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General Discussion / Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« on: July 05, 2020, 11:31:44 AM »
Insults ?  :wacko:
My, my, my, touchy aren't we.  :grrr:

    My comment was merely an observation how this thread resembled the others I mentioned.
Maybe seeing how you've only been here 3 months, you have not read the posts I am referring to.
Not the best way to start. :-\

Mines too was an observation of how self-serving such comments are.  If there are previous posts similar posts, of what use is repeating them? (See the previous sentence about it being self-serving). 

Something tells me you don't give a crap about leaving good impressions either, so don't put that on my doorstep.

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General Discussion / Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« on: July 05, 2020, 07:56:44 AM »
Thread sounds like the other buying a gun, ammo, TP, dried food etc ones.
 If your rushing to do it now cuz $hit hit the fan, you weren't prepared in the first place.  ::)
JMHO

And you sound like an a$$ being an a$$ just to be an a$$. If you don't have anything to offer, any ideas or product sources, then kindly go to another thread.

 Maybe you can make one about bitching about a flag that gets taken down in kailua.

JMVHO
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General Discussion / Re: Firearms Market Recovery After Covid
« on: July 03, 2020, 05:36:07 PM »
I'm just trying to get FCU parts for a stripped one I bought last week, for an M18 build.  JD Supply doesn't know when they're getting any.  There's one complete on Ebay for $499, but screw that crap. That was the original price point of a P320 before the govt contract.  I'll wait it out.
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General Discussion / Re: Firearms Market Recovery After Covid
« on: July 03, 2020, 11:48:12 AM »
I think the NIB sales will be dead as soon as current stock is gone, and all that will be left is the used firearms market.

Everything is either back-ordered, or being produced well under the max capacity, or not being produced at all.

So in order for things to get back to full swing and stable prices, we first have to open up the economy, and economy isn't going to open up until the covid problem is resolved either by a vaccine or cure.  In the meantime, the BLM/Hooligans problem will either get worse or be just as bad--on top of that, it's not helping the covid situation at all.

In either case, your firearms are an important commodity right now, and it's likely to keep continue growing in demand.

Let's say things don't get better--the economy doesn't open up, so nothing is getting produced nor imported. What should we do then?  I'm really sorry for the folks trying to procure a firearm.

Near at the horizon, It may get harder to get ammo than it already is.

Keep vigilant.
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General Discussion / Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« on: July 03, 2020, 05:04:51 AM »
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General Discussion / Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« on: July 03, 2020, 04:40:43 AM »
You are missing my point entirely. But that's alright.

From your synopsis:

"...Allows possession of large-capacity magazines that were legally possessed prior to the effective date
of this Act."

Prima facie (face value) interpretation suggests that as long as it's a grandfathered magazine, there's nothing stating nor suggesting that it cannot be lent in the same context as we have previously stated (at a rifle range).

The following statement doesn't seem to hold to the aforementioned assertion, does it? To quote: "...[a magazine] not grandfathered to you by law or willed to you by someone for which it was grandfathered, you're in violation."   Now hang on. There's floating about two concrete definitions of possession--by means of purchase outside of dates to which the law is in effect, and by inheritance.  Somehow possession by lending gets wedged into it.  After all, you can lend a weapon, but not a grandfathered magazine?  The heart of question is the why disparity between that and should not that be resolved before the law is put into effect.

You offered spurious explanation. Let us speak or discuss it fairly. For one thing, drugs are a completely different matter altogether. There are a variety of drugs and their legality is based on certain conditions.  Furthermore, nobody can lend you their marijuana or oxycodone.  I've already stated you can lend a weapon, so let's not contest that any further. 

It's not exactly a new law since there's are nine other states with the same or similar law in effect.  I admit I am not well versed in any of it, nor are aware of any case laws to which we can discuss the subject in earnest. 

But perhaps someone here is, and we can get the air cleared up on the matter. With that said, I don't think you're helping that cause in any way--I'm sorry, but you aren't.

I am hoping our legislators understand the implications of this well enough in order to be qualified to be able to legislate it.  I fear that it's a law implemented as a result of irrational fear, to which they will likely do more harm to our society than good.
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General Discussion / Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« on: July 02, 2020, 10:35:46 PM »
Case-by-case hypothetical situations are not covered in laws.  The term "possession" is among the prohibitions for >10rd mags.  If you hand someone a 30rd mag for your AR at the range, he/she is in possession of it, are they not?

If we are talking the bullseye range, you're limited to 5 rds per mag anyway.  Why take the chance?

You might be conflating possession with ownership.

The law will prohibit ownership of all high-cap magazines purchased when the law is active.  Any grandfathered mags should not change legal status if they don't change hands--unless they change hands in a commercial exchange sense (one sells it to another person, which would clearly be illegal).  There are gray areas that need to be resolved before this law should even be signed. Let me illustrate:

Possession and ownership are two different things, right?  Because while they (a friend or anyone you authorize) may possess that magazine, they certainly do not own it; otherwise, by that logic, they possess (own) that firearm as well.  It's the same sense as lending your car to someone: they need to be legally capable of operating that car. With that said, the rules governing a legal (grandfathered) magazine should be commensurate with the rules governing a legal firearm. After all, they are one required the other. People treat them as different things, but that's another discussion.

No case-by-case? That is stupid. It's stupid to think that there are cut-and-dry situations when this is clearly a nuanced topic.

Again, if I am to follow this law, it must be at the very least a law that you can follow easily. People ARE going to say shit like "I didn't know that" and rightfully so, since it's hard to make Po'o to Okole with laws with gray areas.  One thing we know for sure that is black and white is this: your okole is going to OCCC even if you didn't know you were breaking a law.

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General Discussion / Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« on: July 02, 2020, 09:14:13 PM »
Prohibits possession ...

So, you can loan someone your long gun, just not the 30rd mags you bought pre-ban.   :crazy:

The context was the range--say we're at Kokohead popping off some rounds.  Edit: Also, I'm not keen on lending any firearm to anyone.
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General Discussion / Re: Contact YOUR State Legislators, please!
« on: July 02, 2020, 07:48:41 PM »

Is anyone running against him?  This backstabber needs to be fired.

I don't think so. He's a career politician like Souki, part of the old guard.  I neither trust nor like political dynasties. That's right; I don't like Tulsi either. She's a grabber.
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General Discussion / Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« on: July 02, 2020, 07:42:10 PM »
...But you cannot let someone else use them. So if u take a friend shooting, they will need a blocked mag....

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Ummm. What? That needs clarifying big time.  So you can let a friend shoot the firearm, but it cannot be with that quote on quote highcap mag?  All of sudden we're both criminals because of that?  The legislators better know how fucking ridiculous this sounds before they vote on it. I'm going to resend my email with that added, and I suggest everyone do the same.
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General Discussion / Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« on: July 02, 2020, 04:19:38 PM »
I don't believe using them is prohibited, provided they were grandfathered in.

If use is prohibited, even if grandfathered, then what's the point of having them after the law is enacted? Fancy paperweight?
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General Discussion / Re: Contact YOUR State Legislators, please!
« on: July 02, 2020, 12:57:13 PM »
Done. Only Mike Gabbard responded, thanking me for the message--after maybe several straight submissions.
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General Discussion / Re: Honolulu PD permit/reg. by appointment only
« on: July 02, 2020, 11:06:25 AM »
I don’t need or want him to care.  I want him to act like any other politician when pressure is applied.  I mean to rock the boat a bit by emailing and calling him.  HiFiCo settled with their lawsuit but Inguarantee you they’ll drag their feet unless we make our voices heard.

Yeah, he'll act through pressure--just not pressure from us. The problem is he'll get catch more crap from his real constituents than us, the 2A people. 

I think you already know this.
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General Discussion / Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« on: July 02, 2020, 10:43:32 AM »
Anyone with a twitter account want to ask Rhoads why he is working on anti-gun bills all the while tweeting about how bad of shape the US is in because of trump and covid?

https://twitter.com/KarlRhoads1/

Seems to me he is part of the problem and not doing anything for a solution

I just read a few of his twitter posts. He's full blast libtard, isn't he?
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General Discussion / Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« on: July 01, 2020, 05:41:01 AM »
Colorado went down today...

https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/next/colorados-ban-on-large-capacity-gun-magazines-found-constitutional/73-5e3fd331-e275-4773-8285-85ac96f1603c

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Hawaii legislature's still going to push it through. But at least our side can bolster their argument using Colorado's example.
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It's a gray area. 

The process was to register the weapons within 5 days of purchase or acquisition--you can't do that with appointment only nonsense, and with available appointment dates stretching far out.

There isn't really an official say on the matter (none officially posted) and all we have is what people are experiencing.  If they wanted to they can change it to be serious about the within 5 days and say boohoo for you.  Maybe the FFL will hold it for you, at a price, or maybe not.

Good luck anyways getting a firearm right now, with all the price markups. 
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General Discussion / Re: Honolulu PD permit/reg. by appointment only
« on: June 30, 2020, 02:00:03 PM »
🧐🤔 How many think it’s time to contact the Mayor and let him know this can’t continue?

He's not going to care.  This helps delay things by a lot. There's a huge firearm demand right now, and the Blues don't want people to have them in the first place. They settle with slowing it down--in this case, dramatically.
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General Discussion / Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« on: June 30, 2020, 01:17:55 PM »
Here we go.
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General Discussion / Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« on: June 28, 2020, 02:52:15 PM »
..Try to get a government job if your last name
is Johnston rather than Chin or Kim or Matsuda.
That is why Hawaii fails it's true potential.
It is still a tribal society...

You touched on one thing nobody likes talking about.  Yeah, the Inouye old boy club still has a lot of sway here, but not as much as sway now that Joe Souki is out from politics. The ones in power now are the ones who ousted Souki.  Honestly, I rather would have had them keep power than the ones who hold the reigns now. They the same ones letting people burn the past down.

I strayed off-topic.  Mixing pot my ass, right?

We going to get some mixing because people going oof with each other and make babies. But the tribes going to be still out there, and they don't like outsiders.
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General Discussion / Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« on: June 28, 2020, 12:43:07 PM »
I wish it were that simple. There's not a strong demand for tech jobs or jobs that have a need for higher education. I think the bulk of jobs here in Hawaii are vocational. Tourism and construction with a sprinkling of defense - account for the economy.
People with good leadership skills are most likely found leading successful businesses.

Simple.  That's our problem. We always trying to find simple solutions for big problems. Simple flew off the island a few months back and won't be returning. 

We're going to need people to start things up. We've lost a lot of business all over the nation. In Hawaii, I noticed a lot of emptied out shops in downtown. Hell, the shop that I got my first bike from when I was 7 closed down during this--Eki Cycling. I thought that place was going to be there forever. It's gone.

A lot more are going to disappear before this is over and we need people willing to pick things back up again.
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