Trump not a fan of the 1st Amendment? (Read 13774 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump not a fan of the 1st Amendment?
« Reply #60 on: August 04, 2020, 11:31:58 PM »
You are right.

Except that there are.
https://constitution.congress.gov/resources/unconstitutional-laws/


Lawmakers are nearly always immune from the passing of laws later ruled unconstitutional. Yet the cops and city get sued when they end up enforcing it only later to have it ruled unconstitutional.  They should know what is constitutional and what is not but even they don't all the time. Thats the type of instance I am talking about, where the cops have to have the knowledge of constitutional scholars and know which laws to enforce and how when lawmakers don't even get it right when they pass the laws.

Really?  4 cases in 2018, 5 in 2017, 7 in 2016, 3 in 2015 ...  an average of less than 5 laws per year over the last 5 years is your definition of "all the time?"

Ridiculous, considering the number of actual laws being enacted every year by the 50 states and feds.

The federal gov't enacted 413 laws in 2018 (that's just one year).  I'm not going to go through all the states, but I'd bet my last dollar it's much more than that.

Based on your ridiculous logic, if we just looked at the number of federal laws for 2018, that's 413 passed vs. 2 federal laws found to violate the Constitution in 2018.

Try again.  This is TOO EASY!   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump not a fan of the 1st Amendment?
« Reply #61 on: August 05, 2020, 09:41:05 PM »
Really?  4 cases in 2018, 5 in 2017, 7 in 2016, 3 in 2015 ...  an average of less than 5 laws per year over the last 5 years is your definition of "all the time?"

Often enough to be significant. And that's just looking at cases that make it to the SCOTUS, not laws overruled by federal appeals courts or by state supreme courts.

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Ridiculous, considering the number of actual laws being enacted every year by the 50 states and feds.
The federal gov't enacted 413 laws in 2018 (that's just one year).  I'm not going to go through all the states, but I'd bet my last dollar it's much more than that.
Based on your ridiculous logic, if we just looked at the number of federal laws for 2018, that's 413 passed vs. 2 federal laws found to violate the Constitution in 2018.

Straw man, my argument never relied on percentages of laws passed vs laws ruled unconstitutional. Your objection is irrelevant.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump not a fan of the 1st Amendment?
« Reply #62 on: August 05, 2020, 10:15:41 PM »
Often enough to be significant. And that's just looking at cases that make it to the SCOTUS, not laws overruled by federal appeals courts or by state supreme courts.

Straw man, my argument never relied on percentages of laws passed vs laws ruled unconstitutional. Your objection is irrelevant.

Bullshit.  Plain, old bullshit.

I was using YOUR source numbers.  Now you want to argue about the numbers you posted?  Typical.

WRONG!  You said "all the time".  I illustrated how ridiculous that characterization was.  "All the time" is not a percentage.  It's a FREQUENCY.  Your numbers are nowhere near frequent enough to support your claim.

Webster's dictionary defines "all the time" as : at all times : constantly.  Your exaggeration has been exposed.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump not a fan of the 1st Amendment?
« Reply #63 on: August 08, 2020, 10:05:38 AM »
Bullshit.  Plain, old bullshit.

WRONG!

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I was using YOUR source numbers.  Now you want to argue about the numbers you posted?  Typical.

Nope, I am saying you are not the opinion Nazi who gets to define how I use the word significant.


Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump not a fan of the 1st Amendment?
« Reply #64 on: August 08, 2020, 02:28:02 PM »
WRONG!

Nope, I am saying you are not the opinion Nazi who gets to define how I use the word significant.

But you are?

LOL!   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump not a fan of the 1st Amendment?
« Reply #65 on: August 11, 2020, 08:55:00 PM »
But you are?

LOL!   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

When I use a word with a subjective nature then yes, I get to decide what it means to me.

Gosh, I could call a pizza tasty and you would reply "WRONG!"

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump not a fan of the 1st Amendment?
« Reply #66 on: August 11, 2020, 09:49:45 PM »
When I use a word with a subjective nature then yes, I get to decide what it means to me.

Gosh, I could call a pizza tasty and you would reply "WRONG!"

That's 100% subjective.  I can find people who can't stand pizza.  I used to be one -- until college. 

We were discussing "significant", which is not subjective in it's definition.

Look it up.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump not a fan of the 1st Amendment?
« Reply #67 on: August 14, 2020, 08:48:50 PM »
That's 100% subjective.  I can find people who can't stand pizza.  I used to be one -- until college. 

We were discussing "significant", which is not subjective in it's definition.

Look it up.

significant[ sig-nif-i-kuhnt ]SHOW IPA
SEE SYNONYMS FOR significant ON THESAURUS.COM
adjective
important and deserving of attention; of consequence:
Their advice played a significant role in saving my marriage.
relatively large in amount or quantity:
a significant decrease in revenue.
having or expressing a meaning; indicative:
a significant symbol of royalty.
having a special, secret, or disguised meaning; suggestive:
a significant wink.
Statistics. of or relating to observations that are unlikely to occur by chance and that therefore indicate a systematic cause:
Memory training produced a statistically significant improvement in group performance.

Looked it up for ya. Yup, subjective in nature as I correctly pointed out.
Unless of course you can find somewhere in that definition that gives a specific percentage or specific number. I'll wait for you to find it.