So Gang, A quick update!  I just wanted to let you know that I went through the process. Got a legitimate doctors notice stating that I am legal and no issues.   Took the documents down to HPD,  they made a copy and that seems to be it.  I hopefully can pick up my permit next week.

It wasn't too bad, but I would say I was lucky.  It was an extra pain in the you know what, but I guess under the circumstances, they are trying to at least "Checking/Vetting" 


So to confirm,  IF YOU HAVE KAISER MEDICAL.  They will indeed respond to the HPD letter, stating "POSITIVE" history if you have EVER seen behavioral health for anything.  Kaiser's stance is to NOT make an assessment and will not issue a medical clearance letter.  You will need to obtain a medical clearance letter from another outside doctor not related to Kaiser.

from my understanding all other medical options provide and respond except Kaiser.


So be aware if you are a new applicant, or redoing your applications.... there WILL be an extra step.........

are these new firearms that you will need to transfer?
bc they can't confiscate firearms that are already legally registered bc you are red flagged for a new permit
new permit is a new permit, and registered firearms are already registered
a red flag does not disqualify you from guns that are already registered, only red flags you for a new permit to acquire
red flag does not warrant confiscation.

They stated it is for all firearms owned, not just for the permit to acquire.  I will have 30 days to provide a waiver or I will need to turn in my weapons or transfer them...

You might want to print the PDF and show them at the window if they actually deny you for Kaiser not providing a mental health assessment.

Also, contact the HRA immediately (info is in the newsletter).  They collected the denial letters and coordinated the resolution with HPD last time.  Maybe there are new people working there since the Chief resigned and officers retired / were terminated?

Well..... This is not good,   Just got a call from HPD, they stated I will "NEED" a medical Clearance letter from my Doctor.  This they stated Kaiser WILL not ISSUE those letters, I will likely need to find another doctor, switch my carrier and then get a doctor, to sign the medical clearance form.


I brought up the HRA newsletter, they stated that, it is 2 years old.   They stated this is when Kaiser & Straub were not responding at all to the requests by HPD


Now that Kaiser is sending the generic letter.  they are stating that the we will NEED a medical clearance letter from a doctor. which Kaiser will not issue....

I will then also need to comply within 30 days to get another doctor, to approve or I will need to transfer all my firearms....... !@#$$%*(*@$$

Another example of HPD interpreting the law.

I have a question about the medical forms. I don't remember filling them out when I moved to Hawaii in 2014. Then last December, I filled out the Kaiser form and didn't have any problems (despite what some of my friends say). I recently read that they were having a problem with Kaiser because HPD didn't want to evaluate the medical records and Kaiser was refusing to say whether or not a patient was psychologically fit to own a firearm. How was this resolved?

Yikes!!! Um crap... Yeah when I did mine in 2006 it was no where near this many medical forms just one.  My buddy that came with that did all his initial registration in 2014 said the same.  So it was surprising seeing 3 medical forms.  I will check back in with you if I get anything in the mail these next 2 weeks, and or when I go to pick up my permit in 2 weeks.

Aloha Gang,  Wow its been a while, I just went through the registration process and wanted to give a quick update.

As of
04/12/2017 - 8:00Am

1) The Permit to Acquire / Renewal is now on the LEFT Side of the Beretania Station only,  NO Firearms just paper work. (The right side old location is for the actual firearm registration only)
2) There are 5 forms to complete - You can pull 3 of them off the HPD website,  2 of them are short Medical Forms that you can grab from the line. And there is a Kaiser/Straub Medical form at the window you need to complete as well.  When you pull the forms off the website, do NOT DATE THEM, date it the day you walk in!
3) It is indeed $42 dollars, cash or CREDIT CARD, FINALLY!!! You dont need exact change no more, no need to bug the snack shop.
4) If you are renewing, Make sure you bring your old documents, "Original registration forms"  It helps.
5) Long gun Renewal was FAST,  went in @ 7:45am, and left about 8:15am.  Finger printing is quick now no mess, its digital.


Now just the 2 week waiting Game.


OK Part 2



I NEED Help and clarification if anyone can answer.  So I went back up to the window to ask about a handgun registration.  I stated did they need my orginal Handgun Affidavit or did they need just a copy. they stated that they just need the original to see and make a copy of.  I said ok, I showed him my affidavits and he stated they are not good anymore because I am not in the Military.  It is only good while I was in the military.  Is this correct?  Secondly he stated I needed to go through a class again, to get a valid safety course certificate/affidavit. 

I was stunned!??!?!?  So my question is,  Does the Handgun Safety Course certificates expire?  Are they only good for a certain period?  Why would my Affidavits not be good either, especially if I already have handguns registered and showed a legal document of completion of an approved safety course?   Again if the certificate expire after a certain time I can understand? But he didnt state that, he just said it was not good, When I go back to get my long gun I will ask again.

Any prior military that had a military affidavit get out (Discharge)  and try to get another handgun and get rejected and needed to take another safety course class? Im so confused now it doesnt make sense?

Some Personal feelings and situations.....one of the basic forms of martial arts that ive personally found effective and relative has been Aikido.

I have had the opportunity to "experience" a bunch of different martial arts and one that still "applies" in practical use has been Aikido.

1) The boring repetition forces your body to muscle memory! (Just like Fire Arms Training)
2) Akido's basic philosophy is to avoid and evade confrontation,  (Compared to "What bu I train brah, I going likk you"........)
3) the rolling out of falls has still been applicable in daily living, I trip and I roll out of the fall.....
4) The active disarming and using ones own center of gravity against another is a core of many martial arts.

Now this is just what Ive grown and used personally.  Having a "MMA, Mixed Martial Arts" back ground I think would be the best but I found, that the basics of Akido I have still been able to use today.  Karate was too formal, taught me discipline but I dont think I would use any of them in a real fight.  Judo was fun as Hell, but I dont plan to get that close to someone to try and throw them......dont feel comfortable getting that close I would rather avoid and get away. 

Again, it really depends but even in some of our "Military & Contractor" instruction, they used locks and parries that are similar in Aikido and Judo. So someone finds it effective? =)

anyone Just some thoughts on a specific Marital arts that I would have loved to start off with as a kid instead of learning it on later in life LOL!

-Exactice-

Sorry but Im going to Necro this post as it sounds interesting,

Its kind of interesting as lately the better half and I have been watching "Top Shot" and shes  been getting all excited and we have been practicing with the Airsofts in the house and Im going to take her to the pistol range soon, she enjoyed the rifle range but didnt have time to go next door LOL, anyways

Defensive Handgun Practice is a relative statement and situation dictated. One of things that I was surprised was the fact that no one really mention "Natural Point of Aim" This is one of the heaviest techniques that I personally train on and the students that I have taught I try to encourage a lot.  Now my statement is purely on my personal belief so try not to flame me to much =)  and if someone did mention it sorry I tried to read as much as I could.....

As a stated "Natural Point of Aim" of course is your body alignment with your weapon down range without initially looking down the sights..  I stress this technique and really try to improve this because under a "Defensive" situation you will "react" and not necessarily have to time nor the opportunity to sit back and aim, but if your body reacts immediately and puts you down range properly you can shoot faster and more accurately. Thus applying your fundamentals with less wasted effort.

As stated above most dangerous situations happen within 10 meters thats 30ft.  The norm that Ive been trained and seen is a person with a knife can clear a 25-30ft space in less time than a person can draw their weapon.  Thus forcing the individual to fire from the hip or even fire blindly without aiming down the sight.

As crazy as it sounds the 2 typical tools outside of the range are a bore sight laser to see where you are aiming from the hip and or arms extended. The other tool is Airsofts again in a norm training environment (Home, Garage......not the range)  Ive been showing my better half that your natural punch out is quick and can be extremely effective if you know where shots are going, you do not have to look down the sights but look over the slide and search for impacts @ 15m or less.  50m I hope your aiming =) Your natural point of aim can actually be just as accurate and immensely quicker!  Again this applies to the danger zone of 15m or less and for Defensive situations that dictate, but NPA can apply to many situations and even improve your accuracy by far under non stressful situations too!

Again just my $0.02

-Exactice-

Do the rifle targets have to be an upright target that fits into the polls?  Or can it be an independent grount resting target?

Ive seen guys set up their own steel Targets....those are the black powder guys though.......I think in reality the holes are just to give you alignment where you need to shoot, but if you have a free standing target Im sure you could just set it up in the lane your shooting in?

Its been rough, I used to be one of the early guys too......to my dismay......7:30 isnt early.......The last time I went about 2 months ago, I was talking to the range guy said a guy was waiting @ one of the stalls by 5:30 with his newspaper and McDonalds Coffee.....dude the range doesnt open for another 2 and 1/2 hours WTF?.........

Anyways.......7:00 on the average to get a stall  7:30 to get on the list and usually be on a stall after the first line call reset?  Other than that I hear guys going in the later afternoon or lunch when less people come.....but you know as well as I....it gets hot out there at that time.......

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Now that's an interesting technique.  I'm gonna try that. Thank you, Exactice808.
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NP! I hope that it helps a little, yes its not like squeezing a real trigger but it does help and give you instant feedback. Its better than taking your gun to class and the office and dry firing HAHAHA! 

Thank you guys too, this site is wonderful and if I can do my best to try and help I will, got some little tricks in my back pocket that I would love to share!