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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: 762fmj on March 22, 2013, 09:05:05 AM
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Looking for the format for a private sale firearms transfer form (AKA bill of sale) that shows that I sold and am transferring ownership of my firearm to another party. I Googled it and came across a Hawaii Island PD one. Maybe thats the same thing? Just gotta switch out Hawaii with Honolulu? Any help is appreciated.
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The last time I bought a pistol, the guy wrote all the info on a torn piece of scratch paper. (Name of owner, Serial number, Make/model, barrel length, caliber) I took it in, got the permit to acquire, then took the pistol to registration. That's all there was to it. (except for all the waiting in line, parking, traffic, taking off from work on multiple days, and various other bullsh*t)
If you want something formal then that is ok too.
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I use this one seems to work fine.
(http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg274/rb96706/Gun%20collection/FirearmBillofSaleform_zps66bb2528.jpg)
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I use this one seems to work fine.
(http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg274/rb96706/Gun%20collection/FirearmBillofSaleform_zps66bb2528.jpg)
That is a great bill of sale, thanks for sharing!
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I use this for long guns. ( Handguns you'll need more info. )
Got it from another 2A member and never had a problem with it either buying or selling. Provides a little less info.
Just copy and paste to word doc. Couldn't image Word doc. And be sure they have their long gun permit
NOTICE OF SALE
___________________
Date
ATTN: HONOLULU POLICE DEPARTMENT – FIREARMS REGISTRATION
801 S. BERETANIA ST.
HONOLULU, HI 96813
BUYER:_______________________________________________________________
PRINT SIGNATURE
PERMIT TO ACQUIRE NO.:___________________ EXP DATE:______________
MAKE /.MODEL ________________________________________________________
SERIAL NO:_______________________________________
NAME OF SELLER:______________________________________
______________________________ ___________________
SIGNATURE DATE
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I bought a pistol from a member on here, all the info was written on the back of a copy of his permit. Took that to HPD, not a problem.
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TO: HONOLULU POLICE DEPARTMENT
SUBJECT: TRANSFER OWNERSHIP OF FIREARM
Pursuant to Sec. 134.2 (4) Hawaii Revised Statutes (as amended 1994), you are hereby informed of the following transaction:
TRANSFEREE/BUYER:_______________________________________________________________________________________
ADDRESS:________________________________________________ CITY________________STATE________ZIP____________
PERMIT TO AQUIRE #______________________________ ______EXPIRATION DATE:_____________________________
SIGNATURE: ____________________________________________________ DATE: ______________TEL:___________________
**TRANSFEREE ASSUMES THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR REGISTRATION OF FIREARM TO ABIDE IN ACCORDANCE TO THE RULES AND REGULATIONS WITHIN THE GOVERNING MUNICIPLE, CITY, OR STATE.
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*MAKE:_______________________________________________________________________
*MODEL: _______________________________________________________________
*CALIBER: _______________ BARREL LENGTH:__________________________
*TYPE OF ACTION: ______________________________________________________
*FIREARM SERIAL NUMBER: _____________________________________________
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TRANSFEROR/SELLER: _________________________________________________________
ADDRESS: _______________________________________CITY: _____________ STATE: ________ ZIP:____ _______
SIGNATURE: ____________________________________________________ DATE: ______________TEL: _________________
**TRANSFEROR ASSUMES THE RESPONSIBILITY OF FIREARM TO BE WITHIN ACCORDANCE TO THE RULES AND REGULATIONS WITHIN THE GOVERNING MUNICIPLE, CITY, OR STATE.
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I use this one seems to work fine.
(http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg274/rb96706/Gun%20collection/FirearmBillofSaleform_zps66bb2528.jpg)
Thanks for the info.
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From the HRS and BATFE
Re State of Hawaii:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0002.htm (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0002.htm)
(f) In all cases where a pistol or revolver is acquired from another person within the State, the permit shall be signed in ink by the person to whom title to the pistol or revolver is transferred and shall be delivered to the person who is transferring title to the firearm, who shall verify that the person to whom the firearm is to be transferred is the person named in the permit and enter on the permit in the space provided the following information: name of the person to whom the title to the firearm was transferred; names of the manufacturer and importer; model; type of action; caliber or gauge; and serial number as applicable. The person who is transferring title to the firearm shall sign the permit in ink and cause the permit to be delivered or sent by registered mail to the issuing authority within forty-eight hours after transferring the firearm.
In all cases where receipt of a firearm is had by mail, express, freight, or otherwise from sources without the State, the person to whom the permit has been issued shall make the prescribed entries on the permit, sign the permit in ink, and cause the permit to be delivered or sent by registered mail to the issuing authority within forty-eight hours after taking possession of the firearm.
In all cases where a rifle or shotgun is acquired from another person within the State, the person who is transferring title to the rifle or shotgun shall submit, within forty-eight hours after transferring the firearm, to the authority which issued the permit to acquire, the following information, in writing: name of the person who transferred the firearm, name of the person to whom the title to the firearm was transferred; names of the manufacturer and importer; model; type of action; caliber or gauge; and serial number as applicable.
Re BATFE (ATF)
https://www.atf.gov/content/firearms-frequently-asked-questions-unlicensed-persons (https://www.atf.gov/content/firearms-frequently-asked-questions-unlicensed-persons)
Q: To whom may an unlicensed person transfer firearms under the GCA?
A person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of his State, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may loan or rent a firearm to a resident of any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may sell or transfer a firearm to a licensee in any State. However, a firearm other than a curio or relic may not be transferred interstate to a licensed collector.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(d), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]
Q: From whom may an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA?
A person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own State, except that he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee’s premises in any State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser resides. A person may borrow or rent a firearm in any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(b)(3), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]
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This might be able off topic, but I believe the last time I was at HPD I saw a notice which "requires" the purchaser to have a copy of the seller's registration when applying for a handgun permit. Didn't think much of it at the time, but that does not sound like a value requirement for a private transaction.
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This might be able off topic, but I believe the last time I was at HPD I saw a notice which "requires" the purchaser to have a copy of the seller's registration when applying for a handgun permit. Didn't think much of it at the time, but that does not sound like a value requirement for a private transaction.
no you don't. You can have the info required written on a napkin. Maybe this changed? But nothing in the laws says anything different.
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no you don't. You can have the info required written on a napkin. Maybe this changed? But nothing in the laws says anything different.
I thought about taking a pic of the sign, then I realized that wouldn't make them happy. lol
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I really don't see a purpose for that requirement, but to inconvenience a buyer. All they have to do is punch in the SN into their computer and have the pertinent information in the screen infront of them. They ask where/whom you are buying from, so if the info don't jive, then they should investigate further.
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I used the firearms information form from the hpd website
http://www.honolulupd.org/information/index.php?page=gunmain (http://www.honolulupd.org/information/index.php?page=gunmain)
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I just got a call from HPD about a gun I'm transferring that is joint registered but forgot to put my wife's name on the bill of sale.
Everything is cool but they wanted to be sure the buyer knew it was joint registered, which I told the buyer upfront.
They suggested using a copy of the old registration and just redacted so personal info is blacked out and writing this gun was sold to......with the permit number of the buyer.
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I know you need a signature from the seller when you already have the permit. Do you guys know if I am required to have the sellers signature when I apply for a permit?
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I know you need a signature from the seller when you already have the permit. Do you guys know if I am required to have the sellers signature when I apply for a permit?
Required, no. But having a signed bill of sale with all the correct information you need for your application, AND the "G" number from the seller's registration form, are good ideas. HPD will ask the seller's name and address for the permit. You need at least that much info.
You don't want any mistakes on the permit to acquire. Any substantial mistakes, and they might make you reapply.
A bill of sale also protects you somewhat. It shows you had an agreement to buy the gun pending payment and permit. It's happened before, where a seller gets a higher offer and tries to back out of the deal.
Long guns are easy, since one permit covers all.
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Thanks everyone for sharing the info.
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Has any of this info changed? Is there an updated form or a specific form I need to use?
If I'm selling one of my pistols to a relative, who is licensed for firearms, do they still have to wait the 2-week application process, and do the back and forth thing at HPD? or can I just go down with them, with the firearm and get it done in a single visit?
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Has any of this info changed? Is there an updated form or a specific form I need to use?
If I'm selling one of my pistols to a relative, who is licensed for firearms, do they still have to wait the 2-week application process, and do the back and forth thing at HPD? or can I just go down with them, with the firearm and get it done in a single visit?
they need to go down with the info themselves the first time, wait two weeks, then you can go with them so they can pick up the permit and register the gun at the same time on their second visit
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Thanks for this info. It's been years, but I've just sold a shotgun to another Hawaii resident and the information below is very helpful:
In all cases where a rifle or shotgun is acquired from another person within the State, the person who is transferring title to the rifle or shotgun shall submit, within forty-eight hours after transferring the firearm, to the authority which issued the permit to acquire, the following information, in writing: name of the person who transferred the firearm, name of the person to whom the title to the firearm was transferred; names of the manufacturer and importer; model; type of action; caliber or gauge; and serial number as applicable.
I have a question, should I meet with the buyer, who mentions he has a valid rifle/shotgun permit, at HPD headquarters to complete the transaction? Or, can it be done elsewhere while remaining legal?
From the HRS and BATFE
Re State of Hawaii:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0002.htm (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0002.htm)
(f) In all cases where a pistol or revolver is acquired from another person within the State, the permit shall be signed in ink by the person to whom title to the pistol or revolver is transferred and shall be delivered to the person who is transferring title to the firearm, who shall verify that the person to whom the firearm is to be transferred is the person named in the permit and enter on the permit in the space provided the following information: name of the person to whom the title to the firearm was transferred; names of the manufacturer and importer; model; type of action; caliber or gauge; and serial number as applicable. The person who is transferring title to the firearm shall sign the permit in ink and cause the permit to be delivered or sent by registered mail to the issuing authority within forty-eight hours after transferring the firearm.
In all cases where receipt of a firearm is had by mail, express, freight, or otherwise from sources without the State, the person to whom the permit has been issued shall make the prescribed entries on the permit, sign the permit in ink, and cause the permit to be delivered or sent by registered mail to the issuing authority within forty-eight hours after taking possession of the firearm.
In all cases where a rifle or shotgun is acquired from another person within the State, the person who is transferring title to the rifle or shotgun shall submit, within forty-eight hours after transferring the firearm, to the authority which issued the permit to acquire, the following information, in writing: name of the person who transferred the firearm, name of the person to whom the title to the firearm was transferred; names of the manufacturer and importer; model; type of action; caliber or gauge; and serial number as applicable.
Re BATFE (ATF)
https://www.atf.gov/content/firearms-frequently-asked-questions-unlicensed-persons (https://www.atf.gov/content/firearms-frequently-asked-questions-unlicensed-persons)
Q: To whom may an unlicensed person transfer firearms under the GCA?
A person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of his State, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may loan or rent a firearm to a resident of any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may sell or transfer a firearm to a licensee in any State. However, a firearm other than a curio or relic may not be transferred interstate to a licensed collector.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(d), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]
Q: From whom may an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA?
A person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own State, except that he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee’s premises in any State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser resides. A person may borrow or rent a firearm in any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(b)(3), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]
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Thanks for this info. It's been years, but I've just sold a shotgun to another Hawaii resident and the information below is very helpful:
In all cases where a rifle or shotgun is acquired from another person within the State, the person who is transferring title to the rifle or shotgun shall submit, within forty-eight hours after transferring the firearm, to the authority which issued the permit to acquire, the following information, in writing: name of the person who transferred the firearm, name of the person to whom the title to the firearm was transferred; names of the manufacturer and importer; model; type of action; caliber or gauge; and serial number as applicable.
I have a question, should I meet with the buyer, who mentions he has a valid rifle/shotgun permit, at HPD headquarters to complete the transaction? Or, can it be done elsewhere while remaining legal?
You don't have to meet at hpd, but I always do just to make sure everything is done correctly.
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Thank you for your quick reply and the helpful information. The buyer has agreed to meet me at HPD. :shaka:
You don't have to meet at hpd, but I always do just to make sure everything is done correctly.