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So you're OK with registering your guns, eh?
« on: January 16, 2012, 01:44:11 AM »
Oh, Canada!

A lot of folks seem to think that registration of firearms is no big deal, and almost every TV show dealing with gun violence seems to have the underlying assumption that (A) guns should be registered, and (B) that the purpose of gun registration is to track down firearms which are used in crimes.

Nope.

Registration's ultimate goal is confiscation.

Read it and weep:

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/01/12/bureaucrats-gunning-for-rifle-owners

(Op-Ed piece)

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Bureaucrats gunning for rifle owners   

 By Brian Lilley ,Parliamentary Bureau
First posted: Thursday, January 12, 2012 08:44 PM EST | Updated: Thursday, January 12, 2012 08:49 PM EST
 
   
When Bill C-68, the gun registry bill, was being debated, opponents said registration of firearms would lead to their eventual confiscation.

Now that is happening.

Just before Christmas, owners of certain firearms were informed by letter that their rifles had been reclassified as prohibited weapons in Canada and they must be turned over to police officials.

Failure to comply would mean the weapons would be taken by force and the owners thrown in jail. The reason for the change: The rifle looks scary.

The Armi Jager AP-80 is a .22-calibre rimfire rifle that looks like the AK-47, the Soviet-era military rifle. The fact is the AP-80 doesn’t work like the AK-47, fires a vastly smaller round than the AK-47 and has no parts that are interchangeable with the AK-47.

This change appears to be based on looks....

<snip>


Toronto Sun's Editorial position:

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Editorially, the paper frequently follows the positions of neo-conservatism in the United States on economic issues and traditional Canadian/British conservatism. Editorials promote individualism, self-reliance, the police, and a strong military and support for troops.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Sun

 

Oh, Hawaii!

Terry, 230RN
« Last Edit: January 16, 2012, 05:24:09 AM by 230RN »
I do believe that the radical and crazy notion that the Founders meant what they said, is gradually soaking through the judicial system.

DonRow

So you're OK with registering your guns, eh?
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2012, 07:19:26 AM »
Im not ok with Registering shit, in my opinion, I think it's a clear violation of the 2nd & 4th amendment. But I'm just one man with one mans opinion.

Inspector

Re: So you're OK with registering your guns, eh?
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2012, 08:18:21 AM »
Im not ok with Registering shit, in my opinion, I think it's a clear violation of the 2nd & 4th amendment. But I'm just one man with one mans opinion.
Sorry to correct you DonRow, you are one man with TWO mens opinion!!!  ;)

No I am not okay with registration. The few guns I have are registered. But not because I really want them to be. I don't want to be a criminal. Somehow I feel like one, though. I am so afraid that I am going to see confiscation in my lifetime.
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DonRow

So you're OK with registering your guns, eh?
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2012, 08:23:19 AM »
Im not ok with Registering shit, in my opinion, I think it's a clear violation of the 2nd & 4th amendment. But I'm just one man with one mans opinion.
Sorry to correct you DonRow, you are one man with TWO mens opinion!!!  ;)

No I am not okay with registration. The few guns I have are registered. But not because I really want them to be. I don't want to be a criminal. Somehow I feel like one, though. I am so afraid that I am going to see confiscation in my lifetime.
I feel you brah.

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Re: So you're OK with registering your guns, eh?
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2012, 08:30:36 AM »
Lucky we have the world of DIY and the 80% club.

You dont have to register the 80% stuff till its complete.  Bury it till needed unassembled.

Imagine if the serial number bullets? what a mess. Stupid laws by dumb politicos
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Re: So you're OK with registering your guns, eh?
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2012, 09:20:49 AM »
Epic comment for the win!

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What most people don't understand. There is only _ONE_ possible study/result combination responsible for the way they classify/reclassify firearms in this country. The technique involves recruiting the help of a average urban, left wing bureaucrat. They then insert a medical anal probe and show the bureaucrat the firearm in question. They then measure, and record the the clinch pressure exerted on the probe. The higher the pressure, the further the firearm moves up the "scary gun scale', and the more likely it will proceed from the non-restricted, to restricted or prohibited class. There is _NO OTHER_ possible way they could have come to the conclusion that the Armi Jager AP-80, 22 calibre rimfire rifle, is a "variant" of the military AK-47.

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Cougar8045

Re: So you're OK with registering your guns, eh?
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2012, 09:34:29 AM »
Lucky we have the world of DIY and the 80% club.

You dont have to register the 80% stuff till its complete.  Bury it till needed unassembled.

Imagine if the serial number bullets? what a mess. Stupid laws by dumb politicos
Here ya go:  Midway bullet casting section.
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BananaClip

Re: So you're OK with registering your guns, eh?
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2012, 11:04:15 AM »
It's obvious that taking firearms away is the only reason why we have to register... The govnernment isn't worried about "THUGS" with guns... They're worried about law abidding citizens with enough brains to have a plan to protect our loved ones and assets... Harder to control people if they're armed and intelligent.....oh yeah and know their rights.... ;)
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DonRow

So you're OK with registering your guns, eh?
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2012, 11:46:11 AM »
Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.
- George Washington

:) I love this guy.

sirkaiks

So you're OK with registering your guns, eh?
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2012, 12:04:59 PM »
my friend bought a ruger 10/22 charger down here, registered it and fired it for a couple months. then the police roll up to his house and confiscate it because it got added to the assault pistol list. no grandfathered in nothing, just straight up confiscation. because he followed hawaii state laws and procedures he got screwed!

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Re: So you're OK with registering your guns, eh?
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2012, 12:32:32 PM »
 
my friend bought a ruger 10/22 charger down here, registered it and fired it for a couple months. then the police roll up to his house and confiscate it because it got added to the assault pistol list. no grandfathered in nothing, just straight up confiscation. because he followed hawaii state laws and procedures he got screwed!

It fell off the boat while I was fishing... ;)

clshade

Re: So you're OK with registering your guns, eh?
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2012, 01:08:39 PM »
Um, no. Not OK with registering firearms. I think its total bullshit. Obviously the criminals aren't permiting or registering their "assault pistols" and "high capacity" magazines so I don't see what the point of the law is.

Not much choice if you live here in Paradise - unless you want to risk a misdemeanor for fail to register or a felony for having an unpermitted firearm.

So once again the law abiding, responsible citizens get screwed.

kala201

Re: So you're OK with registering your guns, eh?
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2012, 03:45:41 PM »
I definately am not alright with firearm registration.  It is clearly a violation of our rights. "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."  And then if you look up infringe you get: to wrongly limit or restrict (something, such as another person's rights).  Registration is a form of limitation straight up.  The worse part about Hawaii's laws is that they seem to restrict law abiding citizens while aiding the criminals.




Cougar8045

Re: So you're OK with registering your guns, eh?
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2012, 04:08:45 PM »
I'm perfectly ok with registration, theoretically.  I'm also perfectly ok with Obamacare, socialism, and Communism, theoretically.  Theoretically, a registration system might make a difference in solving one crime out of a thousand.  Theoretically, it would allow a gun manufacturer to track down the second, third, or fourth owner of a firearm in the event of a factory recall.  Theoretically, in a socialist system, everyone lives in a land of plenty where no one wants for lack of food, housing, medical care, or employment.  But as one of the wise members of this forum says in his signature line, "The difference between theory and reality is that, in theory, there is no difference between theory and reality."

Practically speaking, gun registration lists do not make any difference in catching criminals.  They don't allow gun manufacturers to track down owners of recalled firearms, because we as gun owners demand that they be kept at least somewhat confidential.  There's a damn good reason for that, as Florida found out with their CCW system.  (Once again, theory and reality diverge at an exponential rate!)  Finally, every single registration list has been used at some point to allow the confiscation of privately held firearms.  The old standbys are the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, but it's happened in Australia, the UK, Canada, and apparently in some cases here in Hawaii.  Registration is the cornerstone of confiscation, and I will never be ok with registration, permits to acquire, or any of the other trappings of totalitarianism the state of Hawaii has saddled the citizenry with.
I'm just a fluffy white bunny rabbit who lost his way. 

"If a thief be found breaking in, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him. ..."  -Exodus 22:2

DonRow

So you're OK with registering your guns, eh?
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2012, 04:31:17 PM »
I'm perfectly ok with registration, theoretically.  I'm also perfectly ok with Obamacare, socialism, and Communism, theoretically.  Theoretically, a registration system might make a difference in solving one crime out of a thousand.  Theoretically, it would allow a gun manufacturer to track down the second, third, or fourth owner of a firearm in the event of a factory recall.  Theoretically, in a socialist system, everyone lives in a land of plenty where no one wants for lack of food, housing, medical care, or employment.  But as one of the wise members of this forum says in his signature line, "The difference between theory and reality is that, in theory, there is no difference between theory and reality."

Practically speaking, gun registration lists do not make any difference in catching criminals.  They don't allow gun manufacturers to track down owners of recalled firearms, because we as gun owners demand that they be kept at least somewhat confidential.  There's a damn good reason for that, as Florida found out with their CCW system.  (Once again, theory and reality diverge at an exponential rate!)  Finally, every single registration list has been used at some point to allow the confiscation of privately held firearms.  The old standbys are the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, but it's happened in Australia, the UK, Canada, and apparently in some cases here in Hawaii.  Registration is the cornerstone of confiscation, and I will never be ok with registration, permits to acquire, or any of the other trappings of totalitarianism the state of Hawaii has saddled the citizenry with.
nicely put man!