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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Bunker on May 19, 2013, 11:17:05 PM

Title: California Gun Cartridge ID law to take effect
Post by: Bunker on May 19, 2013, 11:17:05 PM
 :wtf: Just when you think California couldn't get any worst...micro-stamping, which engraves the gun's serial number on each cartridge. The anti-gunners are going to love this if the thing actually works.

http://www.sfgate.com/default/article/Gun-control-Cartridge-ID-law-to-take-effect-4527165.php (http://www.sfgate.com/default/article/Gun-control-Cartridge-ID-law-to-take-effect-4527165.php)
Title: Re: California Gun Cartridge ID law to take effect
Post by: fstbckgt on May 19, 2013, 11:20:16 PM
Policing your brass will soon take on a new meaning in California.
Title: Re: California Gun Cartridge ID law to take effect
Post by: OldFaithful on May 19, 2013, 11:21:06 PM
Commiefornia  :wacko:
Title: Re: California Gun Cartridge ID law to take effect
Post by: sliver on May 20, 2013, 12:09:18 AM
you can just buy a new firing pin.  idk what the big deal is.
Title: Re: California Gun Cartridge ID law to take effect
Post by: Aegis808 on May 20, 2013, 04:24:13 AM
you can just buy a new firing pin.  idk what the big deal is.

a few light passes with a fine file will also achieve the same results with no mechanical issues
Title: Re: California Gun Cartridge ID law to take effect
Post by: Bunker on May 20, 2013, 06:54:51 AM
I would imagine it would be illegal to alter a firearm that is micro-stamped, so all the creative work-arounds would make it illegal. Just like most of these ridiculous laws, it doesn't affect criminals but only law abiding citizens. Criminals would likely either have a work around (altered firearm) or are to stupid to care, or they stole it from a law abiding gun owner in the first place, in which case tracing it to the lawful owner is meaningless because he reported it stolen.
Title: Re: California Gun Cartridge ID law to take effect
Post by: moosed on May 20, 2013, 08:25:46 AM
The most obvious issue with micro-stamping is, what if someone is planning to do harm or just wants to frame someone for a crime?

He simply goes to the range and collects some of your spent cases (or obtains spent cases some other way).  Then, he places those cases at the scene of a gun-related crime.  That puts the heat on the innocent gun-owner, possibly with enough weight to convict.  Now the crook is free and clear, thanks to the state and their short-sighted gun-control laws!   

:wtf:
Title: Re: California Gun Cartridge ID law to take effect
Post by: SpeedTek on May 20, 2013, 08:49:53 AM
I think this is a great idea if we could get the criminals to register/microstamp all thier weapons!
Title: Re: California Gun Cartridge ID law to take effect
Post by: BUD on May 20, 2013, 09:56:11 AM
The most obvious issue with micro-stamping is, what if someone is planning to do harm or just wants to frame someone for a crime?

He simply goes to the range and collects some of your spent cases (or obtains spent cases some other way).  Then, he places those cases at the scene of a gun-related crime.  That puts the heat on the innocent gun-owner, possibly with enough weight to convict.  Now the crook is free and clear, thanks to the state and their short-sighted gun-control laws!   

:wtf:

I would bet they are not even planning on using this feature to solve any crimes.  I think they are doing it just to make it more costly, difficult, and complicated to own firearms. 
Title: Re: California Gun Cartridge ID law to take effect
Post by: dirsh on May 20, 2013, 11:22:27 AM
I would bet they are not even planning on using this feature to solve any crimes.  I think they are doing it just to make it more costly, difficult, and complicated to own firearms.

true
Title: Re: California Gun Cartridge ID law to take effect
Post by: moosed on May 20, 2013, 11:26:14 AM
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Firearm microstamping, ballistic imprinting and ballistic engraving are all names given to a controversial[1] technology that has been developed with the goal of aiding in ballistics identification; it involves the use of laser technology to engrave a microscopic marking onto the tip of the firing pin and onto the breech face of a firearm. When the firearm is fired, these etchings are transferred to the primer by the firing pin and to the cartridge case by the breech face, using the pressure created when a round is fired. After the spent cartridges are ejected, these microscopic markings are imprinted on the cartridges, which can then be recovered by police and examined by forensic ballistics experts to obtain information to be used to trace the firearm through its life to the registered owner.[2] This technology was to be required in California starting in 2010, however, it is on hold and law enforcement is specifically exempt.[3] On May 17, 2013 California Attorney Kamala Harris announced that micro-stamping had cleared all technological and patenting hurdles and would be required on newly sold semiautomatics, effective immediately.

That would be helpful if all criminals registered their guns and were stupid enough to use that registered, microstamping gun in a crime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_microstamping (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_microstamping)
Title: Re: California Gun Cartridge ID law to take effect
Post by: moosed on May 20, 2013, 12:03:31 PM
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"This is not going to help solve crimes," C.D. Miche said. "It's easily defeated, easily wears out and can be used to lead police down false alleys" if the serial numbers are altered.

http://www.montereyherald.com/news/ci_23276318/california-enforce-micro-stamping-gun-law (http://www.montereyherald.com/news/ci_23276318/california-enforce-micro-stamping-gun-law)
Title: Re: California Gun Cartridge ID law to take effect
Post by: Aiea78 on May 20, 2013, 02:50:30 PM
SMH.

What they really want is total control over you.  What you eat, what you drink, your money, whether you live or die.


Title: Re: California Gun Cartridge ID law to take effect
Post by: zippz on May 20, 2013, 07:27:34 PM
He simply goes to the range and collects some of your spent cases (or obtains spent cases some other way).  Then, he places those cases at the scene of a gun-related crime.  That puts the heat on the innocent gun-owner, possibly with enough weight to convict.  Now the crook is free and clear, thanks to the state and their short-sighted gun-control laws!   

:wtf:

This don't make a difference, criminal is free and clear anyways.  There's no way to trace the gun to the criminal since it's either stolen, grandfathered, or bought out of state.
Title: Re: California Gun Cartridge ID law to take effect
Post by: zippz on May 20, 2013, 07:29:27 PM
So what happens if your firing pin breaks and you need to buy a new one?
Title: Re: California Gun Cartridge ID law to take effect
Post by: GZire on May 21, 2013, 07:20:25 AM
So what happens if your firing pin breaks and you need to buy a new one?


Stand in line to register it?.............assuming you can get in the door before 03:30PM............ :wacko:
Title: Re: California Gun Cartridge ID law to take effect
Post by: dirtylickins on May 21, 2013, 09:49:33 AM
The focus of firearm control is totally in the wrong direction. Smdh :shake:
Title: Re: California Gun Cartridge ID law to take effect
Post by: kevlar on May 21, 2013, 03:24:13 PM
I've read the California law now requires all magazines inserted into rifles need to be removed via a tool mechanism. This would comply with the law that detachable magazines from now on would be banned.

California is turning into a microcosm communist police state.