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Legal and Activism / Re: Isle gun laws seen as solid despite ruling?
« on: June 30, 2010, 09:52:44 AM »
AND TODAYS STAR ADVERTISER ARTICLE.....
http://www.staradvertiser.com/editorials/20100630_Hawaii_gun_laws_are_sound.html
 
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Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr., who wrote the majority opinion in the 5-4 decision, acknowledged that it may "lead to extensive and costly litigation."
 
However, Hawaii Attorney General Mark Bennett has expressed confidence that the state's present gun controls would survive any legal challenge.
 
Indeed, Harvey Gerwig II, president of the Hawaii Rifle Association, said he has no plan to challenge the rigidity of the islands' handgun restrictions. He said the organization instead will address the issue of delays in gaining permission to get a handgun.
 
Gerwig noted that Hawaii's law requires a person to fill out paperwork and make multiple trips to the police department before being allowed to own a handgun. He wants a one-stop, one-time process. However, the state's meticulous requirements are not unreasonable. They are a primary line of defense in determining whether an applicant has been convicted of a felony or involuntarily committed to a mental health facility, and therefore prohibited by federal law from obtaining a firearm.
 
Hawaii is among only four states that allow involuntary commitment if a mentally ill person poses an "imminent danger" to himself and others."
 
Ok....First thing that comes to mind, What about the "bearing" of arms? Hawaii has a "concealed permit" program, but it is "May-Issue", (read May-Not-Issue)....not Shall-Issue. Every couple of years Sen. Slom authors a bill to change that (the latest being SB-2495), without much support. Last time I read the 2A, it says "the right of the people to keep AND bear arms shall not be infringed".
 
43 states, either by permit or by law, allow open-carry of handguns. Why not here?
 
Only 6 states, to include Hawaii, REQUIRE registration of firearms. Some state courts and State AGs have ruled that registration is unconstitutional, or illegal based on the state laws. Why still Hawaii?
 
With respect to the state constitution on arms, word for word the same as the 2A, with 2 extra commas. Hawaii's laws aren't even in line with that. WHY?
 
Hawaii is considered by many groups to be one of the most RESTRICTIVE states in the nation. WHY?
 
And Harvey Gerwig II "said he has no plan to challenge the rigidity of the islands' handgun restrictions?" ......WHY???
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I sense that eventually SCOTUS is going to be charged with defining what is "reasonable". Anybody else see this coming?
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This guy is a real piece of work. He is over on OpenCarry.Org. He has been banned from a few other sights as well, I guess for not playing well with others.
Technically, we all do agree with him that he did not break any laws, but he has really pushed the limits of common sense and safety. Take a read if you like....

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum50/40405.html
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum50/40154.html
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum4/40563.html
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum4/40314.html
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum65/40287.html
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum50/35654.html
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum50/35641.html
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum50/35503.html



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I've sent a few letters in support of the new CC bill. I still think it needs a few tweeks, but BY FAR, this is the BEST bill for CC authored so far.

My question is, how can we find out WHEN we can speak in support of this bill, to the commitee IN PERSON? Something I have never had the opportunity to do. In other states there is usually some type of schedule put out to speak on proposed bills, but I have not been able to find anything for Hawaii. If I can find out when I can speak in support of this bill, I'll be there.

Any Ideas????
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Legal and Activism / Re: A friend in the Hawaii State Legislature, Sam Slom
« on: December 23, 2009, 07:29:42 AM »
I tried to email his state address but didn't get a reply.

That was about 1-2 months ago.

A friend of mine sent him an email about a month after this bill was introduced....no reply. Gives me the feeling that we are on our own.  >:(
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Legal and Activism / Re: A friend in the Hawaii State Legislature, Sam Slom
« on: December 22, 2009, 08:38:49 PM »
Wait I just had an idea for revisions to HRS 134-9 :)

     Â§134-9  Licenses to carry.  (a)  In an exceptional case, when an applicant shows reason to fear injury to the applicant's person or property, The chief of police of the appropriate county may shall grant a license to an applicant who is a citizen of the United States of the age of twenty-one years or more or to a duly accredited official representative of a foreign nation of the age of twenty-one years or more to carry a pistol or revolver and ammunition therefor concealed on the person within the county where the license is granted. Where the urgency or the need has been sufficiently indicated, The respective chief of police may shall grant to an applicant of good moral character who is a citizen of the United States of the age of twenty-one years or more, is engaged in the protection of life and property, and is not prohibited under section 134-7 from the ownership or possession of a firearm, a license to carry a pistol or revolver and ammunition therefor unconcealed on the person within the county where the license is granted.  The chief of police of the appropriate county, or the chief's designated representative, shall perform an inquiry on an applicant by using the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, to include a check of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement databases where the applicant is not a citizen of the United States, before any determination to grant a license is made.  Unless renewed, the license shall expire one year from the date of issue.

     (b)  The chief of police of each county shall adopt procedures to require that any person granted a license to carry a concealed weapon on the person shall:

     (1)  Be qualified to use the firearm in a safe manner;

     (2)  Appear to be a suitable person to be so licensed;

     (3)  Not be prohibited under section 134-7 from the ownership or possession of a firearm; and

     (4)  Not have been adjudged insane or not appear to be mentally deranged.

     (c)  No person shall carry concealed or unconcealed on the person a pistol or revolver without being licensed to do so under this section or in compliance with sections 134-5(c) or 134-25.

     (d)  A fee of $10 shall be charged for each license and shall be deposited in the treasury of the county in which the license is granted.


Strike #2 out and you might have something there.  :thumbsup:
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Legal and Activism / Re: A friend in the Hawaii State Legislature, Sam Slom
« on: December 22, 2009, 12:58:47 PM »
I agree; a lot of the language is dangerously ambiguous.  I'd rather they take the time to get it right than to get it right-now.

Exactly my point. Trading the current statute for one with so many loopholes to continue to deny a permit is no change for the better.
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General Discussion / Re: New Member? Introduce yourself here!
« on: December 22, 2009, 04:03:53 AM »
Hi....friends call me Chase. Active Navy stationed in Pearl Harbor. Very pro-gun and pro 2A. I come from very gun friendly states...AZ,TX, and CO.

I'd love to see some changes here in the laws. I have recently become something of a Maniac Researcher. I love searching for 2A stuff and holding some great debates.....I'm still new at so bear with me when I seem a little slow.   :sleeping: ;D

Also, I've been riding motorcycles for the last 24 years, any other riders here???
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Legal and Activism / Re: A friend in the Hawaii State Legislature, Sam Slom
« on: December 22, 2009, 03:56:14 AM »
Hi...new here, but I've been lurking for awhile. I noticed nothing has been said recently about SB-327, I heard it died off. To be honest, that was good and bad. Bad for the reason that it would have been a slight improvement over what we have now.

But good that it died off due to its current writing. That bill needs alot of changing before it will greater support. I posted a link to the bill below, but here are a few highlights....

"Knowledge or aptitude in any other area deemed necessary for licensure by the chief of police of the appropriate county."
Anything that the chief deems "necessary"......WIDE OPEN"
"Has been deemed a suitable person to be so licensed by the issuing police officer through means of a face-to-face interview;"
Just what does a suitable person look like???
"A written psychological evaluation that finds the applicant to be free from any emotional or mental condition that might adversely affect the ability of the applicant to carry a concealed pistol or revolver in a safe, lawful, and responsible manner. The psychological evaluation shall have been performed within six months prior to the date of application. Emotional and mental condition shall be evaluated by either of the following:

(A) A licensed psychiatrist who has at least the equivalent of five full-time years of experience in the diagnosis and treatment of emotional and mental disorders, including the equivalent of three full-time years accrued after completion of the postgraduate medical residency education program in psychiatry; or

(B) A licensed psychologist who has at least the equivalent of five full-time years of experience  in the diagnosis and treatment of emotional and
 mental disorders, including the equivalent of three full-time years accrued post-doctorate.

Any costs associated with obtaining the psychological evaluation shall be borne by the applicant."
This ain't cheap, and its a bogus requirement.
"If the chief of police fails to issue or deny the license within forty-five days after the date of receipt of the items listed in subsection (e) or within such further time as may be necessary under subsection (f) (3), the application shall be deemed denied..."
If he has no reason to want to issue a permit, he can just sit on it until 45 days are up....NOT GOOD.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2009/bills/SB327_.PDF

Plus they will require fingerprints again, Don't we ALREADY provide fingerprints for a permit to aquire???

Too many loopholes in this bill IMO.
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