood Galuteria (D-12) and Josh Green (D-3), SB 69 was originally a gun buy-back bill (http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2013/1/hawaii-gun-buyback-bill-scheduled-to-be-heard-this-week.aspx?s=&st=10475&ps= (http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2013/1/hawaii-gun-buyback-bill-scheduled-to-be-heard-this-week.aspx?s=&st=10475&ps=)), but has since evolved into a firearm registration and background check bill. In its current state, SB 69 will require fingerprinting and processing through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (“NICS”) in addition to the already existing registration requirement on ALL firearms brought into the state. It will also allocate an unspecified amount of money to each county to process these mandated background checks during a time when budgets and Hawaii’s economy are already strained.
Individuals who bring firearms into Hawaii from another state, even on a temporary basis, are already required to register their firearms within 72 hours. This bill now adds a fingerprinting, photographing, AND a background check requirement on the owner in addition to the already burdensome registration requirement on such legally possessed firearms. These requirements are so onerous that if one acquired an antique firearm or an unusable or unserviceable firearm, they would still have to undergo the entire background check, registration and fingerprinting process. Hunters and shooters beware, when traveling to Hawaii make sure to allocate at least one or two days to stand in line to register your firearm and undergo fingerprinting and a NICS check.
In summary, what can be known for sure is that this bill presents no viable solutions that would make improvements to Hawaii, but instead attacks law-abiding citizens who are choosing to exercise the right to own a firearm.
The bill has been referred to the House Public Safety, Judiciary, and Finance committees. Please contact your state Representative TODAY and urge him or her to oppose SB 69. You can find you state Representative and their contact information here (http://www.capwiz.com/nra/state/main/?state=HI&view=myofficials (http://www.capwiz.com/nra/state/main/?state=HI&view=myofficials)).
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After reading the post from HiCarry, it looks like they realized any other bill wouldn't stand a chance and stuffed this one with everything they wanted to accomplish. We need to act now. The fight is not over yet.
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muddabiotch! :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:
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Opposed to the final drafting.
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Submitted my opposition.
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Submitted new opposition. Also read this... http://www.civilbeat.com/articles/2013/03/11/18549-are-stronger-gun-laws-out-of-reach-politically/ (http://www.civilbeat.com/articles/2013/03/11/18549-are-stronger-gun-laws-out-of-reach-politically/)
Espiro is a out of touch elitist. He WILL NOT GET MY VOTE EVER AGAIN.
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Here is an email I just received from the HRA. Pls read.
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HRA HEARING ALERT, SB69, SD2
SB69, now metamorphosed into its second Hawaii Senate draft, has passed the Senate and is scheduled for its first of three committee hearings in the House, 9:30 am March 14, 2013, in the House Public Safety Committee (PBS), Chaired by Rep. Henry Aquino.
PBS is a friendly committee, so HRA advises large numbers of testifiers are not needed. HRA supports it but does recommend an amendment. NRA however opposes it and has advised its members to send testimony in opposition.
The bill, authored by Sen. WILL ESPERO and his anti-gun colleagues SENS. BAKER, GALUTERIA, and GREEN in the Senate Public Safety Committee started out as a terribly anti-gun bill. The Senate Ways and Means Committee adopted recommendations favorable to law-abiding HI gun owners by Chair David Ige, and gutted the anti-gun provisions. They approved language authorizing the county police to do telephonic (NICS National Instant Check System) checks on owners bringing in guns from out of state, and charge the floating fingerprint fee, currently $16.50, which the PD's pass on from FBI. The 3-day window for registering is increased to 5 days, compatible with in-state acquisition. The county PD's are already doing NICS checks on bring-in firearms, and universal registration is existing state law. HRA supports instant background checks. Some felons actually try to register guns. The current bill language overlooks HRA's previous testimony and still says the Chief of Police "may" waive the fingerprinting for registrants with prints on file. HRA will ask for an amendment removing any discretion. Fingerprints don't change. The fee should be one time only.
There is a risk to passing an amended bill. It will go to two more committees in the House, including anti-gun Rep. Karl Rhoads' Judiciary Committee, and Finance, leaving opportunity to add anti-gun amendments. It is the only gun bill left alive this session as a vehicle for anti-gun provisions. If it passes the House, it will go to conference committee where Senate and House committee Chairs bargain over its provisions. Sen Will Espero has already announced that he hopes to add his versions of restrictive gun control back into it. HRA will ask supportive Legislators to kill the bill if that develops.
Go to http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=69&year=2013 for bill history, language, and to submit testimony (or fax it to the PBS committee at 808 586-8529) before 9:30 am, Wed. Mar. 13.
A big mahalo to all you activists who support our gun rights during this difficult legislative session. Don’t let up before it’s over, May 2! Dead bills can be resurrected and all bills introduced this year are alive next year.
Dr Maxwell Cooper
HRA Legislative Liaison
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I plan on being there on Thursday AM. I've submitted online testimony, but it was a subset of what I hope to cover in maybe five minutes if I get the chance to present oral testimony. I really don't know for sure what I should say, but I felt I had to express my opposition to the 2nd draft. One concern is it goes back and Espero adds stuff back in to it in yet another draft, but that's not something I mention in emails or testimony- just something I need to be aware of. I also emailed every committee member on all three committee's last night, letting them know I had already submitted testimony online, and would be there on Th. I tried to highlight my opposition in these personal emails to the committee members based on what their respective committee "does" or looks at.
There is only one public hearing, w/ PBS (I think only PBS will be there, as it's listed as PBS, FIN, JUD (with comma seperators) vs PBS/FIN/JUD (with backslash seperators) if I have that right- it's not a joint committee hearing???
The three committeies to which I sent a personal message to all members:
For the PBS, I focus on the public safety opposition
For the JUD I focus on stuff like due process and enforcing laws/statuate already on the books, and busting criminals vs making more laws.
For the FIN I focus on the monetary stuff.
So on of my many questions (to present to FIN): has anyone looked at DBET data or other resources for information on how much money visiting shooters/hunters bring into our economy annually? I would like to stress how much money comes in to Hawaii from this group; how this could be adversely affected if the bill gets through, and how much money and time it will "cost" the already overburdened county registration Police depts.
I'm a complete newbie to this stuff, and don't want to do anything which will hurt "us" by accident. I plan on going down to the Public Access Room today or tomorrow, and just poking around.
If someone- anyone on this list- has 10-15 minutes to talk on the phone in the next day or so, I could use some help or advise. Please email or personal message me or or let me know how I can provide you my phone number or give you a call.
Thanks
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testimony submitted! :shaka:
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So on of my many questions (to present to FIN): has anyone looked at DBET data or other resources for information on how much money visiting shooters/hunters bring into our economy annually? I would like to stress how much money comes in to Hawaii from this group; how this could be adversely affected if the bill gets through, and how much money and time it will "cost" the already overburdened county registration Police depts.
I'm searching through http://hawaii.gov/dbedt/info/economic/visitor-stats (http://hawaii.gov/dbedt/info/economic/visitor-stats) to see if they somehow subset hunters/shooters in their visitors data, but it's a big site.
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On the DBEDT visitor statistics tables, I don't see the "Hunting" category separated out.
I only see "Sport Events" or "Pleasure/Vacation", both of which seem kind of broad.
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Thanks....I did find these three documents (attached), and was hoping I could somehow say what percentage of money is generated by US visitors from out of state, but the sample size was too small for them to report the out of state percentage (see Table7_58_075908_20130412.jpg attachment).
For this series of documents, only table 7.59 lists a dollar amount generated by hunting, fishing, propel who did both hunting and fishing, and Wildlife watching.
The website where these documents were available is: http://hawaii.gov/dbedt/search?SearchableText=hunting (http://hawaii.gov/dbedt/search?SearchableText=hunting) This page gives some text/report to accompany the tables.
Too bad, as it would be nice to say these data suggest several million in expenditures by out of state residents while hunting in Hawaii. Just can't bring it together from this though.
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Anyone willing to share their testimony? Would like to see the points made...
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Anyone willing to share their testimony? Would like to see the points made...
This is what I emailed my rep last night (still no response). May not be the best, but at least I contacted my rep.
Aloha Representative Say,
I am one of your constituents and I am writing you to voice my strong opposition to SB69 Introduced by Senators Espero, Baker, Galuteria, and Green. While this bill appears to have good intensions, I question the reasoning behind these added restrictions on our 2nd amendment rights and whether the expenditure of our tax money to support these restrictions is justified.
Fingerprinting and picture taking of individuals arriving in Hawaii to register their firearms is akin to treating them as if they were criminals for simply exercising their 2nd amendment rights. What is the purpose of the picture taking? At what cost? Do our elected officials believe that individuals with a criminal background that enter Hawaii will abide by our gun laws?
Section 3 appropriates our tax dollars for a gun buy-back program. I strongly oppose this as an unnecessary waste of our tax dollars as there is no evidence supporting the efficacy of this type of program. Do our elected officials actually believe that criminals will sell their illegally obtained firearms in a buy-back program?
While these types of bills appear to have good intensions, they are a violation of the U.S. Constitution as well as the Hawaii State Constitution Article 1 Section 17 which states, “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” These bills are an infringement of this right.
Representative Say, I urge you to oppose this bill. Your time and consideration is appreciated.
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Sent mine in now. I know it's late at night, but if you guys are reading this, write even a simple line or two stating that you see this as another redundant law or don't see how this will reduce crime. This may seem manini compared to something like all out confisication, but it's winning the little battles that gets them closer to winning the bigger ones. We gotta write, no matter how much we think a bill is dead or has no chance of passing. Can't let them think we're a minority who will keep our mouths shut while everything is stripped away.
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HRA may support this bill but I and many others do not. I submitted my opposition. IMO ANY MORE INFRINGEMENT is unacceptable. This is the beginning of the fight, we need to squash all these elitists ideas and designs on our rights, right now.
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Is anyone going to testify tomorrow on this bill? I would love to head over and testify tomorrow but have a conflicting appointment.
I am particularly bothered by the new requirement this bill introduces, requiring photographing of registering gun owners as though we were criminals getting mug shots taken.
Hope some of you can make it and oppose this horrible bill.