Thank you 🙏 yes looking for a combo class

How about traveling on a plane like how people do ammo?

That's BS.   They are violating the law ... which you posted.

Their rationalization doesn't hold water.   There is nothing in the law that prohibits having parts that "could be combined" into an illegal firearm.  I believe that's called Constructive Possession -- possessing the parts and having them in close proximity so as to be able to construct an illegal firearm.  This usually applies to parts like full auto sears.

Any rifle LOWER with a legal UPPER can be "easily changed" with an illegal UPPER whether the lower is a rifle or pistol.  The upper has nothing to do with the function of the firearm until you actually fit them together.

I'd ask for that information in writing from HPD.  Getting the information secondhand from a LGS could be problematic.  Did you not learn already that even gun dealers get it wrong? (refer to your previous LGS who required your rifle permit for the transfer)

Oh yes, I definitely learned that from my previous LGS.

& I agree with what you said. You can’t stop a person from doing something because he/she MIGHT do something illegal later on.

What stops a person from doing something illegal? The law and the persons choice to follow it.

It’s just how I see it. Others may see it differently 🤷🏾‍♂️

Part of the "Gun Hobby" is knowing the ins and outs of what's legal, what's not, how to follow the local and federal processes for buying guns, etc.

If you don't feel like you're 100% certain of the things you need to do, my advice is "STOP!" before you do something that gets you in real legal trouble.

If you can't wade through the minutia and details of the laws, HPD procedures, and your responsibilities on your own (it almost takes a room full of lawyers to figure some of the laws out), I'd suggest you get the scoop from someone who knows.  Sometimes following the experiences and advice from an online forum isn't the best source of information, especially since things have changed so much the last 3 years.

I get that you want to "push the envelope" of what most people are doing, but, just like flying a jet, you have to first learn what that envelope is and THEN build on that knowledge to go beyond the norm.

It's sort of assumed that if you are building an AR (pistol or rifle), you either have experience or a good mentor.  If you're learning by watching YT videos, posting narrow questions on forums, and hoping someone will hold your hand through the legal parts, you're asking for something very bad to go wrong.

Maybe take this screw-up as a sign.  Build yourself an AR-15 rifle from this receiver.  It still has a bunch of requirements that must be met to be legal, but in the process of learning those things, you'll better understand the pistol transfer, build and registration process.  I don't recall seeing if you've ever built an AR rifle before.   If so, you might be further along in your quest than I thought.

Basically, learn to walk first, then run.  Each project should be seen as an opportunity to learn, and in this state, you need to tackle the easy stuff first.

Just my opinion.  But after doing my own builds, it's better to start with the straight-forward stuff and work your way up to the advanced builds.

Given the fact you took your pistol affidavit to your FFL, I think you need to spend more time on the fundamentals, such as our state laws, procedures and requirements.

 

True. There’s always room for learning. My mistake for relying on the LGS so much.

Taking this as a learning experience. As dissatisfying as it is, it’s still an experience nonetheless.

I actually always bring all my paperwork with me just incase I find something else.

#1 - Educate yourself.  It's been explicitly stated on these forums that you need to apply for a pistol permit BEFORE accepting delivery of the receiver from your FFL.  Using a rifle permit technically makes the receiver a rifle, which can never be changed in the system AFAIK.  If you obeyed the FFL even though you knew it wasn't what you wanted, then you share in the blame for the mistake.  You should have insisted they provide the info on the receiver (Bill of Sale is usually given), then go to HPD and apply for a pistol Permit to Acquire.

#2 - Explain to the FFL that they should know the laws and procedures at least as well, if not more so, than you -- since you are the customer and they are the paid professional.  If the FFL makes a mistake after understanding you intended to build a pistol, then they screwed up and should fix it. 

IMO, the easiest solution would be for them to "buy" the first receiver back from you (do a transfer from you to the FFL), then reorder the item again, this time transferring it properly as a pistol.  Of course, you need to wait until the receiver arrives so you can get the specifics on it for the Pistol Permit to Acquire application.  Wait two weeks, and go get the receiver.  You should not be asked to pay another cent for the second receiver if it's all their fault.  In fact, if the FFL has any integrity, they should offer you something for your inconvenience -- like waiving their FFL fee.  Again, my opinion.

#3 - If the FFL doesn't make it right, you have the option to sell that receiver and order a new one from a different FFL -- this time making sure both of you agree on the process before it arrives on-island.

#4 - if you think one person's/LGS's FFL fees are "too high" (relative to what/whose?), then you should shop around for another one.  Many threads on here listing FFLs and their cost to do transfers.

Yes, I do take blame on my part for not pushing the issue.

I also take blame on not knowing more of the process. I first showed him my affidavit (it’s been awhile & I forget the process for pistols). Then he asked for my long gun permit. After reminding him of my intentions. He then said I can’t but I can and that I’d need to get ahold of a gunsmith. At that point I could tell he didn’t want any of my business and wasn’t going to help me resolve the issue.

I don’t mind supporting LGS as long as their straight up with me. I just might have to find a new LGS who is more knowledgeable about the laws & is willing to help.

Talked to local gun store regarding ordering a lower and registering as a pistol frame. Was assured that this would be ok & that they have done this before.

Ordered at stripped lower from manufacture and used them as my FFL.

Shipment comes in and I get a call to come in.

Shop insist that I use my rifle permit and that I can only register it as a rifle receiver.

So I feel that the shop just took me for my FFL fees and now I’m stuck with something I didn’t want.

What can I do from here?

Stupid question…

Under doctors care? What does that mean? I only go to the doctor when I’m sick. Or got gout. 🤪

Am I still under his care when I’m not sick?

Few weeks ago while I was at the range.

I got my bolt stuck 🤦🏾‍♂️ I was learning how to bore sight my MPX. 

Lucky RSO was there to help me with some tools. Uncle scolded me for not bringing a rag lol.

Which made me think that I should have a tool kit for the range.

I don’t know what to buy? Any suggestions?

Is there AAA but for the range 🤣?

I’ve called a few shops in the Tucson area. I didn’t get a straight YES on my inquiries.

Some shops said I HAD to be a AZ Resident or a resident of a bordering state. Even though I have a CCW through AZ. Another said I can purchase but it just needs to be sent through FFL.

Anyone has had experience buying in AZ?

Did they SHOW you where it says so in HRS-134 that it has to be welded?

Yes I know it's all semantics as who wants to be the test case? BUT, if they can't show you HOW it's to be fixed, it's up to you. Remember that the engine in your car is REMOVABLE but not DETACHABLE. There is a huge legal distinction which is why states like CA have their laws written with clear cut definitions.

No. They just said it had to be welded and permanent. Don’t have the cash flow to be that test case lol I’d have to sell my guns to pay for a lawyer 🤣

I don’t mind following the rules as long as the rules were clear.