Wonder how bold this robber would be if HI were a CCW shall issue state (Read 5263 times)

ren

Deeds Not Words

macsak

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/26028946/bold-robber-says-police-arent-going-to-catch-him

what?
black hoodie?
good thing no one on this forum does anything illegal...

Police sources say one man may be responsible for more than two dozen robberies in two months. The man who wore a black hoodie while committing the crimes hit stores between May and June.

edster48

Well, what do the people in this city expect?
 This guy was nowhere near a Zippy's.
He also wasn't doing 40 in a 35 zone.
Further, he only left behind photographic evidence.
Clearly we're dealing with a criminal mastermind here.

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Unless you can be a pirate.
Then always be a pirate.

OldFaithful

Saw this on the news earlier and kind of shook my head at one of the comments by the security guy. 

"He also says business owners need to help protect employees. He suggests lock boxes which are like safes, clerks put money into them but can't access the money. That limits the amount that can be stolen and thieves may not think the robbery is worth it."

I don't care about the money.  Take it all.  I care about my LIFE

BigBlue

Well-put. Even if this was a CCW state and I was there I wouldn't necessarily shoot him. Over an insured bank loss? Hell no. Best outcome is they leave smoothly with the cash, not freak out and start shooting.

They look like they're going to shoot someone? Different story. Granted it's not always clear cut.

CCW is a tool. Doesn't mean it's the right one for every situation.

HiCarry

Well-put. Even if this was a CCW state and I was there I wouldn't necessarily shoot him. Over an insured bank loss? Hell no. Best outcome is they leave smoothly with the cash, not freak out and start shooting.

They look like they're going to shoot someone? Different story. Granted it's not always clear cut.

CCW is a tool. Doesn't mean it's the right one for every situation.
Not disagreeing over shooting the bank robber over an insured bank loss, but what exactly does someone look like when they're going to shoot someone? Just curious how you'd know the difference between the gun wielding robber who only wants the money versus the gun wielding robber intending on shooting the witnesses?

edster48

Not disagreeing over shooting the bank robber over an insured bank loss, but what exactly does someone look like when they're going to shoot someone? Just curious how you'd know the difference between the gun wielding robber who only wants the money versus the gun wielding robber intending on shooting the witnesses?

You can't know the difference. The operative words in your question are gun wielding. If a person is wielding a gun, their intent to use it may be assumed. Why else are they wielding it?

Screw the banks money, that's not what this should be about. IMO if you have a clear shot, you take it. Maybe the guy doesn't shoot anyone this time, but getting away with it once or twice will only embolden them. At some point he'll decide he can get away with that too. This is a about doing what's right, not playing "what if " games. The way I learned about gun handling when I grew up, if you point a gun at someone, you better be ready to kill them, or they'll kill you. Should someone point a gun at me or someone else, my default is that they are ready to kill. I'm not going to sit around and hope they have a big heart.

I guess I'm just old fashioned in this respect.
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Unless you can be a pirate.
Then always be a pirate.

Q

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HiCarry

You can't know the difference. The operative words in your question are gun wielding. If a person is wielding a gun, their intent to use it may be assumed. Why else are they wielding it?

Screw the banks money, that's not what this should be about. IMO if you have a clear shot, you take it. Maybe the guy doesn't shoot anyone this time, but getting away with it once or twice will only embolden them. At some point he'll decide he can get away with that too. This is a about doing what's right, not playing "what if " games. The way I learned about gun handling when I grew up, if you point a gun at someone, you better be ready to kill them, or they'll kill you. Should someone point a gun at me or someone else, my default is that they are ready to kill. I'm not going to sit around and hope they have a big heart.

I guess I'm just old fashioned in this respect.

I'm not sure if you got my sarcasm. It shouldn't be about the money it should be about, as you, IMHO, correctly state, the fact that someone is pointing a gun at you. If someone points a gun at you, you should have the ability to respond with deadly force. That being said, neither may it be all about having a clear shot. Are there two robbers, but only one has made his or her presence known? What if bad guy #2 is standing right outside the door in case something does go wrong? What are your angles of fire in relationship to others in the bank? Maybe this is what you meant by "...if you have the shot..." but it wasn't clear if it was. Like the recent tragic loss of an armed good Samaritan after the ambush of the two police officers in Las Vegas, you can make an assessment of the situation using your best judgement and knowledge of similar situations (most mass shootings are done by individuals, most bank robbers don't shoot people...) with the best intentions and still end up dead.   

eyeeatingfish

Not disagreeing over shooting the bank robber over an insured bank loss, but what exactly does someone look like when they're going to shoot someone? Just curious how you'd know the difference between the gun wielding robber who only wants the money versus the gun wielding robber intending on shooting the witnesses?

Just imagine what you might tell a jury if you stood accused of using deadly force. How is the robber holding the gun, do you actually see the gun/weapon, what is the robber saying, what is his body language, etc etc.