Mauidog, there's an arguable amount of liability in anything we do because of the way our civil court system works. Let me try and take the 2A part out of what I was trying to get across earlier. You ask to borrow my chainsaw to cut your tree that's going into neighbor's yard. I let you borrow it and the tree you cut falls on your neighbor's house. Or, with the same scenario, I don't let you borrow it, your neighbor gets mad at you for not taking care of your tree, punches you in the face. Seems to me I'm more responsible if I give you the ability to do what goes wrong, than not give you the ability and that leads to a third party doing something wrong to you. But what do I know, I got sued by my ex and lost for taking the exact amount of money I put into a joint bank account when we ended our relationship. I think personal responsibility is dwindling in general in part because civil courts make it easy to blame someone else for what happened. Thanks for the thought provoking conversation dog. You ever come to the big island, drop me a line for beers and talk story about guns.

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On topic, I think all active shooter presentations are run, if you can't run then hide, if you can't hide then fight. They'll suggest how you should run, don't use the elevator, try not to run in a straight line or in a narrow space, things you can use to hide, use to barricade your position. They don't really tell you how to fight, except maybe grab whatever you can to use as a weapon.