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Title: SENATE FAILS TO ADVANCE BACKGROUND CHECK BILL
Post by: OldFaithful on April 17, 2013, 10:45:30 AM
Just saw it on cspan. The background check bill failed to receive enough votes! 54-46 One victory! Currently voting on another to increase resources to proeecute criminals, school safety and mental health.  7 amendments after
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Post by: Bunker on April 17, 2013, 10:51:20 AM
 :thumbsup:
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Post by: OldFaithful on April 17, 2013, 10:53:17 AM
Oops meant to say 54-46 lol.  100 senators
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Post by: OldFaithful on April 17, 2013, 11:08:22 AM
Leahy amendment 58-42 something to do with straw purchases
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Post by: OldFaithful on April 17, 2013, 11:10:13 AM
They are voting the one to allow cc permits to be valid in all states
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Post by: OldFaithful on April 17, 2013, 11:21:59 AM
Cc bill 57-43
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Post by: OldFaithful on April 17, 2013, 11:23:56 AM
They will now vote on the awb amendment
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Post by: bass monkey on April 17, 2013, 11:24:25 AM
is that reciprocity ccw?

How are you following these bills?  Is it live on Tv or something.  Throw me a link bro.   :shaka:
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Post by: OldFaithful on April 17, 2013, 11:25:05 AM
Btw if anyone was wondering a bill needs 60 votes or more to pass
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Post by: OldFaithful on April 17, 2013, 11:26:25 AM
is that reciprocity ccw?

How are you following these bills?  Is it live on Tv or something.  Throw me a link bro.   :shaka:

Yeah it was. Im on cspan channel 47, but im sure its streamed online if your not home
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Post by: bass monkey on April 17, 2013, 11:28:06 AM
Hey neat. Its channel 47

Background check got defeated
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Post by: OldFaithful on April 17, 2013, 11:32:36 AM
If you wanna watch it online here's the link!

http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/ (http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/)
Title: Re: SENATE FAILS TO ADVANCE BACKGROUND CHECK BILL
Post by: Bunker on April 17, 2013, 11:35:20 AM
Of course our anti-gun senator's voted in support of this.
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Post by: bass monkey on April 17, 2013, 11:36:44 AM
its confusing watching this.
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Post by: bass monkey on April 17, 2013, 11:38:12 AM
Of course our anti-gun senator's voted in support of this.

Of course, so when they come back to hawaii, they can include in their re election speech that they voted for sensible gun control and then try to get reelected again because they are "for the people"
Title: Re: SENATE FAILS TO ADVANCE BACKGROUND CHECK BILL
Post by: BUD on April 17, 2013, 11:39:31 AM
Of course our anti-gun senator's voted in support of this.

Remember that come election time.  Hirono knows where I stand  :shaka: Am going to let Schatz know shortly as well. Keep writing even if all the bills are defeated. 
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Post by: bass monkey on April 17, 2013, 11:40:22 AM
THE AWB BILL FAILED!!!!!
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Post by: Bunker on April 17, 2013, 11:40:41 AM
Obama is on C-SPAN 3.
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Post by: OldFaithful on April 17, 2013, 11:40:46 AM
40-60!!! AWB IS DEAD!!!!    :geekdanc:  :shaka:
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Post by: Bunker on April 17, 2013, 11:41:04 AM
THE AWB BILL FAILED!!!!!
Great!!
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Post by: OldFaithful on April 17, 2013, 11:43:23 AM
Obama is on C-SPAN 3.

Lol his 90% bs lies again.  And he blames everything on the republicans again.
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Post by: PeaShooter on April 17, 2013, 11:43:39 AM
Cc bill 57-43

For or against?
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Post by: OldFaithful on April 17, 2013, 11:45:29 AM
For or against?

Yay (57)  Nay (43)  To allow cc permits valid everywhere.  Needed 60 for it to pass
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Post by: Bunker on April 17, 2013, 11:46:12 AM
Lol his 90% bs lies again.  And he blames everything on the republicans again.
He's not a happy camper...looks pretty upset. Hope that sorry f&^k doesn't pull some exord shit because he's so pissed.
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Post by: OldFaithful on April 17, 2013, 11:46:45 AM
Now voting on if a court needs to decide if a veteran who is deemed mentally incompetent should be allowed to own guns.
Title: Re: SENATE FAILS TO ADVANCE BACKGROUND CHECK BILL
Post by: OldFaithful on April 17, 2013, 11:49:11 AM
It's time the president realizes that Americans will always fight for their rights.  We'll be here everyday ready to fight. 
Title: Re: SENATE FAILS TO ADVANCE BACKGROUND CHECK BILL
Post by: OldFaithful on April 17, 2013, 12:01:40 PM
Now voting on if a court needs to decide if a veteran who is deemed mentally incompetent should be allowed to own guns.

56 (yay) 44 (nay)
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Post by: bass monkey on April 17, 2013, 12:03:50 PM
When i left home they were talking about the ncis checks. Did they vote on it yet?
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Post by: OldFaithful on April 17, 2013, 12:05:38 PM
Next vote starting:  Bans the sale of "high capacity magazines"
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Post by: OldFaithful on April 17, 2013, 12:07:10 PM
When i left home they were talking about the ncis checks. Did they vote on it yet?

The background check bill?  Every gun bill today so far is dead
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Post by: tonsofguns on April 17, 2013, 12:10:45 PM
Any update on this yet?
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Post by: bass monkey on April 17, 2013, 12:11:29 PM
Oh must have been the background check bill
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Post by: OldFaithful on April 17, 2013, 12:17:32 PM
Any update on this yet?

voting on magazine ban, will post results after
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Post by: ren on April 17, 2013, 12:24:12 PM
You know why it failed?
All of us LIED.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/17/politics/senate-guns-vote/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/17/politics/senate-guns-vote/index.html)
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Post by: OldFaithful on April 17, 2013, 12:25:12 PM
Bills need at least 60 yays (yes) to pass  (yay-nay)

background check                         54-46
Leahy amendment                        58-42
CC reciprocity                                 57-43
AWB                                                  40-60
mentally incompetent veterans   56-44
Magazine ban                                 46-54

Every bill voted on did not pass.   :geekdanc:
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Post by: Bunker on April 17, 2013, 12:27:25 PM
Outstanding!! :thumbsup:
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Post by: roadster99 on April 17, 2013, 12:37:29 PM
Great news!
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Post by: macsak on April 17, 2013, 12:44:26 PM
yeah
as i understand it, these are votes on amendments to the original bill
the original bill still has to be voted on, but it will very likely to be defeated
so even if the cc reciprosity amendment passed, the main bill would've failed anyways

Great news!
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Post by: djsmiles808 on April 17, 2013, 12:54:39 PM
Outfuckingstanding! Good job fellow peeps :thumbsup:
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Post by: Bunker on April 17, 2013, 12:59:07 PM
yeah
as i understand it, these are votes on amendments to the original bill
the original bill still has to be voted on, but it will very likely to be defeated
so even if the cc reciprosity amendment passed, the main bill would've failed anyways
I heard Reid say he intends to shelve the original bill for now.
Title: Re: SENATE FAILS TO ADVANCE BACKGROUND CHECK BILL
Post by: xer 21 on April 17, 2013, 12:59:24 PM
Reciprocity needs its own vote.  Oh well.  Hopefully the vote allows us to steal some seats.  Then, next year, those 57 votes might just be 60!
Title: Re: SENATE FAILS TO ADVANCE BACKGROUND CHECK BILL
Post by: bass monkey on April 17, 2013, 01:05:39 PM
I heard Reid say he intends to shelve the original bill for now.


That's good news too. If the amendments didn't pass, his bill would probably die too.  Hurry, pull it out before it has a chance to die.


I wonder how long before the "we tried to get sensible gun laws passed" but "they" resisted line starts getting thrown around. Someone needs to be held accountable for these not passing.

Or I wonder if obama will over ride everyone and make an order to pass laws.
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Post by: xer 21 on April 17, 2013, 01:08:17 PM

That's good news too. If the amendments didn't pass, his bill would probably die too.  Hurry, pull it out before it has a chance to die.


I wonder how long before the "we tried to get sensible gun laws passed" but "they" resisted line starts getting thrown around. Someone needs to be held accountable for these not passing.

Or I wonder if obama will over ride everyone and make an order to pass laws.

I wonder if people will stop believing that Obama can override congress on anything he feels like.
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Post by: Dolomite on April 17, 2013, 01:08:57 PM
the accountability is to not vote for them ever again....
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Post by: cdomingo117 on April 17, 2013, 01:10:28 PM
 :shaka: :shaka:
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Post by: Bunker on April 17, 2013, 01:11:52 PM
Or I wonder if obama will over ride everyone and make an order to pass laws.
That's what I'm concerned about after watching how pissed he was in his press conference and the words he used, that he may try to pull some exord shit and let it be challenged. I hope not but who ever knows what his sorry ass may attempt to get away with.
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Post by: moosed on April 17, 2013, 01:31:39 PM
And now, a brief message from the Divider and Blamer in Chief, President Obummer:

http://www.therightscoop.com/full-speechhissy-fit-obamas-speech-reacting-to-the-senate-voting-down-background-checks/ (http://www.therightscoop.com/full-speechhissy-fit-obamas-speech-reacting-to-the-senate-voting-down-background-checks/)


Like all dictators Obama gets damned angry when those he wants to rule fail to genuflect appropriately!!  Round One goes to the People, the Constitution, and the NRA
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Post by: Heavies on April 17, 2013, 02:43:21 PM
I am flabbergasted that they claim 90% of Americans support this.  WTF?  They have no shame whatsoever lying through their teeth.   When is this nightmare going to be over? 
Title: Re: SENATE FAILS TO ADVANCE BACKGROUND CHECK BILL
Post by: kevlar on April 17, 2013, 04:01:04 PM
Celebrate this victory my fellow 2Aers. But remain vigilant.
Title: Obama at it again!
Post by: SpeedTek on April 19, 2013, 02:30:27 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-taking-action-gun-background-check-system-100127550--politics.html (http://news.yahoo.com/obama-taking-action-gun-background-check-system-100127550--politics.html)
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Post by: clshade on April 19, 2013, 10:20:51 AM
I wonder if people will stop believing that Obama can override congress on anything he feels like.

This.

For every right wing talking point I hear about how the man is a Socialist Dictator who stops at nothing to force his Evil Agenda on the good American People....

I hear a left wing talking point about how the man is  just another Big Business pocket job who hasn't delivered on a single campaign promise and has nowhere near enough political juju to get anything through congress.

The poor guy is having a tough time living up to everyone's expectations of him.

What both sides agree on (should they get their heads out of their arses long enough to notice) is that no one feels adequately (or even barely) represented on The Hill. We are all concerned that money is running the show more than the will of the people - we just disagree on how and why and spend a great deal of time and energy blaming each other.

This is a text book example of divide and conquer.
Title: Re: Obama at it again!
Post by: clshade on April 19, 2013, 10:31:57 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-taking-action-gun-background-check-system-100127550--politics.html (http://news.yahoo.com/obama-taking-action-gun-background-check-system-100127550--politics.html)

Wait, is this a bad thing?

Even the NRA supports fully implementing existing laws. That's what the president is talking about doing. You do realize the man is just doing what the Right was suggesting be done in the first place?
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Post by: robtmc on April 19, 2013, 11:45:08 AM
I wonder if people will stop believing that Obama can override congress on anything he feels like.

Maybe when the post turtle stops talking about getting things done without congress and the constitution preventing him from doing things.

Those sort of comments do give one pause to wonder just what it is he would like to do if unfettered by those silly old laws.
Title: Re: SENATE FAILS TO ADVANCE BACKGROUND CHECK BILL
Post by: Bunker on April 22, 2013, 01:11:53 PM
Here's the latest from Carney on the matter. Says that was round one and there will be a round two, whatever that ends up being. He either doesn't know yet or won't say what their legislative strategy is for round two.

http://www.politico.com//multimedia/video/2013/04/carney-defends-obama-on-gun-push.html (http://www.politico.com//multimedia/video/2013/04/carney-defends-obama-on-gun-push.html)