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Title: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: new guy on July 08, 2013, 10:38:30 AM
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Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: moosed on July 08, 2013, 10:42:39 AM
Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle

Jul 08, 2013 (The Honolulu Star-Advertiser - McClatchy-Tribune Information Services via COMTEX) --

An illegal immigrant from Canada living on Hawaii island has been accused of unlawful possession of a rifle after he allegedly sold an AR-15 to an undercover police officer.

Douglas James Leopold, a former real estate agent, was arrested and charged Tuesday. If convicted of the felony, he faces up to 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?action=login&f=y&id=214572611 (http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?action=login&f=y&id=214572611)
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: 2aHawaii on July 08, 2013, 10:45:22 AM
Sorry moosed, can't reprint articles. You can summarize though, if you'd like.
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: moosed on July 08, 2013, 10:57:06 AM
Sorry moosed, can't reprint articles. You can summarize though, if you'd like.

Didn't know that was a problem.  Apologies ...   :shaka:

http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2013/07/08/7258873.htm (http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2013/07/08/7258873.htm)
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: Kingkeoni on July 08, 2013, 10:58:10 AM
Meh, he's a Canadian.

Good for him.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: BLKDRGN on July 08, 2013, 11:10:55 AM
Douglas James Leopold accused of unlawfull possession of a rifle after he sold an AR-15 to an undercover officer
Faces up to 10yrs and a fine up to $250k
Leopold was president and owner of Sun & Sea Realty
Former employee tipped Homeland Security he was an illegal alien and also his real estate license was pulled
Leopold dropped off a flyer at a gun shop of the firearms he wanted to sell
The shop owner who is the wife of a police officer informed Homeland Security of the flyer
Weapons were registered under his girlfriend's name but the affidavit said Leopold was the de facto owner
He is an illegal alien because his visa expired in 2006
He has a criminal record in Canada for theft in 1982 and 1984 for escape conviction
He has a record in Hawaii for DUI in 2009 and harrassment in 2011
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: Funtimes on July 08, 2013, 11:37:47 AM
Too bad he was an illegal.
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: Hawaiitaco on July 08, 2013, 01:37:39 PM
Douglas James Leopold accused of unlawfull possession of a rifle after he sold an AR-15 to an undercover officer
Faces up to 10yrs and a fine up to $250k
Leopold was president and owner of Sun & Sea Realty
Former employee tipped Homeland Security he was an illegal alien and also his real estate license was pulled
Leopold dropped off a flyer at a gun shop of the firearms he wanted to sell
The shop owner who is the wife of a police officer informed Homeland Security of the flyer
Weapons were registered under his girlfriend's name but the affidavit said Leopold was the de facto owner
He is an illegal alien because his visa expired in 2006
He has a criminal record in Canada for theft in 1982 and 1984 for escape conviction
He has a record in Hawaii for DUI in 2009 and harrassment in 2011

Just dont understand if he had been arrested in 2009 and 2011.... HOW THE HELL DID THEY NOT CHECK HIS VISA!?!?! jeez
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: Paul96734 on July 08, 2013, 01:40:44 PM
Just dont understand how if he had been arrested in 2009 and 2011.... HOW THE HELL DID THEY NOT CHECK HIS VISA!?!?! jeez

Because 1. HPD notified ICE concerning his immigration status and then ICE did not pick him up, or 2. Honolulu has become a 'sanctuary city', which I do not know if they have become such as San Francisco, etc.
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: lasersgoPewPew77 on July 08, 2013, 01:55:32 PM
Sounds like he's aboot to get hosed, eh?
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: moosed on July 08, 2013, 02:07:49 PM
Just dont understand if he had been arrested in 2009 and 2011.... HOW THE HELL DID THEY NOT CHECK HIS VISA!?!?! jeez

Because Hawaii isn't Arizona!  Asking for proof you are in the country is un-Democrat-ic!!
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: lippy laroux on July 08, 2013, 05:38:38 PM
Now if we lived in the real world nobody would care... I certainly don't; as long as the guy isn't a terrorist or major criminal. .. If anything he should be commended for disposing of a weapon he wasn't allowed to have....
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: GZire on July 09, 2013, 08:01:18 AM
Because Hawaii isn't Arizona!  Asking for proof you are in the country is un-Democrat-ic!!

I respectfully disagree, I don't think this is a Democrat or Republican issue.  It's an issue about public workers not going the extra mile to do their jobs.
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: Garuda on July 09, 2013, 08:08:01 AM
.  It's an issue about public workers not going the extra mile to do their jobs.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: moosed on July 09, 2013, 08:45:05 AM
I respectfully disagree, I don't think this is a Democrat or Republican issue.  It's an issue about public workers not going the extra mile to do their jobs.

You might have a point if the Obama administration had not sued Arizona for going the extra mile ... simply because the Feds refuse to do the job they are supposed to be doing!
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: Hawaiitaco on July 09, 2013, 09:32:57 AM
I respectfully disagree, I don't think this is a Democrat or Republican issue.  It's an issue about public workers not going the extra mile to do their jobs.

extra mile?...i believe its just part of the job... my tax dollars hard at work  :grrr:

oh and im not saying we need homeland security checkpoints like those videos that have been popping up but if a person is in custody you would think a simple suspect ID would indicate he is illegal.... just saying
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: dirsh on July 09, 2013, 09:59:51 AM
it's the gun's fault
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: GZire on July 09, 2013, 10:11:54 AM
You might have a point if the Obama administration had not sued Arizona for going the extra mile ... simply because the Feds refuse to do the job they are supposed to be doing!


Man I've worked for the C&C of Honolulu, worked as a contractor for the State/Fed.  I'm telling you the culture they have does not foster an attitude of get it done.  When I was on a road crew we used to check in, get breakfast, nap, do some work, get lunch, nap, do a bit of work, go back to the office and debrief.  As an intern, that tells me what I needed to know about these guys.

In the private sector I generally work a minimum of 50 hours a week (aside from me posting here).  My guess is a comparable public worker puts in at max 30 hours a week.

The Navy guys we work with do a 9 hour day X 9 days and get the 10th off, so 81 hours over two weeks.  Work long enough (5 years?) and you get a RDO (regular day off) every two weeks.  So in a week span these guys are working 4 days.  Add in "training" and it's less than that.  If you ever wonder why stuff doesn't get done, you know when you have to work with these guys.
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: moosed on July 09, 2013, 11:01:29 AM

Man I've worked for the C&C of Honolulu, worked as a contractor for the State/Fed.  I'm telling you the culture they have does not foster an attitude of get it done.  When I was on a road crew we used to check in, get breakfast, nap, do some work, get lunch, nap, do a bit of work, go back to the office and debrief.  As an intern, that tells me what I needed to know about these guys.

In the private sector I generally work a minimum of 50 hours a week (aside from me posting here).  My guess is a comparable public worker puts in at max 30 hours a week.

The Navy guys we work with do a 9 hour day X 9 days and get the 10th off, so 81 hours over two weeks.  Work long enough (5 years?) and you get a RDO (regular day off) every two weeks.  So in a week span these guys are working 4 days.  Add in "training" and it's less than that.  If you ever wonder why stuff doesn't get done, you know when you have to work with these guys.

That broad brush you use to paint so many groups of people post after post must get awfully heavy!

I was in the AF for 8 1/2 years, and worked as a DoD contractor for 18 more.  I've worked with military, civilian gov't employees, and contractors.  I've supported AF, Navy, Coast Guard, and Joint organizations, including LE (FBI, NCIS, etc.).

As with any organization, there are some slackers.  But for the most part, I've never seen the types of people you describe.  The RDO schedules for Navy is a unique situation.  Those folks work 12 hour shifts 7 days a week when deployed.  Shore duty is supposed to be lighter, so they can catch up with family, education, and unwind a little before returning to sea duty.

Maybe the places you worked had poor management and lacked leadership.  That's usually where the problem starts.  As for my experience, I am proud of the achievements of the units I supported, and many of them were the result of long, sometimes around the clock, efforts.  I've worked countless nights, weekends, and holidays, all without compensation (salaried employee). 

State government might be more in line with your description, as the employees are probably raised with the laid back, "hang loose" Hawaii attitude.  I do see that at my current job.  But the military is comprised of more than locals.  The motivation and self-determination of each individual can't be smeared by your broad brush description. 

Stereotyping is not just bad.  It's also wrong.
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: fang23 on July 09, 2013, 11:53:44 AM
Another crime he allegedly committed:  Asking $1595 for a DPMS Sportical.

 According to the article, he was handing out the flier listing the guns and asking prices in March. Sure, that was in the middle of the big scare, but jeez. MSRP for a Sportical is $719.
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: moosed on July 09, 2013, 11:56:06 AM
Another crime he allegedly committed:  Asking $1595 for a DPMS Sportical.

 According to the article, he was handing out the flier listing the guns and asking prices in March. Sure, that was in the middle of the big scare, but jeez. MSRP for a Sportical is $719.

Maybe that's why the gun shop turned hm in ... he was cutting in on their (over priced) market!!
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: GZire on July 09, 2013, 01:42:17 PM
That broad brush you use to paint so many groups of people post after post must get awfully heavy!

I was in the AF for 8 1/2 years, and worked as a DoD contractor for 18 more.  I've worked with military, civilian gov't employees, and contractors.  I've supported AF, Navy, Coast Guard, and Joint organizations, including LE (FBI, NCIS, etc.).

As with any organization, there are some slackers.  But for the most part, I've never seen the types of people you describe.  The RDO schedules for Navy is a unique situation.  Those folks work 12 hour shifts 7 days a week when deployed.  Shore duty is supposed to be lighter, so they can catch up with family, education, and unwind a little before returning to sea duty.

Maybe the places you worked had poor management and lacked leadership.  That's usually where the problem starts.  As for my experience, I am proud of the achievements of the units I supported, and many of them were the result of long, sometimes around the clock, efforts.  I've worked countless nights, weekends, and holidays, all without compensation (salaried employee). 

State government might be more in line with your description, as the employees are probably raised with the laid back, "hang loose" Hawaii attitude.  I do see that at my current job.  But the military is comprised of more than locals.  The motivation and self-determination of each individual can't be smeared by your broad brush description. 

Stereotyping is not just bad.  It's also wrong.

Bro I am telling you, you need to see how C&C of Honolulu and State workers are.  Try and get a building permit then tell me what you think.

The RDO schedules the Navy works is not unique.  The FEAD works it, my friend who is not FEAD works it, others work it.  They do not, I repeat do not, work 12 hour shifts 7 days a week because these people do not get deployed.  Tell me why I am told someone needs 14 days to schedule a meeting to discuss issues on the critical path of a project.  Tell me why workers who want to come onto my jobsite all of a sudden don't when I tell them they have to sign in (btw I used to commonly see Shipyard guys camping out on the end of the piers I was on.....two guys all the way at the end of the pier in a golf cart, just sitting in it for a couple of hours.........or my co-worker's son who tells his dad his supervisor telling him "I don't care if you finish early, don't come back to the shop before ______)?

The places I worked have poor leadership..........you betcha, but in my experience that is common in the County, State and Fed, or at least in those places where there is little accountability.  My statements are based on my personal experiences and those of my co-workers & friends.  Heck my good friend told me how his mom's department in PWC used to promote the screw ups because they couldn't fire them.

Now the good...........I once had a visit from a Chief.  He asks me if he can have some of our 14" timber.  I said sure, how much and just come down and grab it.  Well the lengths were longer than what he needed so I tell him I'll lend him a saw.  He says no he's got a couple of f-ups he's going to send by.  Yup had his boys cutting that timber with a handsaw for a couple of hours.  After that he said let them have the chainsaw.  Also had a really good experience with some diving salvage guys, their Chief was on it. 


The summary...........I will say it again, IMHO it isn't about political affiliation it's about accountability in your work and that is not what government is about (maybe you, but you are a tiny tiny portion of the workforce when you fold in the people working for the Fed/State/County).  I will also say that if you dislike steretyping then perhaps you ought to figure at least one person in the entire Obama Admin must be doing something OK?  Otherwise characterizing the entire admin is not just bad, it's wrong.
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: moosed on July 09, 2013, 03:38:35 PM
The summary...........I will say it again, IMHO it isn't about political affiliation it's about accountability in your work and that is not what government is about (maybe you, but you are a tiny tiny portion of the workforce when you fold in the people working for the Fed/State/County).  I will also say that if you dislike steretyping then perhaps you ought to figure at least one person in the entire Obama Admin must be doing something OK?  Otherwise characterizing the entire admin is not just bad, it's wrong.

You haven't been watching the news lately!  It's a leadership problem in DC.  Our President has used 4 years to blame every problem on GW Bush.  That attitude and climate breeds lack of accountability.  Look at the failure of the USAG, Holder.  The Sec of State, Clinton.  The failures at the top and ducking the responsibilities are why I doubt anyone in the admin is interested in doing a great job.  Why should they?

When I speak of the administration, I speak of the leadership (and I use the term loosely).  The support staff are NOT the administration.  The decision makers are.  The administration is not a person or group.  It is the collection of actions, policies, and orders issued by the administration leadership.  Just as you and I are not the US Government, the support staff are not the administration.
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: Kingkeoni on July 09, 2013, 03:39:53 PM
Eh, he's Canadian.

Who cares  :sleeping:
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: moosed on July 09, 2013, 03:41:05 PM
Eh, he's Canadian.

Who cares  :sleeping:

He's an illegal alien/immigrant.  I know OBAMA cares ... that's another potential Democrat!
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: Kingkeoni on July 09, 2013, 03:41:45 PM
He's an illegal alien/immigrant.  I know OBAMA cares ... that's another potential Democrat!

Eh, he's Kenyan.

Who cares.
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: GZire on July 09, 2013, 05:01:15 PM
You haven't been watching the news lately!  It's a leadership problem in DC.  Our President has used 4 years to blame every problem on GW Bush.  That attitude and climate breeds lack of accountability.  Look at the failure of the USAG, Holder.  The Sec of State, Clinton.  The failures at the top and ducking the responsibilities are why I doubt anyone in the admin is interested in doing a great job.  Why should they?

When I speak of the administration, I speak of the leadership (and I use the term loosely).  The support staff are NOT the administration.  The decision makers are.  The administration is not a person or group.  It is the collection of actions, policies, and orders issued by the administration leadership.  Just as you and I are not the US Government, the support staff are not the administration.


Naw I don't think it's a new failure of leadership.  I'm not so sure it's a lack of leadership with Obama or it's a lack of accountability.  Obama is a smart guy although inexperienced in running things, but I have a feeling he knows exactly what's going on at the DOJ, foreign affairs, etc. it's just that he doesn't hold people accountable (which yes I guess is a lack of leadership)..............but that is really status quo in politics.  It is the same in Illinois with Rod B., with the guys in NY, Mayor B in DC doing coke and getting re-elected.  IMHO it's just politics as usual.

What frightens me is the blind loyalty to one person.

FYI I wouldn't consider myself a Republican or Democrat, I think my views sit in the middle.  What I believe in is less Govt intrusion which puts me in a middle line between Rep/Dem, but away from Govt. So technically I'm a Libertarian, so it explains my beliefs/answers more.

You might want to take a quiz like this to see how where you would fall:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/ (http://www.politicalcompass.org/)

http://www.politicalcompass.org/test (http://www.politicalcompass.org/test)

Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: GZire on July 09, 2013, 05:02:03 PM
Eh, he's Kenyan.

Who cares.


We need good long distance runners man.  We've never been strong there in those events.
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: macsak on July 09, 2013, 05:20:05 PM
once i told my brother i think i'm a libertarian
he says why
i said that i believe that the supreme law of the land is the constitution, that government should secure our borders and provide public education through high school and not much else

he says, "are you willing to waste your vote?"
meaning vote for a libertarian presidential candidate
i said no
he said, "then you're not a libertarian"


Naw I don't think it's a new failure of leadership.  I'm not so sure it's a lack of leadership with Obama or it's a lack of accountability.  Obama is a smart guy although inexperienced in running things, but I have a feeling he knows exactly what's going on at the DOJ, foreign affairs, etc. it's just that he doesn't hold people accountable (which yes I guess is a lack of leadership)..............but that is really status quo in politics.  It is the same in Illinois with Rod B., with the guys in NY, Mayor B in DC doing coke and getting re-elected.  IMHO it's just politics as usual.

What frightens me is the blind loyalty to one person.

FYI I wouldn't consider myself a Republican or Democrat, I think my views sit in the middle.  What I believe in is less Govt intrusion which puts me in a middle line between Rep/Dem, but away from Govt. So technically I'm a Libertarian, so it explains my beliefs/answers more.

You might want to take a quiz like this to see how where you would fall:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/ (http://www.politicalcompass.org/)

http://www.politicalcompass.org/test (http://www.politicalcompass.org/test)
Title: Re: star advertiser article - "Here illegally, Canadian arrested in sale of rifle"
Post by: Funtimes on July 09, 2013, 07:02:15 PM
Paying over MSRP for a crappy rifle... shame on the investigator!