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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: Mr. Farknocker on May 02, 2013, 04:55:12 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/02/poll-shows-2-percent-voters-think-armed-revolution-might-be-needed/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/02/poll-shows-2-percent-voters-think-armed-revolution-might-be-needed/)
The only reason I can see why people might feel this way is because they believe their government has abused its powers, refused to listen to the people, taken what is rightfully theirs and has continuously worked toward eliminating their means of resistance. But then again, I could be wrong. :D
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Throw out the politicians by voting them off instead. The only way an armed revolution would work is if the military was onboard. But unfortunately, the military is being gutted and corrupted from within by the current politicians in charge.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/02/poll-shows-2-percent-voters-think-armed-revolution-might-be-needed/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/02/poll-shows-2-percent-voters-think-armed-revolution-might-be-needed/)
The only reason I can see why people might feel this way is because they believe their government has abused its powers, refused to listen to the people, taken what is rightfully theirs and has continuously worked toward eliminating their means of resistance. But then again, I could be wrong. :D
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People are tired of it, IMHO. If you look now they are trying super hard to regulate the internet here like they do in other dictatorship countries. They'll say its because of internet bullying, unfair tax practice, cyber terror, or some other bullshit.
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Fear! Tyranny! Immanent Doom!
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Puh-leeze. I don't trust the government at all and I don't think we're anywhere near armed revolution territory. What we have is a bunch of fear mongers on both sides of the isle that are crying loudly how horrible things are, we're circling the drain, headed down the tube any moment now... and that a vote for them is a vote for Salvation! :thumbsup:
If this was a tyrannical government it wouldn't be hemming and hawing over the AWB or even over confiscation provisions. If this government wanted our guns gone they'd be pushing for making our guns ~gone~ not just background checks.
How ridiculous. Anyone who thinks this country is so far gone that we need to start killin' probably hasn't traveled in the 3rd world and seen what it looks like when things really ~are~ bad.
What we have is a paranoid, fearful and naively idealistic population that mistakes not getting ~exactly~ what it wants for "our way of life is being threatened." Agreeing and disagreeing have long since taken a back seat to winning.
People think things are getting bad? That's only because the have ~no idea~ how bad it can get and think a slight discomfort, an idealistic disagreement, is enough to warrant outrage.
I don't trust the American Government but I have decent handle on why it does the goofy stuff it does so I'm not particularly afraid of it. The American People, on the other hand, are terrifying in their collective ignorance and lazy willingness to be misled instead of actually DOING the hard work of democracy.
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The American people have become too complacent, lazy, whiny, and spoiled. All these whiners need to go to another country on the globe, most any other country, and see how people there must live. Maybe then they could get a better perspective and see how good they have it here in the US. Many places around the world people must risk life and limb to cast their votes, and here people whine about voting, or don't even vote at all!
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Fear! Tyranny! Immanent Doom!
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Puh-leeze. I don't trust the government at all and I don't think we're anywhere near armed revolution territory. What we have is a bunch of fear mongers on both sides of the isle that are crying loudly how horrible things are, we're circling the drain, headed down the tube any moment now... and that a vote for them is a vote for Salvation! :thumbsup:
If this was a tyrannical government it wouldn't be hemming and hawing over the AWB or even over confiscation provisions. If this government wanted our guns gone they'd be pushing for making our guns ~gone~ not just background checks.
How ridiculous. Anyone who thinks this country is so far gone that we need to start killin' probably hasn't traveled in the 3rd world and seen what it looks like when things really ~are~ bad.
What we have is a paranoid, fearful and naively idealistic population that mistakes not getting ~exactly~ what it wants for "our way of life is being threatened." Agreeing and disagreeing have long since taken a back seat to winning.
People think things are getting bad? That's only because the have ~no idea~ how bad it can get and think a slight discomfort, an idealistic disagreement, is enough to warrant outrage.
I don't trust the American Government but I have decent handle on why it does the goofy stuff it does so I'm not particularly afraid of it. The American People, on the other hand, are terrifying in their collective ignorance and lazy willingness to be misled instead of actually DOING the hard work of democracy.
I think incrementalism is alive and well. You can't just come in and burn the Constitution over night. It has to dismantled slowly, but surely. Give a little here. Give a little there. Before you know it, you've given your liberty away for the sake of the collective. I think there are many people today worried about that more than some dictator being elected over night. Look at Bloomberg and how he's slowly taking away people's ability to choose, basing his agenda on the premise that people are unable to make good decisions for themselves in regard to health and personal safety. His stop and frisk policy is extremely racist, as the majority of those being stopped and frisked are rarely ever white. With the National Guard roaming Boston during the Boston Bombing incident, other governors are making public statements that using the National Guard is a very viable option to battling the increased crime rate in certain cities. In states with open carry laws, people are being stopped on the streets, arrested and having their firearms confiscated for exercising their right to carry. Veterans are finding it more and more difficult to own firearms. Parents are having their children confiscated by CPS because they wanted a 2nd opinion and refused medical services at a hospital. Parents are losing their rights to homeschool their own children. All the while we watch our own government hand cash over to countries known to be terrorist breeding grounds. Nothing happens overnight. It's a slow, systemic process that slowly peels away our rights as individuals, like you peel layers off of an onion. People are fed up because they recognize that it's happening.
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I think incrementalism is alive and well. You can't just come in and burn the Constitution over night. It has to dismantled slowly, but surely. Give a little here. Give a little there. Before you know it, you've given your liberty away for the sake of the collective. I think there are many people today worried about that more than some dictator being elected over night. Look at Bloomberg and how he's slowly taking away people's ability to choose, basing his agenda on the premise that people are unable to make good decisions for themselves in regard to health and personal safety. His stop and frisk policy is extremely racist, as the majority of those being stopped and frisked are rarely ever white. With the National Guard roaming Boston during the Boston Bombing incident, other governors are making public statements that using the National Guard is a very viable option to battling the increased crime rate in certain cities. In states with open carry laws, people are being stopped on the streets, arrested and having their firearms confiscated for exercising their right to carry. Veterans are finding it more and more difficult to own firearms. Parents are having their children confiscated by CPS because they wanted a 2nd opinion and refused medical services at a hospital. Parents are losing their rights to homeschool their own children. All the while we watch our own government hand cash over to countries known to be terrorist breeding grounds. Nothing happens overnight. It's a slow, systemic process that slowly peels away our rights as individuals, like you peel layers off of an onion. People are fed up because they recognize that it's happening.
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The Socialist/Communist/Liberal/Progressive/anti-Conservative/ <fill in the blank> crowd has learned to "boil the frog" when it comes to getting their agenda passed into law. The slippery slope argument they always cling to is meant to belittle your assertion that allowing this one little change opens the door to other, bigger things. Well, let's look at one little example: abortion rights. It's gone from a woman's right to privacy to now being a right that the tax payers must support. The left takes baby steps, strategically trying to win the fundamental arguments then building upon them until their entire agenda is in place.
When you are patient and unwilling to concede a victory to the other side, it's only a matter of timing and favorable circumstances until the left succeeds.
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I think incrementalism is alive and well. You can't just come in and burn the Constitution over night. It has to dismantled slowly, but surely. Give a little here. Give a little there. Before you know it, you've given your liberty away for the sake of the collective. I think there are many people today worried about that more than some dictator being elected over night. Look at Bloomberg and how he's slowly taking away people's ability to choose, basing his agenda on the premise that people are unable to make good decisions for themselves in regard to health and personal safety. His stop and frisk policy is extremely racist, as the majority of those being stopped and frisked are rarely ever white. With the National Guard roaming Boston during the Boston Bombing incident, other governors are making public statements that using the National Guard is a very viable option to battling the increased crime rate in certain cities. In states with open carry laws, people are being stopped on the streets, arrested and having their firearms confiscated for exercising their right to carry. Veterans are finding it more and more difficult to own firearms. Parents are having their children confiscated by CPS because they wanted a 2nd opinion and refused medical services at a hospital. Parents are losing their rights to homeschool their own children. All the while we watch our own government hand cash over to countries known to be terrorist breeding grounds. Nothing happens overnight. It's a slow, systemic process that slowly peels away our rights as individuals, like you peel layers off of an onion. People are fed up because they recognize that it's happening.
Thanks for putting my thoughts into words. Couldn't have said it better. :thumbsup:
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For those who think our military will stop it or won't back it... think again.
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What clshade says is probably true. The missed point is.....This aint some fricken foreign country. This is MY country. Blessed by God Himself. And the train is coming. I wanna be free. Without having to answer to some Govt. person WHY I need this or that. Anybody else ???
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A must read... "Last Call" by Daniel Okrent.
Shows how a vocal minority got Prohibition shoved down America's throat. A long process.
Incrementalism at it's best.
We are headed this way again.
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Incrementalism?
Of course its alive and well. And ~everyone~ uses it, not just the liberals.
So who should we go shoot? Who are we going to overthrow and what are we going to put in their place?
Saying "I wanna be free!" and doing it in a way that you actually will be free are 2 ~hugely~ different things. If you are in the camp that thinks armed revolution is coming then studying previous revolutions (and not just ours) is a really good idea. Most of them do NOT end well for the people.
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Just to illustrate the point...
Ghandi lead one of the most effective and largely bloodless revolutions in history. India won its freedom from the tyranny of England.
It was followed by a bloodbath of epic proportions as neighbor killed neighbor (and neighbors children) over ideological differences.
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Our battle is in the voting booth, our homes, schools and churches. Armed revolution is the LAST thing we should do. If at all. The majority of people voted these yahoos in. Get involved like we are now. That has the best results.
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Incrementalism?
Of course its alive and well. And ~everyone~ uses it, not just the liberals.
So who should we go shoot? Who are we going to overthrow and what are we going to put in their place?
Saying "I wanna be free!" and doing it in a way that you actually will be free are 2 ~hugely~ different things. If you are in the camp that thinks armed revolution is coming then studying previous revolutions (and not just ours) is a really good idea. Most of them do NOT end well for the people.
There was a book about fictional events in the United States and how a few people were using incrementalism to push their agenda. I thought it was a pretty good book. Look up The Overton Window by Glenn Beck (yeah, I know not everyone likes Glenn Beck, but I thought it was a decent fictional work).
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Throw out the politicians by voting them off instead. The only way an armed revolution would work is if the military was onboard. But unfortunately, the military is being gutted and corrupted from within by the current politicians in charge.
Very true! We just need to invent SKYNET!
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Go to San Juan, Puerto Rico. The National Guard rolls with the Police there. I flew over from St. Thomas USVI for some Cervezas and Booty and I'm walking out of a bar and there was National Guard in fatigues and M-16s shouldered on the corners in Isla Verde which is the tourist zone. I saw them rolling in the cop cars too. Theirs is more drug related but still kinda like wtf is it that bad and they actually had them out there. Couldn't imagine them in the actual US like that.
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Apparently, he called it off. And suggested a march on all 50 state capitols to demand the states dissolve the federal govt.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/05/29/adam-kokesh-calls-off-armed-march-on-dc-in-favo/194259 (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/05/29/adam-kokesh-calls-off-armed-march-on-dc-in-favo/194259)
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Throw out the politicians by voting them off instead. ....
Colorado Gun Owners Fight Back… Deliver Twice as Many Signatures as Needed to Recall Senator
http://dcclothesline.com/2013/06/05/colorado-gun-owners-fight-back-deliver-twice-as-many-signatures-as-needed-to-recall-senator/ (http://dcclothesline.com/2013/06/05/colorado-gun-owners-fight-back-deliver-twice-as-many-signatures-as-needed-to-recall-senator/)
Yesterday 16,000 signatures were delivered to recall Colorado State Senator John Morse. Morse has been a huge backer of the sweeping and numerous gun control bills that were passed in Colorado earlier in the year and signed into law by Governor John Hickenlooper. Below is just a reminder of Mr. Morse’s thinking, or lack of thinking, as he spoke about massive gun control laws as though they would “stop bullets piercing children’s bodies.”
According to opponents of the Democrat Senate President, they turned in twice as many signatures as needed on Monday.
Bill Adaska, a retired engineer from Denver who volunteered to gather the signatures for Morse’s signature in his district, said “This shot will be heard around the world. This is the race, right here, that’s going to show Washington and Chicago that when you come after our guns, we’re going to take you out.”
The Washington Post reports on Morse and his response to the recall:
Morse backed the gun control measures, and sponsored an even stricter measure to gun owners liable in some cases for damage caused by their weapons. Morse scuttled that liability measure when it appeared it didn’t have enough support to clear the Senate.
A defiant Morse responded Monday to the recall petition by insisting he won’t resign and that national gun groups have targeted him in an effort to scare politicians nationwide away from addressing gun control.
“This turns into a national race,” Morse predicted.
Even if he loses his seat, Morse said, the gun measures were too important not to adopt after a bloody 2012. He insisted that he’s never aspired to another office and wouldn’t mind losing his political career over the gun bills.
“Keeping Coloradans safe from gun violence is very worth your political career,” Morse told reporters.
Perhaps Morse should be concerned with protecting Coloradans from politicians who don’t uphold their oath and are tyrannical while at the same time respond emotionally to an issue rather than intellectually.
The National Rifle Association (NRA) sent out political mailers in support of Morse’s recall, but the effort was a result of grassroots efforts, not the NRA.
Rob Harris, organizer of the recall effort, said “I ran this campaign. The NRA did not run this campaign. We the people are making a stand against the people who refused to represent their constituents.”
No state lawmaker has ever faced a recall vote in Colorado history. Accordingly, voters would determine whether he should be recalled and who would replace him.
Any proposed candidate to take Morse’s place would only need 1,000 signatures.
There are more efforts to oust Democrat lawmakers. Senator Angela Giron of Pueblo has signatures for her recall due next week.
Two other Democrat lawmakers who were targeted for recall appear to be safe as the efforts to recall them seem to not have enough support to bring their recall to a vote.
The next step in the Morse case is that the Colorado Secretary of State has 15 business days to verify the signatures. Morse could challenge the signatures before a recall election is set. The latest date that for a recall vote of Morse would be early October.
Way to go Colorado! If lawmakers aren’t obeying the law, start kicking them out. That, my friends is a means to a peaceful revolution.