I said it before and I will say it again, Logan is purposely slow rolling this as he did with the chiefs rules. My predictions as follows:

Anyone who applies for a CCW in Honolulu county as of last week is wasting their time because the state and legislature controls implementation of CCW requirements and those new requirements will become law in May/June of 2023. The anti CCW bills have made it through all the committees and will become law. This will likely require new chief rules on Oahu and other counties will follow new state ccw requirements.

People with existing ccw permits will be voided (maybe ex post facto issue) or approved permits will be kept to a minimum, which is why they are slow rolling the process. Most people processing now will get a letter in June saying new laws please comply and apply in future

Kokohead will reopen after legislature moves for final votes to avoid  large opposition to ccw restrictions.

To do: 92F request for Chiefs calendars and meetings and any agenda items, as well as emails related to CCW discussions with subordinates, Mayors, Legislators. Then 92F regarding timing and closure of kokohead. This was all a plan in place for years in the even sup ct dud this.

Sit back and relax, CCW is dead in Hawaii for the next few years as the lawsuits make its way through fed dist ct, 9th circuit panel, 9th circuit en banc and then supreme court. I am not sure California lawsuits will help Hawaii given the sup ct ruling and historical basis analysis. Most stayes have different histories and that maybe a factual distinction sufficient to make a Hawaii or anybstate for thatvmatter analysis unique.

I don't think this is true. Do you have a reference? Federal law enforcement officers may not CCW when not on official duty, but they certainly have arrest powers. People think that sheriffs cannot pull you over if you're on C&C property, but this is a myth. I'm thinking you're confusing LEOSA with something else?

Sheriffs, DLNR, and AG Agents have state wide police power they do not need peace officer status. Local PDs can generally go to outter islands armed if on official duty and cleared by island Chief or to assist. This used to be whenntheybattended meetings or did recruitment trips, but most recently you seen this with HPD on Mauna Kea. The local prosecutors offices also general have the ability to deputize federal law enforcement officers to work with prosecution investigators. This is not too common. Other than that, Feds are not afforded peace officer status in Hawaii (couple kooky provisions allow CBP very limited peace officer status under very specific circumstances) Feds can carry pretty much anywhere except state and fed courts. Fed agencies generally have agents register their personal weapons (usually pistols) as agency weapons so even personal weapons are considered service weapons when shtf and they smoke someone. Feds have no peace officer authority to enforce HRS, but generally can intervene if they observe a felony. But they cant be blue lighting people up for speeding and stuff like in the mainland. Probably pull up 20 articles on peace officer status in Hawaii if you search.

Basically the same setup the US Secret Service has on 3 of the armored Suburbans in Presidential Mortorcade.

Everyone is being trolled. This lead and environmental damage argument will be used to put an end to private outdoor ranges in the name of safety. Only the Feds, State and County will have enough money for lead remediation. Also, HPD does have access to an indoor range, so they will not.lose any training time.

Want to get the state and city's attention. Start reserving party sites at Ala Moana Park and run shooting drills (with no guns or alcohol of course). 200 people willing to take over spots at the park running drills using finger and going "pew pew" wil get some attention.all these closures of the range are to fragment gun enthusiestsnamd prevent them from meeting and communicating in person.

On the way to the event take photos of every hazardous condition the state and city are neglecting and submit that to your legislators.

Ok, lets talk about Type 2 Holsters....break!

The antis are crying about lead poisoning of employees, which is unlikely the result of their normal RSO duties and instead attributed to the scrounging of lead from berms and the boiling of lead and casting of bullets that happens regularly at the range. But the whacko residents who purchased property knowing full well it was within ear shot of a gun range will bitch about everything. But yah, lets go fund another dog park in Hawaii Kai.

The city follows up pretty regularly with my submissions. I have not been blocked yet. The App allows you to add photos of the issue you are reporting. The only feel good thing the city is doing is makijg people feel like they have a voice with  the fake meetings for the Chiefs proposed ccw requirements.  People need something to do for the next 8 months while these CCW requirements get sorted out. Ok, back to Type 2 holster convos.

I guess my point is that we are constantly playing catch up and being responsive to the hairbrained ideas of the Hawaii chiefs, gov, and leg. Whereas we should be ousting these legislators via election.

There will be a second round of public comments for HPD that will end up delaying the process again. The Level Ii/Type II holster stuff was bait that they put in the rules to drum up a request for changes. HPD is leading the charge because they actually have chief created rules. Also, it is no conincidence that Rhoades and Lee are trying to give HPD extra $ from citations. This is the carrot to get HPD to do its bidding for CCW. Once the leg or mayor put in place these sensitive place restrictions, HPD is gonna spend tons of time trying to dirty up CCW holders. Child rapists will be set free and CCW holders who crossed 2 feet over and invisible line will be hammered. Everyone knows HPD and the AG office monitors 2ahawaii. I can imagine some semi constitutional version of nypds stop and frisk being used to mess with people.

We have a few more weeks to see how the 2nd Circuit case plays out and probably 6 months to see what ends up happening. 2nd circuit and 9th circuit have same anti 2a playbook. The leg and mayor will be back with more restrictions by then and will use the same process all over again.

Honestly, I would be scared to carry in Hawaii. HPD and Leg will be out to get everyone and I can only imagine that they will make CCW holders obtain insurance. They will find the highest policy limit offered then require something above that to screw people.

So how do you counter? You leverage 2a supporters to be involved and provide other forms of testimony not related to 2a to HPD or the Leg and CC. HPD wants to spend all this time on CCW, what they doing for Kupunas being hurt in home invasion, what they doing about illegal handicap parkers, etc. The Leg, Rhoades, and Lee always run their mouth about CCW but what about poor Keiki being molested and dying in foster care? The mayor has a $12 billion tax pit called rail that should be attacked every day, pot holes the size of minivans all over. Find something you are interested in thay the government is doing. If its not up to snuff or you see gaps, bitch about it via letters and testimony.

Hardly any of the opposition even took the time to even read what’s being proposed, or even considered what is lawful or reasonable. They just regurgitating the fear mongering and nonsense being spewed. That one dude was even spouting about how SCOTUS made abortion illegal, and is comparing that to a constitutional protected NATURAL RIGHT….  WTF? This dude has no clue about how this works at all.

What really disgusting is this is not a debate. They need to follow the Constitution and the ruling of the SCOTUS. yet here we are debating with these people about what infringements are “reasonable” when 90% of these rules are ILLEGAL.

No accountability whatsoever for these bureaucrats and politicians. ZERO

Kavanaugh's concurring opinion allows them to put in place restrictions and ccw requirements. They are just following the antigun playbook knowing full well this will stall the process and worst case scenario is the state gets sued and burns another year. This is a stall tactic to ride out the ongoing lawsuits. Hawaii is dreaming of a federal lawsuit because 9th circuit liberal judges will side with Hawaii, then even longer before the issue is settled. Relax, nothing is going to happen any time soon. Spend time voting for and supporting good candidates in the mext election.

The Judge in the New York case gave little weight to historical evidence and justification provided by the defense based on territories prior to statehood. Anything HPD, CC's, Mayors, Legislators, or Governor provides as historic context in Hawaii to limit CCW during the Hawaiian Kingdom, Provisional Government, and Territorial eras, is a losing argument. Hawaii better tread lightly because they will not like the outcome if they push the issue and it goes back to the Supreme Ct. We will see how NYs emergency appeal goes. Either way it will probably go En banc. We need another circuit conflict.

The good ol' symbolic bend the knee as part of COF.