Student suspended for liking a picture (Read 5641 times)

oldfart

Student suspended for liking a picture
« on: May 08, 2017, 09:25:23 AM »
« Last Edit: May 08, 2017, 09:49:35 AM by oldfart »
What, Me Worry?

K30l4

Re: Student suspended for liking a picture
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2017, 09:31:27 AM »
The question I have is, how did the school know of the students actions on social media? Does the school monitor all students social media activities? 

RSN172

Re: Student suspended for liking a picture
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2017, 10:41:06 AM »
Das y I no mo social media of any kind.  Closest thing is this site.
Happily living in Puna

whynow?

Re: Student suspended for liking a picture
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2017, 11:39:35 AM »
Picture of airsoft pistol got him suspended.   The community need to fire those who handed out the suspension.   Imagine Ralphie in a modern day Christmas story with a Daisy Red Ryder would be arrested as an adult, all constitutional rights removed and his parents arrested for child endangerment after a CPS swat team raids the home.
Also Ralphie would be labeled as a sociopath by some well respected (quack) psychiatrist for liking firearms.

punaperson

Re: Student suspended for liking a picture
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2017, 01:41:36 PM »
The school apparently rescinded the suspension "after speaking with Zachary’s parents."

I wonder if that "conversation" included the phrase "We're gonna sue your fucking ass you idiots!"?

I want to see the list of every single "prohibited" item that would warrant suspension if "liked" on social media. As someone in the comments section of one of the stories wrote (paraphrase), what would happen if someone "liked" one of those nasty cartoons about physical harm coming to Trump?

http://news10.com/2017/05/07/ohio-middle-schooler-suspended-after-liking-gun-photo-on-instagram/

rklapp

Re: Student suspended for liking a picture
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2017, 02:53:53 PM »
My kids are grown. I'm glad I'm no longer a parent of small children.

http://www.theonion.com/article/child-protective-services-take-80-million-children-55374
Yahh! Freedom and justice shall always prevail over tyranny, Babysitter Girl!
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PeaShooter

Re: Student suspended for liking a picture
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2017, 04:03:45 PM »
Government would win if the parents sue at this time. This is happening because the courts have become corrupt. Plenty of lawsuits over things like this have happened recently, or are happening, and all have lost. Freedom of speech no longer exists in America. The Second Amendment may be soon to follow.

punaperson

Re: Student suspended for liking a picture
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2017, 06:02:12 PM »
Government would win if the parents sue at this time. This is happening because the courts have become corrupt. Plenty of lawsuits over things like this have happened recently, or are happening, and all have lost. Freedom of speech no longer exists in America. The Second Amendment may be soon to follow.
No, they haven't. See the website of FIRE (Foundation for Individual Rights in Education): https://www.thefire.org/. They list literally hundreds of cases they have won. Also, many cases are won without going to trial because the school system either revokes their original discipline (as in the above OP case) or they settle out of court to avoid both costly litigation and the possibility of an even more costly defeat in a trial.

This is just one example of a case (not a FIRE case) won at the middle school level re freedom of speech and social media posts:

http://www.splc.org/article/2015/05/oregon-student-wins-free-speech-lawsuit-against-school-overturning-discipline-for-critical-facebook-posts

PeaShooter

Re: Student suspended for liking a picture
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2017, 03:26:12 PM »
That case is a couple years old, search for newer articles FIRE and SPLC have written and you may find some unbelievable stuff. Don't browse through the FIRE website because they don't seem to link their articles on the disastrous lost cases there. Those FIRE articles are either elsewhere, or are hosted on their website but not linked on it.

In any case, at this time even in the unlikely scenario a student wins his case, the government will surely deny any major payment to his lawyers via what is known as sovereign qualified immunity and the 11th amendment. Meaning that in the end the student would have to pay his lawyers out of pocket to get a suspension lifted.

I realize that I have not provided enough direct sources to confirm my allegations so I know my claims stand contested. I guess that's how many accusations of judicial corruption go. But I think I've given enough information that someone could dig up what I know on their own if they were so inclined.

punaperson

Re: Student suspended for liking a picture
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2017, 04:04:24 PM »
I realize that I have not provided enough direct sources to confirm my allegations so I know my claims stand contested.
No, you haven't provided even a single source.

PeaShooter

Re: Student suspended for liking a picture
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2017, 05:25:57 PM »
That is deliberate. It's not that I don't have them. I choose not to provide them, just like FIRE chooses not to link their biggest cases that lost on their website. To be sure, I am among the strongest supporters of free speech, and I would like to have your position on this.

I guess it wouldn't hurt for me to mention Morse v. Frederick as a source. It's from 2007 and is the most recent SCOTUS decision regarding student speech rights. I don't know if FIRE was involved in this. All I can say is that even given the dark signal of that case, the newest and current decisions from appeals courts are far worse. These were appealed to SCOTUS by or with involvement from FIRE and SPLC and were rejected. Morse wasn't quoted in any of the appeals court decisions, it just signals their mentality ever since. The original Tinker decision, and various others, have pretty much become ignored.

This isn't just about free speech either. My suspicions of corruption could apply to any kind of civil rights case, especially those where big money is involved, and publicity is not too high. Judges are extremely inclined to rule for the government, through the principle of qualified immunity if all else fails, because they are either paid off or poliltically influenced by those who put them in their positions.