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punaperson

Can Emails and Calls Influence Legislators?
« on: June 22, 2017, 01:12:55 PM »
Ohio is on the verge of passing "permitless carry"/"constitutional carry" legislation. Ohio Gun Owners Director Chris Dorr had the chance to interview Gun Owners of America's Larry Pratt who had just testified at a committee hearing. At the end of the interview Dorr states that "grassroot" activism, calling and emailing legislators, is what is most effective in moving legislation forward. Pratt concurs. Hawaii may be an exception with 100% and 93% Dem chambers opposed to our legally exercising all our rights, but, who knows, if maybe a thousand people called and emailed instead of 3 or 12 or 20 or whatever the real world number is...? I'd think we'd have to have something closer to parity in numbers first, as it's unlikely that more than a few anomalous Dems will ever support our Constitutionally-guaranteed rights.

https://www.facebook.com/likeohiogunowners/videos/842264559269199/

Speaking of which... anybody on the Big Island planning on going to the Ruderman/Green "Townhall" on the 27th in Pahoa? "An evening of legislative discussion and insight with Senator Russell Ruderman and his special guest, Senator Josh Green."

I need some "insight" into these two clowns recently re-elected Socialist Democratic state senators. I really do. No, on second thought, I'd rather not know exactly how they got to where they are belief-wise.
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RSN172

Re: Can Emails and Calls Influence Legislators?
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2017, 10:21:34 PM »
Emails and calls might work in normal states but not in Hawaii.  Hawaii is a special place, you have to be a lolo so other lolos will vote you into office.  If you have any kind of common sense and the lolos find out, you won't get elected.
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changemyoil66

Re: Can Emails and Calls Influence Legislators?
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2017, 09:32:02 AM »
Depends on the law maker.  I emailed Scott Nishimoto (Rep) and he proposed a CCW bill HB36.  But I'm sure he doesn't get much emails or calls so he was able to respond.  Where as someone like Tulsi, Hirono, Schatz,etc... get flooded with calls and stuff.

I did DM Pence and Trump via IG to see if they can help with our anti 2a law makers and got no response.
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Shoboshi

Re: Can Emails and Calls Influence Legislators?
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2017, 07:32:52 AM »
Front page of Star Advertiser.
Gov Ige just signed a bill HB 1501 because there was little public outcry and opposition. Introduced by  San Buenaventura D, Pahoa-Kalapana. He said "There was no public outcry against its passage." and "The only people who were against it was not the citizens, it was the prosecutors." HB1501 "dramatically reduces the penalties for possession of all kinds of drug paraphernalia ranging from marijuana pipes, to plastic bags and needles which were felonies before.

Old Law
Up to five years in prison
Fines up to $10K

New Law
No jail time
Fines of no more than $500
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punaperson

Re: Can Emails and Calls Influence Legislators?
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2017, 01:14:31 PM »
Quote from: Shoboshi on July 08, 2017, 07:32:52 AM
Front page of Star Advertiser.
Gov Ige just signed a bill HB 1501 because there was little public outcry and opposition. Introduced by  San Buenaventura D, Pahoa-Kalapana. He said "There was no public outcry against its passage." and "The only people who were against it was not the citizens, it was the prosecutors." HB1501 "dramatically reduces the penalties for possession of all kinds of drug paraphernalia ranging from marijuana pipes, to plastic bags and needles which were felonies before.

Old Law
Up to five years in prison
Fines up to $10K

New Law
No jail time
Fines of no more than $500
No. San Buenaventura said that, not Ige.

http://www.pressreader.com/usa/honolulu-star-advertiser/20170708/281492161350025

Hard to tell from what you wrote, but are you implying that it should be a felony with possible five year imprisonment and $10,000 fine to possess rolling papers? Or a pipe? It's a misdemeanor to posses a single cannabis cigarette (which is totally irrational in itself), but should be a felony to possess a pipe or papers? Make sense (logical, rational, and based upon indisputable evidence) of that one.

As for the public input influencing the decision, there would be no way to know unless every single legislator stated his initial intent to vote in favor or opposition to the bill and if that was changed by public input (email, calls, public testimony). In the case of this bill, there were over 152 pages of testimony submitted before the two committees that heard the bill, and EVERY SINGLE PRIVATE CITIZEN, EXCEPT ONE, SUPPORTED THE BILL. Whereas the "law enforcement" community (cops and prosecutors) unanimously opposed the bill. The "healthcare/drug treatment" community UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORTED THE BILL. Now, who are the public servants supposed to serve?

Or is it like with firearms and the Second Amendment where the "public servants" violate their oath of office to uphold the Constitution(s) because they know what is best for us (ban this, ban that, go to jail for exercising your rights)?
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Shoboshi

Re: Can Emails and Calls Influence Legislators?
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2017, 02:21:05 AM »
I wrote it in a rush, but I thought when I wrote it out clearly about San Buenaventura introduced it and He said "There was no..... etc"

At first reading the article I thought about honestly what average joe public reads the city/state website constantly to keep informed about all bills being introduced. Also reading the bills is quite confusing who don't completely understand what the bill is for.  So I just thought this article kinda pertained to the topic of emails and calls influencing legislators since it mentioned it.

My law skills is next to none, so you went deep on your discussion. After my wife reminded me paraphernalia wasn't the drug itself, I was like oooh ok. Now It makes a little more sense, but then again... what non-drug user carries a pipe or needle in their purse/bag?  I told my wife, it's kinda like if I carry my gun without ammo in it.. Pipe but no crack.... Pistol but no ammo.
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punaperson

Re: Can Emails and Calls Influence Legislators?
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2017, 06:06:55 AM »
Quote from: Shoboshi on July 09, 2017, 02:21:05 AM
I wrote it in a rush, but I thought when I wrote it out clearly about San Buenaventura introduced it and He said "There was no..... etc"

Representative Joy San Buenaventura is not a "he".

At first reading the article I thought about honestly what average joe public reads the city/state website constantly to keep informed about all bills being introduced. Also reading the bills is quite confusing who don't completely understand what the bill is for.  So I just thought this article kinda pertained to the topic of emails and calls influencing legislators since it mentioned it.

Yes, as San Buenaventura stated, the public input, as least as far as testimony submitted went, was 99% in favor of the bill, and the county and state prosecutor testimony was 100% opposed to the bill. Did any of the public input make a difference in the legislator's votes? How would we know without the statements of the legislators? Last year a nearly identical bill did not even get a hearing in any committee in either chamber, so something changed.

My law skills is next to none, so you went deep on your discussion. After my wife reminded me paraphernalia wasn't the drug itself, I was like oooh ok. Now It makes a little more sense, but then again... what non-drug user carries a pipe or needle in their purse/bag?

A (tobacco) pipe smoker? A diabetic? Rolling papers: a tobacco smoker? "Plastic bags": a sandwich for lunch eater?

 I told my wife, it's kinda like if I carry my gun without ammo in it.. Pipe but no crack.... Pistol but no ammo.

The difference being that a pipe has uses other than to consume illegal substances, whereas with firearms Hawaii has you covered, because you can't have that firearm, even unloaded, anywhere but the "approved" places and in transit directly between those place in an approved container. However, California once allowed "unloaded" open carry (after they banned loaded open carry), but then decided that even that was too much of a threat to "public safety", so they banned unloaded open carry as well.
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Shoboshi

Re: Can Emails and Calls Influence Legislators?
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2017, 10:38:56 AM »
ok well, not going to continue because you are over analyzing everything. Thought I was sharing some relative info because not everyone gets the daily newspaper or subscribes online.

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