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KGS. Daniel’s prices have been normal, if not less than other places. His Ammo is also taken in on consignment like other shops so you can’t blame him for that.
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For over 50 years, the definition of a receiver, according to the ATF, is:

An AR-15 upper receiver houses the bolt (BCG), and it has the threads into which a barrel & barrel nut are installed.

The lower receiver houses the firing mechanism, including the hammer.

Neither half of the receiver houses enough of the components to qualify it as a "receiver".

I think much of the issue is they wrote it with "and" rather than "or," which makes the combination of different parts necessary to qualify.  Had they used "or", then both halves would likely be labeled receivers.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-ammunition-gun-control-act-definitions

Ah, that’s what happens when I read Wikipedia instead of an actual document.

In firearms terminology, the firearm frame or receiver is the part of a firearm which integrates other components by providing housing for internal action components such as the hammer, bolt or breechblock, firing pin and extractor, and has threaded interfaces for externally attaching ("receiving") components such as the barrel, stock, trigger mechanism and iron/optical sights.[1]

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There's still an open question about an AR-15 receiver set and if the lower even qualifies as a "receiver".  A man in CA had the charges of making "ghost guns" dropped because the defense argued the lower receiver alone -- the only part by ATF regulation requiring a serial number -- is not an actual receiver.  Can't be convicted of making something that doesn't fit the ATF description of an illegal item.  I believe the case was dropped rather than going to final verdict due to the can of worms it was bound to open.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/10/12/a-california-man-sold-illegal-ar-15s-feds-agreed-to-let-him-go-free-to-avoid-hurting-gun-control-efforts/

All these years, the AR-15, one of the few firearms with a split receiver, has had its lower receiver incorrectly classified.  Since the upper and lower receivers are not the same part, trying to control them as firearms would require a DIFFERENT serial number on both parts.  So, for every AR-15 transferred in the US, it would look as if one were buying two firearms.  That flies in the face of any measure of logic, since an assembled AR-15 is only a single firearm, not two.

 :crazy:

I’m really confused now. So basically, the lower of an AR-15 is one receiver and should be serialized because it houses the hammer, and an upper is another receiver because it houses the bolt, firing pin, and extractor??
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The thing also targets 3D printed gun parts as well as any other part that can be manufactured.

There's still an open question about an AR-15 receiver set and if the lower even qualifies as a "receiver".  A man in CA had the charges of making "ghost guns" dropped because the defense argued the lower receiver alone -- the only part by ATF regulation requiring a serial number -- is not an actual receiver.  Can't be convicted of making something that doesn't fit the ATF description of an illegal item.  I believe the case was dropped rather than going to final verdict due to the can of worms it was bound to open.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/10/12/a-california-man-sold-illegal-ar-15s-feds-agreed-to-let-him-go-free-to-avoid-hurting-gun-control-efforts/

All these years, the AR-15, one of the few firearms with a split receiver, has had its lower receiver incorrectly classified.  Since the upper and lower receivers are not the same part, trying to control them as firearms would require a DIFFERENT serial number on both parts.  So, for every AR-15 transferred in the US, it would look as if one were buying two firearms.  That flies in the face of any measure of logic, since an assembled AR-15 is only a single firearm, not two.

 :crazy:

Yeah, I got stuck on 80% lowers and frames cause those are the most talked about. I’m too scatterbrained to talk about the thing as a whole. Lol.



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All they had to do was say any partially compete component that would normally have a serial if it was in its complete form and sold is a firearm. If their whole goal was banning 80%s

They most likely want to ban everything except for double barrel shotguns.
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Uppers fall into the new definition as they house the BCG, firing pin, bolt and "breechblock"

Pistol slides as they house the striker, barrel/breech, mechanism which initiates, continues or completes the firing sequence.

Proposed New Definition of Firearm “Frame or Receiver”
Under the proposed rule, a “frame or receiver” is any externally visible housing or holding structure for one or more fire control components. A “fire control component” is one necessary for the firearm to initiate, complete, or continue the firing sequence, including, but not limited to, any of the following: hammer, bolt, bolt carrier, breechblock, cylinder, trigger mechanism, firing pin, striker, or slide rails.

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Yeah, I did read that part, too. I was just associating that section with the previous one, where they mentioned parts being identified with serial numbers, then based my response off of that.

After rereading what I wrote, I worded my response wrong. What I was meaning to say is, I got the impression that they’re just going after 80% lowers right now, and rifle uppers aren’t their main concern at the moment......mainly pistol slides and barrels because they’re already marked with a serial number and fall into the section I quoted earlier.

No matter though, when you read the whole proposal, almost every component falls into one of these categories.
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Not to be argumentative, but the way I read it, uppers don’t fall into this proposal. I’ve learned that you gotta read in between the lines when it comes to laws and this is how I see it:

“Any firearm part falling within the new definition that is (already) identified with a serial number must be presumed, absent an official determination by ATF (even though we have determined that an 80% receiver is not considered a firearm part) or other reliable evidence to the contrary, to be a frame or receiver.”

Upper receivers don’t have serial numbers previous to this proposal. I feel that the way it’s stated is saying that any part that is previously and usually identified by a serial number when manufactured, must have one if this proposal passes even if it’s sold or manufactured without one (80%).

I hope I’m not wrong, but I could be. Just my two cents.
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Political Discussion / Re: The COVID Cult
« on: April 03, 2021, 06:53:35 AM »
Happy Easter folks!

On Maui, the "Kings Cathedral Church"  was blamed for a covid outbreak.
I do some work with those people, so I emailed them and asked if anybody got the virus really bad.
My contact there just laughed and said NO.
One person got sick so they tested everybody and got back a bunch of positive-asymptomatic results.

DOH recommended NO church services but they basically declined to cooperate with the DOH.

Damn, that’s the best thing I’ve heard all morning. Hahahaha.

Still, I have yet to understand how someone can be sick without being sick. I can understand being an asymptomatic carrier when it comes to diseases, but not sickness. That just makes no sense to me whatsoever.
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Political Discussion / Re: Election Fraud Evidence Thread
« on: April 02, 2021, 05:33:07 PM »
I remember when I had to take off of work for a couple hours, walk into a polling station, show my government issued ID, then vote. Nobody has ever offered me water. Nobody made things easier. I didn’t cry that I had to drive all the way back to Kailua then back to the job site, losing pay. Fucking people nowadays think the world owes them something. “Waaahhhhhhh, you owe me because I’m doing that for you. I cannot believe people are crying about water! Dude, plan ahead and bring your own.

I literally scribbled a line as my signature and dropped it in a box in Waipahu this last year. Nobody contacted me to check if I was the one who signed it. All that tells me is that they wanted it that way so they could fabricate votes because they knew they’d lose fair and square.
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Political Discussion / Re: The COVID Cult
« on: March 28, 2021, 09:24:40 AM »
While I am no fan of Russia and Putin, I must say Biden’s comments are quite provocative. All I can say is he better back up his words with some real action and he better do it quickly. He better make a very strong and strategic move in the same vein that Trump did with Russia. Not like what Obama did with Russia. Otherwise we are going to look weak to all of our enemies. And that is worse than just looking bad. What I fear most is that Biden’s comments were made due to his diminished mental faculties. And his decisions along with his actions, if any, could also occur due to his diminished mental faculties. And they could be disastrous for us as a country and could hurt us and possibly our allies badly. He could also start something that we not be able to recover from. So let’s see where this goes. I just hope it doesn’t end badly.

I feel like he’s trying to take a page out of Trump’s book by saying things like that. The big difference is, Trump will back up his words with action, our current admin probably thinks they can win their hearts and minds like Obumma.
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Political Discussion / Re: The COVID Cult
« on: March 27, 2021, 11:02:59 PM »
Its been a year, did all thr maskless and gathering in large party people survive covid?

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Not gonna lie, all the people I know who have been doing things like it doesn’t exist didn’t get it.
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Political Discussion / Re: The COVID Cult
« on: March 27, 2021, 11:00:36 PM »
I have taken several OSHA training classes. And I am certified. I am also trained and certified to use my respirator. The information you provided here is correct. All the data about masks (Less than an N95) not working for protection from a virus is well known and documented many years prior to this virus. Of course it was ignored and lied about by the main stream media. So all the ignorant people who listen to the main stream media and our government officials are all running around wearing masks that have already been proven not to provide the protection they think they do.

Same here. I’m in the construction industry and I personally won’t wear anything less than P100 when working with silica dust and I’m 100% sure it has larger (molecules?) than a virus. I guess what I’m getting to is that, “they,” allow us to wear basically anything to cover our nose and mouth, claiming it’s preventing transmission. Anyone with a fucking brain knows that’s not how it works.

I’ve worn a neck gaiter throughout this entire thing. I can wear my gaiter over my eyes and see fine......that ain’t stopping shit. This is beside the point but, I’ve had close contact with a coworker who tested positive and I didn’t get it; no mask, no social distancing, nothing.

I recently had a conversation with someone about how the flu just magically disappeared now that covid is around and his response was that the masks are stopping it. I asked him, “so a mask can stop the flu but not covid? They’re both viruses.......” Crickets after that.

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And yet here I am getting suspended for calling lefties, “pussies,” and, “retards.”
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Political Discussion / Re: The COVID Cult
« on: March 20, 2021, 10:25:56 PM »
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Political Discussion / Re: The COVID Cult
« on: March 20, 2021, 10:23:08 PM »
where did they get the picture of OG?

Looks like I’ve inadvertently dragged myself into this battle, oh well, just for laughs............

If you’ve seen one lib, you’ve seen em all. Lol.
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Political Discussion / Re: The COVID Cult
« on: March 20, 2021, 09:57:36 PM »
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