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General Discussion / Re: Worst 2A decision ever!? Hawaii Supreme Court
« on: February 08, 2024, 05:26:15 PM »
Well, I guess I don't support the 2A then, because you all have decided that I don't.

Take the $100 I donated (and everything else I have done to lobby) and buy yourself some lunch for your efforts, because I apparently was not supporting the cause to begin with.

Good luck.

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General Discussion / Re: Worst 2A decision ever!? Hawaii Supreme Court
« on: February 08, 2024, 12:32:13 PM »
Whoa, stirred the hornets nets apparently. Too much to quote, so I'll just respond in general.

How do rights work?

Your rights are ALWAYS balanced with the rights of another. The Constitution itself does not comprise every law applicable law. The very same right to Free Speech protects the KKK the same way it protects the Black Panthers and everything in between. However, freedom of speech is not unlimited, and neither should any other right. I know some (most?) people here believe that 2A should be an unlimited right. I disagree. That's just a difference of opinions.

Do I own guns? What do I believe?

I believe, that when in the confines of ones own home, and based on the "Place to Keep" requirements, a person should be allowed to own ANY GUN they want. Full-auto SBR with "exploding bullets"? Go right ahead. However, when it comes to carrying in public, a person should be certified so that there is a general understanding of 'who they are' (not a felon, suspected violent crime offender, escapee from a mental ward, etc.) and the peace of mind the person is somewhat capable of deploying that firearm without a significant detriment to others. I don't believe in any law obviously designed to hinder a persons right to bear arms. Private property banned by default? That's pretty "obvious". For example, the "Sensitive Place" laws are clearly a tertiary effort to stifle gun-carrying when other options have failed, even though a person has already met the rigorous requirements to get a CCW in the state of Hawaii. If you pass your CCW in its current form? You should be able to carry any pistol, regardless of whether you tested with it or not, nearly any place by default.

I do own guns. I can't say anything other than that.

Hurricanes and Karens

When a hurricane hits, there could be severe damage to infrastructure. At that point, I don't care if there are caravans of unidentified people driving around with rifles, because we are all just trying to "survive". I would absolutely call the police if I saw a known felon carrying a rifle, even if they are own their own property and that doesn't make me a "Karen". Calling the cops on someone just because they are carrying a gun on private property, that's totally different, and is uncalled for. I don't agree with the "printing rule" because it can happen even with the most responsible carrying. At the same time, I don't believe open carrying during a time of peace really inspires civility, not in a place like Hawaii where the general stance towards guns is negative. I would support Open Carry if the public generally supported it, but I don't think pushing for Open Carry is the way to go about generating public support.
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General Discussion / Re: Worst 2A decision ever!? Hawaii Supreme Court
« on: February 08, 2024, 11:08:40 AM »
please show me where a "free-wheeling right to carry guns in public degrades others constitutional rights"...

Because anyone, carrying any gun, anytime, encompasses the tenets of civil unrest. There must be some measure of where, when, and how a person can carry a gun, because that's what laws do and without laws, there is unrest. It is a question of magnitude in re these laws, not a question of the legitimacy of the 2A.

If there was a massive hurricane, would you care that your felon neighbor is standing on the roof of their house with an AR? Probably not, if they are keeping to themselves. If that same neighbor was doing that during a time of peace, I would hope you call the police.
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General Discussion / Re: Worst 2A decision ever!? Hawaii Supreme Court
« on: February 08, 2024, 10:47:10 AM »
Interesting opinion...

It's true that the Native Hawaiian's used principles of "Restorative Justice" for most disputes (specifically: Community Circles) and I guess that's what we can use to define the "Spirit of Aloha". However, lets not forget that 'white people' did in fact bring about a "society where armed people moved about the community to possibly combat the deadly aims of others" because that's exactly how the illegal annexation of Hawaii occurred, LOL.

I agree that a "free-wheeling right to carry guns in public degrades others constitutional rights", but at the same time, the mere presence of guns in public does not take away the general "right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".

Why must everyone think in such absolutes? We'll (society as a whole) never make any progress (in any direction, for or against 2A) this way. Life is not a "tug of war" but rather a "balance of sensibility". The only thing you get at the end of a tug of war is a broken rope when neither side gives.
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General Discussion / Re: CCI UpperCut!! 22LR "Defense Ammo"
« on: February 04, 2024, 05:18:52 PM »
I'm confused.

Why was there expansion in the first two videos but not in the 3rd? Seems pretty dramatic of a difference. Barrel length on the G44 and TX22 about the same. I can't imagine a 2.5" barrel getting any expansion at all despite the ammo being "optimized".

Am I missing something?
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General Discussion / Re: Hollywood's Top Female Gun Owners
« on: February 04, 2024, 08:16:55 AM »
Couple mentions on owning guns for self-defense in these examples. I have to say, agree 100%. A gun is the best pound-for-pound self defense tool, an important acknowledgement in an age where "there's no difference between men and women". Having "fought" only a few women, I can say fighting any man is much more difficult regardless of their size or training (speaking in averages).

Funny comment on Glocks being like a Toyota. I feel the same way, which is why I own Glocks. Relatively cheap, reliable, millions of parts.

Amber Heard owns guns? Scary. Any adult who intentionally sharts the bed because they're upset at their partner should probably... apply for a CCW in Hawaii to see if they meet the "character" requirements...
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General Discussion / Re: crime is down....
« on: February 03, 2024, 12:41:30 AM »
In statistics, the terms up and down are normally reserved for trends.  Trends have a specific definition, which are based not on a cherry-picked or manipulative start/stop period, statistical method or interpretation. [1]

The only way for someone to report the opposite trend from what the data supports is either lying or hiding the actual data. [2]

If i tell you crime is down, and I'm using only the comparison between yesterday and today, that's an absolute lie.  A trend is not defined by a 24 hour period.  if that's what's being used, then it's reqired that the trend be reported with "over the past 24 hours" in the report. [3]

So, while statistics can be, and are, manipulated to provide a desired answer, that answer needs to be within the realm of accepted statistical standards. [4]

Trends are based on direct data evidence, not some statistical method that changes from another method. [5]

Trend analysis can use statistical methods to filter, smooth or isolate trends that are hidden or not well defined in a "noisy" dataset, but the trend still exists if the data supports it.   The direction doesn't change with those methods.  It's either up, down, or not present,  it can't be altered unless the analyst is manipulating the data or the results. [6]

There are at least 3 basic weaknesses in trend analysis:

1.  All data is subject to sampling errors.  That's not the case with HPD using actual numbers the department gathered from official reports.  Unless the reporting process is error prone, the datat used is as close to correct as you could expect. [7]

2.  Data is subject to sampling errors.  Again, since HPD has ALL the data, there's nothing to be gained by even using a sampling method.  The amount of data over a few years is not so massive that samples should be used.  It's always best to use ALL available data, which given the totals HPD often reports publcly, is not a problem for them. [8]

3.  "Phantom" trends can crop up in short term data points.  That's why trends should be studied as far back as possible.  To pick a short term in which a given trend is reported tells me they are cherry-picking the data if the data isn't being labeled "short term" with the specific period also labeled.  i.e. if reporting the number of gun sales year over year, it would be inaccurate to report 2020 sales versus 2024.  So much about 2020 was unique that comparing that with 3 years later would be considered cherry-picking unless the numbers are being used to illustrate a specific point being made -- not to report a trend. [9]

Up, down or flat -- it can't be more than one if the data is being used correctly and reported honestly. [10]

1) A "trend" is just something observed in a Time Series Analysis. There are many different types of Time Series Analyses and some of them in fact do in fact use "manipulative start/stop methods" see: "Interrupted Time Series Analysis". "Cherry Picking" could be used to skew results, but technically all samples within a population are cherry-picked, and without a sample you cannot perform a statistical analysis.

2) Maybe. Most people cannot be bothered trying to understand the comprehensive statistical method(s) of the stats they are receiving, the same way most people cannot be bothered calculating friction coefficients but trust its safe to be on airplanes and drive cars anyway.

3) False. Trends can absolutely be reported using 24 hour denominations (see: "day-to-day trend"). Additionally, in some cases, data from preceding/proceeding days/months/years may be unavailable. In these cases, you can employ other statistical methods to determine if the "true mean" lies within your sample, especially if the qualitative and quantitative nature of your population is unknown (ex: we know human height is evenly distributed, even if we cannot and did not measure everyone on the planets height to reach this conclusion).

4) Agree.

5) False. The "trend" from every conceivable statistical model may or may not be congruent. This is why in an academic study the author must demonstrate why a particular model was used over the alternatives. In the news, they can report whatever they want.

6) Trend analysis is a particularly useful benefit of stats, however, analysts can absolutely change the observable trend. You can add or remove "noise" from a dataset by changing the sample within a population. For this reason, "outliers" are usually identified and accompanied with an explanation as to why they were omitted--and the opposite may also occur (Think about the HPD Major(?) who said rape was not included in the crime statistics because rape is an indoor crime and Waikiki is "outdoors", and therefore "crime in District 6 is down").

7) As ChangeMyOil666 reports, sometimes crimes occur without the documentation of a police report. Interestingly enough, a proper and comprehensive statistical analysis can account for this (see: point estimation)

8) Samples are used for many reasons, especially when using a population of data is costly, inaccurate, or ineffective. Generally speaking, the smaller the sample, the more accurate the analysis.

9) Agree, especially since we should know how many "non-private sales" occurred within the state. In a statistical analysis, years such as 2020 may possibly be excluded, but in such an event, there should be an explanation.

10) Agree, but not many people want the real "facts and data", and would prefer to receive the 'analysis' according to the narrative they subscribe (left or right).

I've been told harsh prison conditions don't deter crime [1].  Only a support network which can embarrass the offender into not wanting to go back to prison can prevent that person from breaking the law in the future. [2]

Or something like that....

Curious if you would ever factor in those prison conditions should you ever be tempted to fracture a law again?

1) There is significant scientific evidence that demonstrates incarceration is ineffective as a deterrent and actually has a dramatic effect on furthering reoffence (see: School to Prison Pipeline). There is also 'collateral damage' when it comes to harsh penalties as well. I remember SCOTUS case involving a juvenile who was expelled from school under a "Zero Tolerance Policy" for bringing a small pocket knife to school that she forgot in her backpack. The knife was discovered in her bag during a random locker search. The student explained she was using it to cut open haybales on the farm and had forgotten to remove it from her purse before the next school day.

2) Not exactly. Strong social bonds prevent people from committing crime to begin with, in addition to the shame someone will experience in those social circles if they are arrested; found guilty; and spends time in jail for a crime. Think of it this way... some people may be more afraid of their parents beating their ass for stealing even if retail theft is decriminalized, whereas others may have friends and family who are joining them in retail theft because they are entitled to self-help "reparations".
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General Discussion / Re: crime is down....
« on: February 02, 2024, 08:07:42 AM »
The statement "crime is down" can be a factual statement from the same set of data where the statement "crime is up" is also true. Change definitions; change statistical model/method; change the interpretation.

This very news article makes only a brief mention of the data is has examined: "between Oct. 9, 2023 and Jan. 21, 2024 there have been 78 smash and grab burglaries." It then provides us with anecdotal evidence via testimony to the prevalence and impact regarding "smash and grabs".

We have only one data point provided, no definitions, no measurements, no context, and no transparency.

The only thing we know is that it seems to be a problem because the news published an article on it. Could it be a problem? Yes. Could it not be a problem? Yes. The only thing we know from this article is that we have a narrative.

#FoodForThought
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General Discussion / Re: Blue Lives Matter
« on: February 02, 2024, 07:53:25 AM »
Cop should be dead if the bad guy wanted it to happen.
May be an ego and dominance thing.  Bad guy initially wants to shoot and kill cop.  When the cop ran, fell, and was rendered defenseless, bad guy felt dominating the cop was better than killing him.

Not choosing the most efficient means of slaying does not mean death was not intended. Yes, he could've taken the cops gun and shot him with it, or stayed to beat the cop longer.

The perpetrator could've expended all of his rounds or had a serious weapon malfunction and was unable to continue firing. Perhaps the officers firearm was lost during the encounter, or the thought of using it escaped the perps mind. Maybe the perp thought the officer was already dead, or felt he did not have time to escape if the beating continued. It could also be that the perp, despite looking like he's a good shot, incidentally hit the cop in the legs rather than the head.

One can speculate on what drove the perpetrator to attack the officer (and allegedly engage in prior criminal behavior), but I think the perps intent to kill was very clear.
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General Discussion / Re: Cut slides
« on: February 01, 2024, 03:40:00 PM »
I just hate when I train and get "pinched" between gun and holster when re-holstering.   :shake:

Too much McDonalds breakfast causing deeper concealment and extra retention.

I'm familiar with TAP-ROLL-RACK, and TAP-RACK-BANG.  I've never heard of RACK-TAP-RELOAD.

Seems like TAP-RACK makes more sense that RACK-TAP, since most malfunctions are the result of magazine problems.  Reseating the mag before racking the slide would remedy the mag problem.  "Tapping" the mag after you rack the slide would not fix a mag issue, so the "tap" would be ineffective.

And if you need to reload, chances are the slide is locked back.  That's a clue.  If it failed to lock back then you get a "click" instead of "bang".

That's not a firearm malfunction.  That's just mistaking an empty mag for something else.  Operator error, basically.

If the mag is bad and won't feed, the tap will not fix it, so a tactical reload may be needed to swap in a working mag.

 :shaka:

No hyphen between "tap" and "reload". I always tap my mags when they're inserted, but then again, I've never been in a firefight. It's kinda funny because it makes people who aren't comfortable arounds guns pretty nervous, you know, 'banging' around a loaded gun even if your finger is off the trigger and it's pointed in a safe direction.

Most of my previous post was satire anyway. I am, however, serious about getting one of my slides cut for the EPS Carry even if I'm not practicing "navel reloads"
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General Discussion / Re: Cut slides
« on: February 01, 2024, 11:26:03 AM »
Interested in this as well.

I have either a stock Gen 5 G19 slide, or a precut Noveske slide with cuts for a Holosun 407/507 (can it be modified?), that needs to be cut for a Holosun EPS Carry.

If possible, I would like to see previously completed work. I don't want my "muffin top" fat rolls to get cutup from jagged edges when I sit down lol

EDIT: I bought that stupid optic when Holosun was having Production Possibility Frontier issues lol. After like a year of waiting, it shows up. Still sitting on my desk, NIB. I can't practice my 1-hand "rack-tap reload" using my navel as a fulcrum without an optic.
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General Discussion / Re: Blue Lives Matter
« on: February 01, 2024, 08:08:18 AM »
I'm so curious as to why that perp was so triggered that he actually did what he did.

The suspect in this case, "Cristobal Santana" is not only a suspect in a prior murder, but was also involved in two instances of domestic violence as well. Santana was the subject of two orders of protection. Police temporarily took Santana's gun (it was a Glock, lol) away. Santana was arrested, but not charged.

He probably knew his time was coming to an end.

This case highlights two CrimJ aspects that are continuing problems:

1) "Catch and release" is a consequence of Constitutionality. You have the right to a speedy trial. Any decent defense attorney could easily defeat a half-assed case brought by the state. A defendant only waives their right to the 6th if it is to their advantage, such as when the state has prepared an adequate case and they need time for a defense. As such, charges must be brought (generally) within 72 hours. If charges cannot or will not be brought, you MUST release the prisoner.

2) Communication between departments is historically poor, especially when it comes to Federal and State Police. Officer Chapman-Green, like others before him, had no idea how dangerous the occupant of that vehicle was when he initiated the traffic stop. In 2021, Officer Darrion Jarrott was killed when he pulled over a Federally Wanted Person, despite an active State and Federal arrest team waiting to engage the suspect, Omar Cueva, only a few miles down the same I-10 Interstate where Officer Jarrott's traffic happened to occur. Had information related to the danger of Cueva or the status of the Federal and State arrest team been relayed to Officer Jarrott when he radioed in, surely he would have been ordered to disengage.
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General Discussion / Re: Blue Lives Matter
« on: January 31, 2024, 05:47:40 PM »
I'm glad those officers closed in quick, because whoever was in that white car sure looked like they wanted to run the guy over which would have been bad for the profession.

I don't know why the suspect ran into the officer with the dash cams car.  :rofl:
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Legal and Activism / Re: Sensitive places lawsuit donations
« on: January 31, 2024, 02:57:43 PM »
Any other platform to submit donations?

Are you concerned about backlash from employers or whatever for donating to something like this? I used a "gift card" and "burner" information to make the donation if that's why you're asking.
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Legal and Activism / Re: Sensitive places lawsuit donations
« on: January 31, 2024, 02:47:40 PM »
Donated.

Even though apparently I'm "not on the same team" as everyone else here.

Let the conspiracy theories, as to my "true purpose" for being on the forums, begin!

"Only a piece of Sith deals in absolutes"* -Obiwan Kenobi

*May or may not be verbatim
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A "difference of opinion" is a wide spectrum. A difference of opinion does not mean diametrically opposed.

I think, if we're on this forum and are posting in good faith, we are all on the "same team" even if we have a difference of opinion.  :shaka:

Disclosure: I have several Taran Tactical products, but this is not a paid endorsement for TT :rofl:
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General Discussion / Re: Here's the "assault weapon" bill
« on: January 30, 2024, 04:31:53 PM »
Stack bot

You are creating a false dichotomy. There are plenty of options between our current practice of letting ‘em all out vs torture chambers and reinstatement of the death penalty. I’m curious if you just don’t get what’s going on with our institutional failure or are you intentionally trying to muddy the waters.

Calling someone a "bot" is an incredibly unsophisticated, low IQ insult.

Ironic you're saying I created a false dichotomy on a forum where anyone who doesn't wholly agree with the popularist majority is shunned as an outcast. This becomes even more clear when you refer to my posts as "muddying the water", as if I'm trying to keep you from peering into your scrying pool to find comfort in your narrow world view when in reality all I am trying to do is open up intellectual discussions with my academic insights.
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This sets a terrible precedent and quite literally threatens all future elections.

To even have (basically) a two party election system a terrible for a democratic country. If I want to pencil in "Mits Funai" as my POTUS choice, that should be my prerogative.

If I had it my way, I would require that every person pencil in their vote manually, by name. That way, at least people could only cast votes for people they have actually heard of, and not vote based solely on (D) or (R).
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General Discussion / Re: Here's the "assault weapon" bill
« on: January 30, 2024, 03:36:05 PM »

As for execution and life in prison, it absolutely DOES deter people from criminal acts.  It's a proven fact that every single person executed has never committed another crime.   :thumbsup:

Do executions and life sentences deter ALL capital crimes?  Of course not, but there's no way to know whether or not someone decided against murder or rape based on the potential consequences

Nobody said that, so why are you "illustrating" anything?

Well, you're very hard to understand sometimes--it does deter (assuming corpses can be deterred from engaging in further action); but it's impossible to know if anything deters. I have to "illustrate", because when I attempt to bring science into the picture, you never seem to acknowledge it, yet you refer to elements of criminology in some of your posts even if you don't know the technical terms for those things by name. "Hedonic Calculus"; "Social Control Theory" etc. have you tried reading into those things, or have you already made up your mind?

If a couple sentences are "word salad", I don't imagine giving you access to a study posted to an academic journal will be of much value to you. You rejected my thoughts, even told me you don't care what I think (and that you're older than me, for whatever reason), so I think it's best to say that you've made up your mind.
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General Discussion / Re: Here's the "assault weapon" bill
« on: January 30, 2024, 01:55:39 PM »
LOL!  There you go again -- telling me what I feel.  you just can't help it, huh?  I wasn't upset -- it was an attention getter -- which obviously worked.    :geekdanc:  Too bad you were more concerned with the delivery than the message.

Just because a particular thought is different doesn't mean it's better.  Your thoughts are not new.   I have a feeling i've lived through more government administrations than you have.  Your "ideas' have been tried, and this is where it's gotten us.

Your comments about my brother are pure hypothetical nonsense.  First you tell me what my brother might have felt (totally wrong), and now you want to theorize that without family, etc, he would have had a different opinion of incarceration.  You're falling into the same liberal mindset that got us here.  Rather than treat everyone as an individual, you want to pigeonhole criminals based on their circumstances and decide what's best for them as a group.

What do you think would have been a better punishment for my brother?  He was given 6 months to pay less than $400 in restitution and court costs.  When he didn't, he was jailed for contempt of court.   My mother couldn't bail him out on Monday because she got paid on Thursday.  I came home from college for that holiday weekend, and had i not, my mother would have been short the funds to get him out.  She brought the amount he said he owed, but he didn't think about the court costs -- and they wouldn't take a check (would have been ironic in a bounced check case). 

Tell me, what does your sense of fairness and "crime prevention" prescribe for that scenario?

Actually, not only just "hypothetical nonsense", but they're based on science. "Social Control Theory".

Based on what you have said about you, your brother, and mother, suggests that your social bonds and social controls are stronger than in other cases. I'm just trying to illustrate that thinking "harsh jail sentences" are the only thing that prevents people from committing crimes is an extremely outdated method of thinking. Once upon a time, we thought every crime was a crime against "god" and that when people committed crimes they were under the control of "demons". In some lesser developed places in the world, they still have this method of thinking.
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