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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: Old Guy on December 20, 2010, 12:54:46 PM
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Another shooting near the last one: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7347027.html (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7347027.html)
Perhaps, for those of us who carry lots of money, we can ask for a Police Escort to and From the Banks instead of a CCW permit?
Wonder what HPD will say to that one??
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They will respond when they are called, but how long it takes is up to them.
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I met someone from Texas today and he was telling me how whenever there's a brake in or robbery there, the bad guys almost always get the bad end of the it........CCW! CCW! CCW! :thumbsup:
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I met someone from Texas today and he was telling me how whenever there's a brake in or robbery there, the bad guys almost always get the bad end of the it........CCW! CCW! CCW! :thumbsup:
We used to have a lot of break ins and the like in my old neighbor hood that I grew up in outside Corpus Christi, TX. There are now several signs in my town that say "We support Concealed Carry. Think before you act!"
Crime has dropped since i have lived there.
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If i am not mistaken all you folks are allowed to carry on your personal property (home or work). Not to be mean or anything but you all act like lil bitchedsabout ccw. If you really truly wanna feel safe learn a martial art or become law enforcement then you can carry all the guns you want. Until then i suggest u all quit your moaning, bitching, and crying....... Except for randomn acts of violence (uesugi, Mau Gofredo, ewa beach stabbing) violent life threatening crimes do not really happen. Really guys you gonna point your lil pistol at some sole who decided to give you a stink eye after u said something stupid to him??????? Bottom line is this, THIS IS HAWAII NOT THE MAINLAND... IF YOU DO NOT LIKE OUR CCW LAWS GO BACK TO THE MAINLAND... KEEP HAWAII HAWAII!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aloha Oe, Mele Kalikimaka... Take care and have a safe Holiday Season.... :shaka:
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THIS IS HAWAII NOT THE MAINLAND... KEEP HAWAII HAWAII!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Observe, folks. This is exactly what I've been talking about that drags us 10 years behind. The mentality, the mold, that needs to be broken if we're ever to stop being last. The training we've received to not only shed our own rights, but to repel our own rights. All emotion. This saddens me. :-[
PS: Hawaii is a state that is part of the U.S.
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PS IF U DO NOT LIKE HAWAII'S GUN LAWS THEN LEAVE.
HAWAII IS ONE OF IF NOT THE SAFEST STATE IN THE USA.. REALLY BRAH U GUYS THINK YOU GONNA PLAY COPPER AND SHOOT PEOPLE???? WAKE UP BRADDAH :thumbsup:
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Too funny, "except for random acts of violence, violent life threatening crimes don't really happen...". This made me chuckle because you actually gave examples of VIOLENT CRIME happening in Hawaii.
So funny how you contradicted yourself in the same sentence. Please go back to the savage lands troll, I hope your sole skills protects you better than my .40 when someone breaks into your house to murder you and your family. :shaka:
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If i am not mistaken all you folks are allowed to carry on your personal property (home or work). Not to be mean or anything but you all act like lil bitchedsabout ccw. If you really truly wanna feel safe learn a martial art or become law enforcement then you can carry all the guns you want. Until then i suggest u all quit your moaning, bitching, and crying....... Except for randomn acts of violence (uesugi, Mau Gofredo, ewa beach stabbing) violent life threatening crimes do not really happen. Really guys you gonna point your lil pistol at some sole who decided to give you a stink eye after u said something stupid to him??????? Bottom line is this, THIS IS HAWAII NOT THE MAINLAND... IF YOU DO NOT LIKE OUR CCW LAWS GO BACK TO THE MAINLAND... KEEP HAWAII HAWAII!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aloha Oe, Mele Kalikimaka... Take care and have a safe Holiday Season.... :shaka:
quoted before he modded his reply... ;D
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THIS IS HAWAII NOT THE MAINLAND... KEEP HAWAII HAWAII!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Observe, folks. This is exactly what I've been talking about that drags us 10 years behind. The mentality, the mold, that needs to be broken if we're ever to stop being last. The training we've received to not only shed our own rights, but to repel our own rights. All emotion. This saddens me. :-[
PS: Hawaii is a state that is part of the U.S.
Yep, this is the "locals vs. haoles" attitude.
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"Too funny, "except for random acts of violence, violent life threatening crimes don't really happen...". This made me chuckle because you actually gave examples of VIOLENT CRIME happening in Hawaii.
So funny how you contradicted yourself in the same sentence. Please go back to the savage lands troll, I hope your sole skills protects you better than my .40 when someone breaks into your house to murder you and your family. " FROM KANEOHE GROWN
WHY WOULD I NEED A CCW PERMIT FOR HOME SELF DEFENSE?????????? Brah u talking apples and oranges..... Oh and my "sole skills" are fine thank you very much.. :rofl:
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You're totally right about the home defense vs ccw. I'll agree my post was ill worded. Let me rephrase the statement.
I hope your sole skills protect you and your family better than my .40 when someone holds you at gun point to rob you (after all people who are robbed at gun point are NEVER shot after *total sarcasm*).
Also, I noted that you attempted to apply for HPD. Good luck on that one, I hope the day you secure the crime scene for a victim of a rape or murder will be the day that you understand why ordinary citizens demand the right to defend themselves rather than rely on others...
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Guys. Please don't let him troll you. He's just another sovereignity type with a grudge towards something that happened most likely before he was even born. I've lived here pretty much all my life and I have seen these type that refuse to change based entirely on semantics. As I mentioned before, that attitude is why we're 10 years behind. Why being late is acceptable. Why being oppressed is desired. Why his only response is going to be, "eh, go bak mainland brah!". Why hundreds of jobs were lost from the superferry. Why locals attack another when that other local doesn't toe the line. We're trained to want to stay backwards.
I've lived in Hawaii all my life and it's my home. "Brah."
However, I AM done with being suppressed. I WILL fight for my rights.
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Totally right Dregs, I'm so used to this place containing Pro 2A supporters took me by surprise with the anti rant. For a second there, I thought I was in the StarAdvertiser comments section...
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The right to bear arms is your PRIVLEDGE not your damn rights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh i wanted the Super Ferry it was all the Haole's on Kauai that hated it. Funny those same Haole's that said the Ferry was destructive to the Islands are the same ones pushing for CCW O0
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Not sure if troll or silly keiki.
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maybe both??
Eh all BS aside why you all wanna carry for (other than protection/2nd Amendment)??
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Eh all BS aside why you all wanna carry for (other than protection/2nd Amendment)??
I just turned in my CCW permit today.... It is called the City and County of Honolulu Metropolitan Police Application. At first i was fustrated by the strict gun laws in Hawaii, but hell it is what it is, plus i always wanted to be a police officer. Good luck to all of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=927.msg6115#msg6115 (http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=927.msg6115#msg6115)
A bit ironic, innit?
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while the rest of you are wishing to carry I WILL BE!!!!!!!!! Doing it for the job security, money, perks, and a GOAL that i wished to accomplish..... Dont hate the player hate the GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If i am not mistaken all you folks are allowed to carry on your personal property (home or work). Not to be mean or anything but you all act like lil bitchedsabout ccw. If you really truly wanna feel safe learn a martial art or become law enforcement then you can carry all the guns you want. Until then i suggest u all quit your moaning, bitching, and crying....... Except for randomn acts of violence (uesugi, Mau Gofredo, ewa beach stabbing) violent life threatening crimes do not really happen. Really guys you gonna point your lil pistol at some sole who decided to give you a stink eye after u said something stupid to him??????? Bottom line is this, THIS IS HAWAII NOT THE MAINLAND... IF YOU DO NOT LIKE OUR CCW LAWS GO BACK TO THE MAINLAND... KEEP HAWAII HAWAII!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aloha Oe, Mele Kalikimaka... Take care and have a safe Holiday Season.... :shaka:
Do you have any inkling of a brain that is able to comprehend what the constitution stands for? This has nothing to do with mainland; this is the United States - brah. We have a *right* to keep and bear arms.
I would encourage you to research Uniform Crime Reports; if you have no clue what I am talking about, then you should probably rethink your comments on how "safe" Hawaii is. You are very likely to be robbed here, you are very likely to have your vehicle or property stolen or your house broken into. We were for the year 2009, 35th in the nation for most rapes. We are not number 1 for safety, in *ANY* topic. However, Vermont, who has constitutional carry is.
There is one statistically proven fact: Open or Concealed carry will only *DECREASE* the current crime rate. Don't like that? Prove me wrong with peer reviewed data, short of that, don't waste your time.
As to pointing a firearm at some sole "who gave the stink eye", see that is your problem actually. You don't have a complete understanding of the use of force and deadly force. You have probably never been trained or taught it either; and you probably are one of the guys who gets all huffy puffy when someone does give you the "stink eye."
In regards to the Superferry, it was the actions of many local groups petitioning, lobbying, protesting (On surfboards and kayaks to block harbor entrances) and various other protesting tactics that made the company realise that Hawaii is a fairly hostile business environment. We all understand that reefs and oceans need protecting, but we could focus on much larger offenders then a vessell pulling in and out of a harbor, especially when it would generate revenue to other states.
The real problem -- is you. You're slightly ignorant, if you were not, you wouldn't be trying to blame the "haole". People should really get the hell out with that type of stuff, this isn't 1960s. Like it or not, many of us are here to stay. This is not your island. It is *OUR* island.
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The right to bear arms is your PRIVLEDGE not your damn rights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh i wanted the Super Ferry it was all the Haole's on Kauai that hated it. Funny those same Haole's that said the Ferry was destructive to the Islands are the same ones pushing for CCW O0
1st, it is not a priviledge. It is not the priviledge to bear arms written in our constitution, which clearly states what rights we have as citizens. No, it is indeed a right afforded to all. It is in there for a reason. 2nd, this is not a haole vs locals issue as you perceive it to be. 3rd, I have no idea where you got that information. Please source.
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The right to bear arms is your PRIVLEDGE not your damn rights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh i wanted the Super Ferry it was all the Haole's on Kauai that hated it. Funny those same Haole's that said the Ferry was destructive to the Islands are the same ones pushing for CCW O0
I am in agreement with others here. It is our RIGHT to keep and bear arms, as provided by the Constitution of the United States of America. Last time I looked Hawaii was a State in this Union.
Our overly Liberal government has failed the citizens of this state, by allowing these laws to breech our freedom, in contradiction to the laws of the Nation we are a part of. It is my opinion that these laws were put in place a long time ago in the plantation days, and YOU, my friend, have that dreaded 'plantation mentality'.
I am born and raised here, and my folks didn't have a nice opinion about firearms. I too was like you and it took me a while to feel comfortable with the 'evil' gun. As I am older now I have realized what the establishment has been doing for all these years, and it is sickening. Before you make your statements about these issue, try giving a look at the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, and History(world, U.S. and Hawaiian), and give it a little thought. If you have any sense of reality and logic, then only one conclusion will remain in your mind.
Oh by the way, there is no way a bunch of haole's stopped the superferry and it had nothing to do with keeping the environment safe. It was your liberal state government and the big shipping companies (that they are in bed with) that killed the superferry. You didn't see Matson/Young Bros having to stop shipping did you???
Stop voting these liberal dingbats into office and watch and see how this State moves out of the dark ages (of plantation mentality) and joins the real world!
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nevermind
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Concealed carry is a privilege, not a right.
The states can regulate and legislate anything not denied to it by the state constitution or the federal constitution. The federal constitution guarantees the pre-existing right to keep and bear arms. In the context of 1789, we are talking about long rifles and large pistols, knives and axes, etc. The state constitutions pretty much protect the same right. But unless the state constitution guarantees the right to carry concealed weapons, then the state can outlaw it or regulate it with requirements for permits
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If you really truly wanna feel safe learn a martial art
You've been watching too much hollywood movies.
KEEP HAWAII HAWAII!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, what do you exactly mean by that, we'll just settle for being subjects? Don't you want liberty? Do you even know what liberty means? Didn't you look at the latest census results that majority of population gains are those places who respect people's liberty such as the 2A, lower taxes or no income taxes at all. You keep saying that, Hawaii we'll never prosper only the few will.
The right to bear arms is your PRIVLEDGE not your damn rights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wrong, wrong, wrong!! It is a God given right and the constitution is only there to affirm it. Self-defense is a God-given right, if God gives animals the right to defend their offspring and their territory how much for you being a creation above all this creatures, wouldn't be afforded such right. Read, research and learn brah there's this thing we called internet. Turn off your TV and stop watching MSM, learn how to think and not what to think. Ok brah? :thumbsup:
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Concealed carry is a privilege, not a right.
The states can regulate and legislate anything not denied to it by the state constitution or the federal constitution. The federal constitution guarantees the pre-existing right to keep and bear arms. In the context of 1789, we are talking about long rifles and large pistols, knives and axes, etc. The state constitutions pretty much protect the same right. But unless the state constitution guarantees the right to carry concealed weapons, then the state can outlaw it or regulate it with requirements for permits
I'm not going to sit and spell this out for you all day. Like the post above me, it's a right endowed by your creator, the constitution just affirms it - not gives it. Our fore fathers state you were already given it by your deity.
2008: Heller v. District of Columbia says, the Second Amendment is a fundamental right (applied to DC, as a federal enclave).
June, 2010 McDonald v. City of Chicgao = The right is incorporated to the states through the due process of the 14th amendment, meaning, that regardless of what a state says, the federal statute applies to the everyone. Which is why the handgun ban was struck down in Chicago.
The text "To Bear", as cited by the supreme court, means to carry upon one's person, or in ones pocket, a firearm (pistol, knife, stick etc) for the purpose of offensive and defensive action. See Muscarello vs. United States.
Arms are defined as those items in common use, which is slightly up for debate. However in general, anything you can buy at the store or is sold for wholesale is probably legit. Now, in no way, will I begin an internet argument over the term arms, however, pistols are most certainly protected under the Second Amendment so it's not up for debate.
The fundamental right of self-defense, which is what was found to be at the core of the Second Amendment, does not end at the threshold of ones doorstep. Just like you have the right to hand out flyers, speak in public, or attend and worship as you please, so should you be able to bear arms. Now, states have commonly regulated the use of arms, and not so much the carry of them (i.e., you may not shoot past 9pm, discharge only in self-defense), and they have been able to narrowly regulate, permits, registration, readily available classes and education requirements. The important part of that is to key in on narrowly, meaning by no lesser means. Total bans on the carrying of firearms is not a narrow regulation (see Heller v. DC) and it fails the reasonable regulation test.
I encourage you to brush up on the current jurisprudence in regards to the Second Amendment; also take a look at history around 1870s (Freedmens Act). You can't look towards Hawaii's history, as they have little to none of it on the books in regards to regulations and laws.
At any rate, please show me a definition of bear, in the context of the Second Amendment, where it doesn't equate to carrying on one's person!
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The states can regulate and legislate anything not denied to it by the state constitution or the federal constitution
Should we start regulating all the other rights under the bill of rights? The bill of rights belongs to the individual not the state. That's why it's called the bill of rights.
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FUNTIMES if you believe it is your right then carry!! Protect yourself and others. If you get arrested by Police explain it is your 2nd Ammendment Rights. If you are willing to get arrested for your cause then do so. Maybe we will see Hawaii vs Funtimes. Until then we gonna go around and around about this. :closed:
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FUNTIMES if you believe it is your right then carry!! Protect yourself and others. If you get arrested by Police explain it is your 2nd Ammendment Rights. If you are willing to get arrested for your cause then do so. Maybe we will see Hawaii vs Funtimes. Until then we gonna go around and around about this. :closed:
Suggesting that people go out and violate the law is not the appropriate response. We are here to educate and inform, with facts (not the rediculous emotional responses that you present). While running out to get arrested might be ok for you, it's not a viable option for myself. I am a responsible adult, who takes of his family, his debts, and his businesses, who donates time to charities and works very hard to restore and promote Americans rights. I defend my country, and I sacrifice for the greater good of the United States.
So please, take your shenangians elsewhere. The jury is verdict is in; the result is out: I find you ignorant.]
Any time you feel like being educated, I encourage you to meet up. I will even bring the supreme court documentation with me to explain how you are 100% incorrect in your thought process. You seem to have a fairly tainted mind, and a narrowed opinion. I'm not arguing with emotions or non-sense. I can back up everything I have stated with peer reviewed documentation, court opinions, and documented legal history.
You have argued with and provided, well, nothing.
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but its your rights per the 2nd Ammendment right????? :wave:
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Your arguments are very juvenile and 5 steps behind. You still haven't responded to being prejudice and just knee-jerk responding to everything based on emotion. I am ready for an adult debate where two parties attempt to convince the other to agree, but you only present animal instinct rhetoric based on feelings. I am willing to debate, just bring logic.
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FYI guys, this guy is a troll and sounds a lot like someone over on the Star Advertiser's comments....he is trying to bait you, do n't fall for it.
If indeed he is the same small-minded, plantation-mentality troll, he'll never respond to logic or facts and will make subsequent attacks personal.
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Your arguments are very juvenile and 5 steps behind. You still haven't responded to being prejudice and just knee-jerk responding to everything based on emotion. I am ready for an adult debate where two parties attempt to convince the other to agree, but you only present animal instinct rhetoric based on feelings. I am willing to debate, just bring logic.
Prejudice LMFAO :crazy: U all got this CCW so far up your cracks u becoming delusional. U are all grown as men acting like lil babies!!! The minute an outsider challenges you and your precious CCW rights you get huffy and start calling me out on the computer LMAO... Thank God we do not have CCW... You idiots would mess it up....
Debate shoots bring it on!!!
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Your arguments are very juvenile and 5 steps behind. You still haven't responded to being prejudice and just knee-jerk responding to everything based on emotion. I am ready for an adult debate where two parties attempt to convince the other to agree, but you only present animal instinct rhetoric based on feelings. I am willing to debate, just bring logic.
Prejudice LMFAO :crazy: U all got this CCW so far up your cracks u becoming delusional. U are all grown as men acting like lil babies!!! The minute an outsider challenges you and your precious CCW rights you get huffy and start calling me out on the computer LMAO... Thank God we do not have CCW... You idiots would mess it up....
Debate shoots bring it on!!!
Still waiting for you to counter any of my arguments. I don't think that you possess the mental capacity to hold a debate. (I would limit that to gun control, but by your responses that might trickle down to all subjects.) Where prejudice is concerned, your the one enjoying western ideas, values, and products, yet complaining about the "Haoles" being on "your" island.
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Prejudice, as in, brah, go back mainland!, when rights have nothing to do with being from the mainland or haole.
So far I haven't seen an actual challenge from you yet. Just uncontrolled emotional rhetoric.
Actually, most of the responses from the regular users have been very adult. Far from acting like babies.
I haven't seen anyone here call you out. That would be the archaic thing to do. The only thing we encourage you to do is to stick to the issue at hand and think before you speak. Present facts instead of feelings.
I'm sorry but I've handled worse trolls who really know how to pull people's strings. Right now you're blindly grasping at anything in reach and hoping for a reaction without having any real plans. You would be hardpressed to find anyone who will give you your high here. You've a lot to learn in the arts of trolling yet.
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Problem here is, those that are having this "discussion" are Males.
I would like Mr Troll to tell a 5' tall, 98 pound woman she has to fight Mr Sole one on one or fight the entire Gang by herself bare handed.
Don't know about him, but, I have met women who have been raped and or otherwise abused.
No way did they have a chance against their attacker.
These are the kind of Women I like to teach and advise the proper use of a firearm.
Of course, Mr Troll feels otherwise about women. No doubt, he feels they have no such rights and are "Subservient" to men.
FWIW, some of the wome that were victims of a Sexual assault have told me, "NEVER AGAIN". From the kind of purses that they
carry, looking at it, you'd never know that there is a Smith & Wesson 38 or 357 magnum in it.
About Mau Gefredo, My Wife and I could have very well been the couple that were shot and killed.
We have been known to go to Tantalus on a cold dark rainy night just to photograph the Night Blooming Cereus flowers.
For those of you not familiar with it, it is a flower that Blossoms Only on cold dark rainy nights.
Since the shooting, my Wife does Not want to go back to take photos, not Unless she has a Smith 357 or Beretta 40 with Her and
I have a companion Smith or Beretta to match.
But, that will never happen because we are good Law Abiding citizens and we do Not have CCW permits. So, if we were to go back taking photos,
we would be great Victims of Violent Crime. So we don't go.
IF Mr Troll ever gets to be a COP, I really hope he gets called out to the violent sex assault cases and then tell the victim that she has no rights to self
defense with a firearm. She should just rely on her Vast martial arts training.
Or when he is up Waianae Valley Road where his radio doesn't work and he's confronting a Large group of soles drunk and intent on shoving his MagLight
where the sun doesn't shine.......and an armed civilian asks if wants help....
Course, that'll never happen 'cause he's a COP and thinks, One Riot, One COP........(Palolo Valley Housing over 30 years ago.....I heard he was found in the dumpster)
Or Maybe he doesn't have a Significant Other to care about..........
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Where's the Mods on this...this should have been locked 6 pages ago.
Good job guys, now this site looks like the gun crazy tinfoil group antis want it to be.
Please lock and bury this thread its an embarrassment to the 2A community.
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Nah, I don't think this is too bad. However, it is a one sided debate.
Too bad the troller does not have any pertinent facts to back up their argument.
All I see is some good info being communicated, and an anti getting thrashed. :popcorn:
Good job all.
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The Second Amendment's brief but tangled declaration that “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed†remains among the Constitution's most controversial provisions.
The modern debate centers on whether the amendment safeguards individual rights or whether it merely preserves a state's right to maintain militia forces (the “collectivist theoryâ€). English antecedents not only allowed the possession of arms by the male citizenry, but also frequently compelled it, and many American colonies followed suit.
The amendment itself, however, arose out of Antifederalists' fears about the oppressive potential of a central government protected by a standing army. Cognizant that standing armies often aided European tyrants, and recalling the repression British regulars enforced prior to the revolution, the framers were leery of professional militaries. They were also concerned about the enormous expense of sustaining a full time force.
Nevertheless, influential leaders like George Washington insisted that some professional forces were required. The compromise reflected in the Constitution provides for both a full time national military and part time state based militias. The Second Amendment, the Supreme Court said in U.S. v. Miller (1939), was intended to “assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness†of these militia, which were meant to counterbalance the dangers of a standing army, as well as to provide a cost effective supplement to the nation's defense.
According to the Supreme Court in Miller, the amendment extends only to “ordinary†militia arms. The Militia Act of 1792, for example, required the maintenance of little more than a musket and bayonet, small arms that the ordinary male citizen would have at home in the 1780s and could physically “bear.â€
Eighteenth century warfare was organized around the massed effect of such relatively simple personal weapons. Over the next two centuries, however, the nature of warfare shifted and the strategic value of small arms declined. Today, civilians equipped with small arms hardly counterbalance the heavy weaponry of military professionals.
Twentieth century American laws limiting the right to bear arms are largely a response to the rise in firearm related crime and are usually upheld by the courts. Many follow the collectivist theory and hold that the amendment only shields state organized militias. Others, like the Miller decision, find that an individual's possession of a particular weapon is unrelated to a militia's “preservation or efficiency†and can therefore be controlled. Following the Supreme Court in Presser v. Illinois (1886), most courts sanction state firearms restrictions by declaring that the amendment bars only federal interference.
Despite these rulings, polls show that an overwhelming number of Americans believe the U.S. Constitution guarantees them the right to own a gun. Indeed, 80 million Americans own firearms, primarily for sporting or safety purposes. The absence of any recent Supreme Court cases addressing the Second Amendment, as well as new arguments in the 1990s that a right to bear arms might exist in the penumbra of the Ninth or Tenth Amendments, seems to assure that the nature and scope of the right to bear arms will remain contentious in the United States.
2nd Ammendment is your right!!!
CCW is a privilege.
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So, Mr Troll feels that since the 2A is privilege, Only Certain Annoited people can carry guns?
Like Him?
I suppose that Women and old people are Not in this category and thus are regulated to being easy victims?
He is also NOT a Liberetarian in thinking. If he were, a nuclear weapon would be allowed as long as it is used in a responsible manner and the
the user accepts full Responsibility for damages caused by it. (Book, "The Probability Broach", by L. Neil Smith)
Since he feels that government is "supreme", he should READ this book: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM (http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM)
written by a UH professor.
The military may seem to have power but individuals still can win, look at Iraq and Afghanistan. Ever since the days of Alexander, No One has effectively been able to
tame that piece of the world. Not Breat Britian, not Russia and certainly not the US.
And just what kind of weapons are the Afghan "insurgents" using? Pretty much the same stuff we have here except for RPGs(more or less).
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Interesting read.
About CCW being a priviledge, but 2nd Amendment being a right.
Denying both open carry and concealed carry is an infringement of the 2nd amendment. You can't agree with "keep arms" and then claim "bear arms" mean nothing. You don't interpret it whichever way you want it to read. You don't choose what part of the consitution applies and doesn't apply. It all applies. You read it for what it says.
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So, Mr Troll feels that since the 2A is privilege, Only Certain Annoited people can carry guns?
Like Him?
What i really feel is that there should be no CCW in Hawaii.
I suppose that Women and old people are Not in this category and thus are regulated to being easy victims?
um not u, grandpa, or mary Jane. NO CCW period...
He is also NOT a Liberetarian in thinking. If he were, a nuclear weapon would be allowed as long as it is used in a responsible manner and the
the user accepts full Responsibility for damages caused by it. (Book, "The Probability Broach", by L. Neil Smith)
:sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:
Since he feels that government is "supreme", he should READ this book: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM (http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM)
written by a UH professor.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
The military may seem to have power but individuals still can win, look at Iraq and Afghanistan. Ever since the days of Alexander, No One has effectively been able to
tame that piece of the world. Not Breat Britian, not Russia and certainly not the US.
Dude u need some help!!
And just what kind of weapons are the Afghan "insurgents" using? Pretty much the same stuff we have here except for RPGs(more or less).
Last i checked Hawaii was not Iraq so you do not make any sense. Sorry Bro
TROLL OUT O0
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Jesus christ, I hope this guy doesn't become a cop. We don't need more high school flunkies on the police force because someone got tired of doing construction. I would not depend on this guy in a life threatening situation. That's why we need CCW.
Please do not feed the trolls. Obviously this guy is not capable of constructive, intelligent debate. Funtimes and others, I appreciate your effort to educate him but I highly doubt he will do any of the recommended research. He's probably busy buying up all the Defend Hawaii clothes he can with his allowance.
Just ignore him, people. Eventually trolls die off when they don't get enough attention. Let's save our energy for debates with people over the age of 14. Thank you.
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I have locked this topic. Obviously, Defend does not have any fact to prove his point, and further more, his retorts are designed to inflame members. Also, his use of racial stereotypes is not in good taste, and not what this website is about.
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Just so others understand, this site is about open discussion, but this thread has moved beyond that. Obviously "Defend Hawaii" doesn't have any logical arguments to present as he hasn't presented any yet.
Defend Hawaii, I hope you can open your mind as you get older and grow. Just read some of the posts from the members here and you can learn a lot. If you have some logical (as opposed to emotional) arguments against CCW, I gladly welcome that discussion.