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the three times i have brought back ammo, Hawaiian has weighed every single time.  Once i was over 11 lbs (so they say) but i pre weighed.  So another scale used, and i was right.

BTW the prices someone posted are incorrect on the mainland.

I have purchased ammo in LV and had shipped to LV.  Before shipping and tax, 349 for 1000 rounds of 9mm  40Cal Rem was $29.95 per 50 rounds (before tax)  so far lots of ammo seen at LGS in Vegas.

BTW im heading there 2x in March....

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the three times i have brought back ammo, Hawaiian has weighed every single time.  Once i was over 11 lbs (so they say) but i pre weighed.  So another scale used, and i was right.

BTW the prices someone posted are incorrect on the mainland.

I have purchased ammo in LV and had shipped to LV.  Before shipping and tax, 349 for 1000 rounds of 9mm  40Cal Rem was $29.95 per 50 rounds (before tax)  so far lots of ammo seen at LGS in Vegas.

BTW im heading there 2x in March....

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For us it's hit or miss. But seems like Oahu is more strict. Here they always weight my ammo and even check if a few rounds are missing from the box. My trip in december the lady thought it had to also be packed inside the foam case that my gun was in. She had to check with her boss. And she was wrong.

Coming back and checking with HA, half the time they don't even weight it, they just ask that I' m under 11lbs. I've also never had to open the box in vegas HA check in either. Only a few times did I have to not open the pistol case, a verbal from me was sufficient.

So seems vegas is more lax about it than Oahu.

For us it's hit or miss. But seems like Oahu is more strict. Here they always weight my ammo and even check if a few rounds are missing from the box. My trip in december the lady thought it had to also be packed inside the foam case that my gun was in. She had to check with her boss. And she was wrong.

Coming back and checking with HA, half the time they don't even weight it, they just ask that I' m under 11lbs. I've also never had to open the box in vegas HA check in either. Only a few times did I have to not open the pistol case, a verbal from me was sufficient.

So seems vegas is more lax about it than Oahu.

Based on my experience in Vegas, Honolulu and other cities, I'd characterize it more like:

Most mainland airports see more firearms being transported than Hawaii.  They are therefore more comfortable and knowledgeable on the rules and procedures.

In Hawaii, I had to explain to the agent how things worked, which she had to verify with her supervisor.  I was correct, and she was apologetic.

In Vegas, the agent was 100% on top of the process, and she didn't bat an eye when I declared my firearms and ammo.  She had me sign my declaration, placed it inside the luggage -- NOT inside the locked Pelican case -- and put a "Special Handing" label on the bag.  She was obviously accustomed to doing this, whereas the Hawaii agents appear to treat this as an "I've never done this before" encounter.

I've transported ammo to and from Hawaii.  I've never been asked to weigh the ammo separately at any airport, and I can't remember being asked how much it weighed (don't make me swear to that!).  I used the plastic Berry's-type ammo cases with dividers, and taped the lids closed.  No problems.

I routinely fly United to use my FF miles.  Maybe the difference is United vs. HA?

Based on my experience in Vegas, Honolulu and other cities, I'd characterize it more like:

Most mainland airports see more firearms being transported than Hawaii.  They are therefore more comfortable and knowledgeable on the rules and procedures.

In Hawaii, I had to explain to the agent how things worked, which she had to verify with her supervisor.  I was correct, and she was apologetic.

In Vegas, the agent was 100% on top of the process, and she didn't bat an eye when I declared my firearms and ammo.  She had me sign my declaration, placed it inside the luggage -- NOT inside the locked Pelican case -- and put a "Special Handing" label on the bag.  She was obviously accustomed to doing this, whereas the Hawaii agents appear to treat this as an "I've never done this before" encounter.

I've transported ammo to and from Hawaii.  I've never been asked to weigh the ammo separately at any airport, and I can't remember being asked how much it weighed (don't make me swear to that!).  I used the plastic Berry's-type ammo cases with dividers, and taped the lids closed.  No problems.

I routinely fly United to use my FF miles.  Maybe the difference is United vs. HA?

HI made me put the orange paper inside the locked case. Vegas in outside in the luggage. #facepalm.

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Hopefully the people who maintain and fly the planes are better trained...

Here they always weight my ammo and even check if a few rounds are missing from the box.

Could they produce something about missing rounds?  Not seen that is reading airlne and TSA stuff

Could they produce something about missing rounds?  Not seen that is reading airlne and TSA stuff

There is nothing that prevents it, but the HA desk workers (Oahu) make it a big deal if your box of 50 isn't full (has open spots).  This happened to me 2x, so now I just bring a full box.

There is nothing that prevents it, but the HA desk workers (Oahu) make it a big deal if your box of 50 isn't full (has open spots).  This happened to me 2x, so now I just bring a full box.

I've flown back with a partial box of 9mm after Front Sight.  I bought a 1,000 rd case and used 930 rds.  That left 1 full box and 1 with only 20 rds. 

Nobody at the counter asked to see my ammo, much less opened the boxes.  Thus, no questions about "missing" rounds.

If an agent tried to make an issue of it, I'd ask for a supervisor.  No sense in arguing with someone who appears to be untrained and is just making up requirements as they go.

"If you bring a 50rd box of ammo, it must contain exactly 50 rds" is rather stupid.

I've flown back with a partial box of 9mm after Front Sight.  I bought a 1,000 rd case and used 930 rds.  That left 1 full box and 1 with only 20 rds. 

Nobody at the counter asked to see my ammo, much less opened the boxes.  Thus, no questions about "missing" rounds.

If an agent tried to make an issue of it, I'd ask for a supervisor.  No sense in arguing with someone who appears to be untrained and is just making up requirements as they go.

"If you bring a 50rd box of ammo, it must contain exactly 50 rds" is rather stupid.

Both times they had to check with a supervisor and I was allowed to bring them.  And 1 time coming home from Vegas, I had a full box of Federal HST. When I got home, 1 round was missing. Jerkoff TSA took my 1 rd. On another return home flight, TSA decided to puncture my protein packed of powder and didn't put tape on the hole.  I had  white powder all over my clothes. It could have been worst though, cause all those clothes had to be washed anyways.  WOuld be worst if it was going up to Vegas.

Also this past December, HA clerk (Oahu) had to check with her supervisor cause there were 2 pistols in the case.  Because they were not in separate foam compartments, basically stacked on each other since it's not a big case.

Both times they had to check with a supervisor and I was allowed to bring them.  And 1 time coming home from Vegas, I had a full box of Federal HST. When I got home, 1 round was missing. Jerkoff TSA took my 1 rd. On another return home flight, TSA decided to puncture my protein packed of powder and didn't put tape on the hole.  I had  white powder all over my clothes. It could have been worst though, cause all those clothes had to be washed anyways.  WOuld be worst if it was going up to Vegas.

Also this past December, HA clerk (Oahu) had to check with her supervisor cause there were 2 pistols in the case.  Because they were not in separate foam compartments, basically stacked on each other since it's not a big case.

I used a small size Pelican for 2 guns when I attended Front Sight.  I inserted a layer of foam between the guns to separate them.

Since nobody has ever opened my gun case to inspect it, I've never had any questions about how many guns I was packing in the one case.

There are 3 layers of foam.  Just cut the hole out all the way through the middle foam, and slice a piece from that cutout to place between the guns.  I do that anyway to keep the guns from banging and sliding against each other in transit.

Next time, ask where the requirement is to have ANY foam in the gun case.  I believe the case has to be rigid and have locks.  Nothing about foam dividers.

a. You must declare all firearms in advance of travel.

b. You must remove all magazines and clips from all firearms.

c. All magazines and clips must be empty. See Rule 18(D)(1)(b)(iii) for an exception for certain law enforcement and Military personnel.

d. You agree to indemnify Hawaiian for any costs and expenses Hawaiian incurs because of your non-compliance with this Section (D)(11) or any Government Laws relating to the transport of your firearm.

e. Firearms must be unloaded and packed in a commercial hard-sided case manufactured specifically for the type of firearm.

f. The container must be locked with a key or lock combination which should remain in your possession to prevent unauthorized access to the firearm.

https://www.hawaiianairlines.com/legal/domestic-contract-of-carriage/rule-18

packed in a commercial hard-sided case manufactured specifically for the type of firearm.

That's not only ambiguous and open to interpretation, it mentions nothing about any sort of foam or other padding inside the case.  I believe most people ASSUME the owner wants the gun protected from drops and will use some packing material.  Why not some old newspapers?  Styrofoam Peanuts?  Those air bags you get in Amazon boxes? 

I'm starting to think HA employees are the problem, not the regulations.

I used a small size Pelican for 2 guns when I attended Front Sight.  I inserted a layer of foam between the guns to separate them.

Since nobody has ever opened my gun case to inspect it, I've never had any questions about how many guns I was packing in the one case.

There are 3 layers of foam.  Just cut the hole out all the way through the middle foam, and slice a piece from that cutout to place between the guns.  I do that anyway to keep the guns from banging and sliding against each other in transit.

Next time, ask where the requirement is to have ANY foam in the gun case.  I believe the case has to be rigid and have locks.  Nothing about foam dividers.
https://www.hawaiianairlines.com/legal/domestic-contract-of-carriage/rule-18

packed in a commercial hard-sided case manufactured specifically for the type of firearm.

That's not only ambiguous and open to interpretation, it mentions nothing about any sort of foam or other padding inside the case.  I believe most people ASSUME the owner wants the gun protected from drops and will use some packing material.  Why not some old newspapers?  Styrofoam Peanuts?  Those air bags you get in Amazon boxes? 

I'm starting to think HA employees are the problem, not the regulations.

The HA worker was just not educated and that seems the MO on oahu.

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