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Firearms and Accessories / Re: 10/22 show off
« on: October 15, 2014, 07:58:38 AM »
some peeps going
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That's the problem right there:
Isn't that the purpose of laws and law enforcement, to actually deter crime?
So, the real problem isn't that the suspect tried to hit the Cop with a car. The real problem was that he was already a criminal (car thief), and he escalated to attempted murder to avoid getting caught (or he was just too stupid to think more than 3 seconds ahead).
If the suspect steals a car, is the answer to shoot him on sight, even IF he doesn't try to kill a Cop? Sounds like nothing else is working to prevent crime. Had he never stolen the car, the Cops would have been safe. Is that not logical?
There has always been and will always be crime. Sometimes it's justifiable (stealing to feed the family) and others it isn't (stealing to feed a habit). Justice is supposed to fit the crime. That's why we have judges and jurors. Someone needs to weigh the evidence and decide on punishment accordingly.
If a Cop feels his life is in danger, AND there are no other alternatives short of taking a life, then he is justified shooting the suspect. Deadly force should be the last resort. Until the suspect escalates to use of deadly force, serious bodily injury, or threatens to use those, nonlethal alternatives should be employed.
If trying to kill or injure a CIVILIAN carried 3 x the standard sentence of the normal sentence (special circumstances), then maybe people would be less likely to try it.
And people who try to hit police with a car, either while the Cops are in their cars or on foot, should be punished and given the max sentence. If trying to kill or injure a Cop carried 3 x the standard sentence of the normal sentence (special circumstances), then maybe people would be less likely to try it.
If we adopt your thinking, Cops need to shoot BEFORE they get hurt. So, now all suspects in a car are fair game?
Punish the few who actually use their cars as weapons. I empathize with the police if they get hurt on the job, but such is the nature of police work. You can't let fear dictate the laws/rules of engagement.
We can't give Cops a free pass to shoot everyone to keep themselves safe. In these cases you linked to, the suspects tried to use their cars as weapons. Up to that point, they had not done anything that warranted dying over. Car theft and running from police are not capital offenses, in case you forgot.
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20140918_Police_release_case_against_man_who_allegedly_tried_to_run_over_officers.html?id=275708641
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20140921_Accident_in_Punchbowl_area_involved_police_car.html?id=275932381
http://www.kitv.com/news/officer-injured-in-honolulu-hitandrun-crash/28177418