Stunning – 44 Democrats (Hirono/Schatz) Vote to Support Post Birth Abortion… (Read 3855 times)

punaperson

Of course Hirono and Schatz signed on against the concept of saving the lives of unsuccessful abortion attempts (baby born live)... inside the womb, outside the womb, it's a woman's "reproductive health care" "choice"...

Stunning – 44 Democrats Vote to Support Post Birth Abortion…

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/02/25/stunning-44-democrats-vote-to-support-post-birth-abortion/

ren

evil lemmings Schatz and Crazy Mazie. This is where we should capitalize on their heinous idealization.
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changemyoil66

Gotta read deeper into why this bill was voted for support.  What's the def of a "unsuccessful abortion"?  Baby body parts black market is a huge industry.  #tinfoil

robtmc

Gotta read deeper into why this bill was voted for support.  What's the def of a "unsuccessful abortion"?  Baby body parts black market is a huge industry.  #tinfoil

Fairly sure it is "born alive" though surely in incomprehensible lawyer speak.

Of course, calling for a post birth abortion of Shititz or Whorono is not allowed........

Being as we do not do anything illegal here.

oldfart

Please tell me there is some misunderstanding here.

Are we saying that "unsuccessful abortion" = live birth

Then 44 legislators FAILED to protect the live babies?
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changemyoil66

Please tell me there is some misunderstanding here.

Are we saying that "unsuccessful abortion" = live birth

Then 44 legislators FAILED to protect the live babies?

NY passed an abortion bill that you can have one up till the minute before "giving birth".  So with that being said, assume what is pulled out of the woman is alive (heart beating) and full grown infant even though the appropriate drugs were administered.  So if the above bill passed, then the doctors in the room would have to still care for the infant like they would a real human and try and preserve the life instead of taking it.

VA has a similar bill making its way also.  So the trend would be to legalize abortion across the nation over time like NY is doing.  And by having this federal law would be counter productive.

Now IDK the process of an abortion either.  Say the fetus is 12 weeks old, do they leave it inside the woman until the heart stops?  Or do they pull it out while the heart is still beating and wait for the heart to stop?  Same in NY, say an 8 month fetus.  Do they leave it inside until the heart stops?  I've seen videos of fetus's (size of a twinkee) and the heart is beating.  It was part of a protest outside of a DC court house.  They had a TV and DVD player set up.

punaperson

This current bill, just defeated in the Senate, is a slightly expanded version of the original Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of 2002 signed by George H.W. Bush. It passed in the Senate by unanimous consent July 18, 2002 [Have the times changed, or what?!]

Here is a portion of the National Review article from yesterday:

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/born-alive-bill-fails-to-pass-senate-vote/

During the floor debate over the bill this afternoon, several Democratic senators said they planned to oppose the legislation because they believe it limits women’s health-care options. “That is the actual intent of this bill, reducing access to safe abortion care would threaten the health of women in Hawaii,” said Mazie Hirono (D., Hawaii).

But nothing in the legislation forces doctors to provide any particular treatment to infants; it merely requires that they provide medical treatment. It mandates that doctors “exercise the same degree of professional skill, care, and diligence to preserve the life and health of the child as a reasonably diligent and conscientious health care practitioner would render to any other child born alive at the same gestational age.”

In other words, the born-alive bill would’ve done nothing more than insist that health-care providers treat children born alive after attempted abortions the same way that they’d treat any other infant.

Several Republican senators pushed back against the Democrats’ efforts to portray the bill as an attack on women’s health care. “I know a lot of opponents of this bill sincerely believe the talking points that they read from their staffs,” Sasse said. “We’ve heard speech after speech after speech that have nothing to do with what’s actually in this bill.”

“My colleagues across the aisle are debating a bill that’s not in front of us. They are talking about health care for women, which is abortion,” said Joni Ernst (R., Iowa). “This bill does not address abortion. . . . What this bill does is address the health care of a baby that is born alive after a botched abortion. We’re not talking about abortion, folks. We’re talking about the life of a child that is born.”

“I urge my colleagues to picture a baby that’s already been born, that’s outside the womb gasping for air,” Sasse added. “That’s the only thing that today’s vote is actually about. We’re talking about babies that have already been born. Nothing in this bill touches abortion access.”

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You can read the full text of the bill here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/4712

Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act

Summary

This bill amends the federal criminal code to require any health care practitioner who is present when a child is born alive following an abortion or attempted abortion to: (1) exercise the same degree of care as reasonably provided to any other child born alive at the same gestational age, and (2) ensure that such child is immediately admitted to a hospital. The term "born alive" means the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut.

Also, a health care practitioner or other employee who has knowledge of a failure to comply with these requirements must immediately report such failure to an appropriate law enforcement agency.

An individual who violates the provisions of this bill is subject to a criminal fine, up to five years in prison, or both.

An individual who commits an overt act that kills a child born alive is subject to criminal prosecution for murder.

The bill bars the criminal prosecution of a mother of a child born alive for conspiracy to violate these provisions, for being an accessory after the fact, or for concealment of felony.

A woman who undergoes an abortion or attempted abortion may file a civil action for damages against an individual who violates this bill.

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mrgaf

Fairly sure it is "born alive" though surely in incomprehensible lawyer speak.

Of course, calling for a post birth abortion of Shititz or Whorono is not allowed........

Being as we do not do anything illegal here.

That’s to bad that both them scum bags weren’t aborted....
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eyeeatingfish

I heard an interview on NPR about this today and they pointed out that such an instance was rather rare but the interviewer completely failed to address why they would bother to oppose a law on that grounds alone. Even if it happens very rarely why not support the bill anyway?

What tiny percentage of voters really want a baby to be killed after birth just because the abortion was unsuccessful?

punaperson

Even (some) extremely small babies can survive, given the proper care. If they are left on a table uncared for, pretty sure they're gonna die... which is what the Dems voted against outlawing.



World's smallest baby boy, born in Tokyo weighing 268 grams [9.5 OUNCES, 1/13th (one-thirteenth) the average birth weight], healthy and sent home from hospital

FEB 26, 2019

Keio University in Tokyo said Tuesday that a baby with a birth weight of 268 grams has been released from care at its hospital after growing to a weight of 3,238 grams, becoming the smallest boy in the world to be sent home healthy.

The previous record holder was born weighing 274 grams in Germany in 2009, the university said, citing the University of Iowa’s registry for the world’s tiniest babies. The smallest girl was born weighing 252 grams, also in Germany, in 2015.

There had been 23 babies worldwide who were prematurely born weighing under 300 grams and survived, out of whom only four were boys, according to the Tiniest Babies Registry website.

The boy from Tokyo was born through an emergency C-section in August as his weight did not increase at 24 weeks gestation and doctors determined his life was in danger, the university said.

The baby was so small at birth that he could fit in a pair of hands. But after doctors treated him at a neonatal intensive care unit at the hospital by managing his breathing and nutrition, he grew steadily and was able to be breastfed.

He left the hospital last Wednesday, two months after the initial due date.

The survival rate for babies born weighing less than 1,000 grams is about 90 percent in Japan, but that of babies less than 300 grams, especially boys, is low.

“I want people to know that babies can return home vigorous even if they are born small,” said attending Dr. Takeshi Arimitsu.