Ghost gun raid by atf in hawaii (Read 4596 times)

zippz

Ghost gun raid by atf in hawaii
« on: September 22, 2022, 09:49:22 PM »
Person got raided by the ATF and local agencies for many ghost guns, suppressors, and "illegal ammunition" whatever that means.  I'm guessing armor piercing ammo for his handguns, ar15 pistols.

This guy doesn't have much of a criminal record in Hawaii, just metal knuckles found in his car years ago.  Came from California so I'm not sure if he was  a prohibited person there.  FB looks normal.  I get the feeling he's a gun enthusiast and not a criminal, just have some things the ATF considers illegal.  I'm wondering if the ATF is trying to make this guy an example saying they're doing something to fight crime.

Anyone know this guy Kendrick Augustine

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/09/23/task-force-recovers-large-cache-ghost-guns-ammunition-silencers-oahu-home/

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ghost gun raid by atf in hawaii
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2022, 11:35:53 PM »
When you see a "large" collection of unserialized weapons, you have to assume one of two things -- if not both:

A) Like you said he's a gun enthusiast who enjoys the hobby of making his own guns.  Remember, it's not been that long since 80% lowers were legal here, and the only "crime" was completing it and not registering with the Cops.  Simply possessing the parts for your own use was legal.

B) He's created a cottage industry of selling assembled firearms that are untraceable and unregistered.  Used to be that required a stolen gun with the serial numbers totally removed.  Building them from unserialized parts avoids having to remove a serial -- which is a separate crime.

"Ghost gun" is such a stupid name anyway.  They should use a term that's more accurate, and less political theater.

It won't be long before the states have to repeal ghost gun laws anyway.  The ATF just tanked a case where they tried to prosecute a company for selling 80% lowers and pistol frames.  According to the ATF's new definition, the blank receivers and frames are 100% legal AS LONG AS they are sold without a jig kit to assist the customer in completing the milling.  The defendant showed that they don't include jigs with the 80% blanks, and the ATF had to drop the case rather than have the court rule against them which would create a legal precedence for other states to use.

I think the same case could be made here.  No jigs = 100% legal.  Since the ATF admits the blanks are NOT firearms, those items are not subject to any part of the NFA or ATF rules regarding firearms.

It'll be interesting to see what the facts are and what rationales the defense uses.  Since the definition of "firearm receiver" is still being worked on at the ATF, it could get interesting.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

Re: Ghost gun raid by atf in hawaii
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2022, 06:11:43 AM »
That pic in the article showing a pistol, suppressor, and .22LR rounds in a backpack is not going to go well for this individual.

I'm also interested in a follow up story.  Right now I'm leaning towards him being a gun enthusiast.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: Ghost gun raid by atf in hawaii
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2022, 08:34:06 AM »
That pic in the article showing a pistol, suppressor, and .22LR rounds in a backpack is not going to go well for this individual.

I'm also interested in a follow up story.  Right now I'm leaning towards him being a gun enthusiast.

That's if it's a real suppressor.  There are many at the range with barrel shrouds or faux suppressors.

This could be the case that could repeal a lot of HI's unconstitutional laws.  But he has yet to be charged with state crimes, so far only federal crimes.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ghost gun raid by atf in hawaii
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2022, 09:43:58 AM »
That's if it's a real suppressor.  There are many at the range with barrel shrouds or faux suppressors.

This could be the case that could repeal a lot of HI's unconstitutional laws.  But he has yet to be charged with state crimes, so far only federal crimes.

That's an awfully long suppressor for a small .22LR Glock.  The diameter is also pretty large.  Homemade?

Also, that Glock looks smaller than the Glock 44, which is the only .22 on Glock's website.  Maybe it's the angle at which the photo was taken, but the grip and frame forward of the trigger guard both seem shorter.  I'm going out on a limb and saying it's likely from a frame "kit"?

https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/g44
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Ghost gun raid by atf in hawaii
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2022, 09:49:52 AM »
That's an awfully long suppressor for a small .22LR Glock.  The diameter is also pretty large.  Homemade?

Also, that Glock looks smaller than the Glock 44, which is the only .22 on Glock's website.  Maybe it's the angle at which the photo was taken, but the grip and frame forward of the trigger guard both seem shorter.  I'm going out on a limb and saying it's likely from a frame "kit"?

https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/g44

It does look like a frame it to me.

zippz

Re: Ghost gun raid by atf in hawaii
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2022, 10:36:08 AM »

B) He's created a cottage industry of selling assembled firearms that are untraceable and unregistered.  Used to be that required a stolen gun with the serial numbers totally removed.  Building them from unserialized parts avoids having to remove a serial -- which is a separate crime.

I don't think this is the case since the guns pictured are all different and use more expensive parts.  If he were selling them to criminals, other than John Wick, the guns would be basic and be very similar.  Unless there's more guns not pictured.

The Glock with the suppressor it is outlandish and unusable. Makes me think it's more of a gag with a fake can, or a homebuilt one as an experiment.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2022, 12:48:03 PM by zippz »

WTF?Shane

Re: Ghost gun raid by atf in hawaii
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2022, 09:20:51 PM »
New article says along with the suppressed handgun and ammunition, his backpack also had meth and a pipe.

Sounds a little extra for a gun enthusiast...

https://www.khon2.com/local-news/hpd-arrest-man-on-suspicion-of-owning-ghost-guns/

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ghost gun raid by atf in hawaii
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2022, 12:22:30 AM »
Federal Court Finds We have RIGHT TO MAKE OUR OWN
GUNS gutting DE "Ghost Gun" Laws


Federal judge issues an opinion and enjoined (blocked) Delaware's new Ghost Gun law.

The opinion basically says, the Second Amendment implies a corresponding right of the people to make firearms for their own use.

Owning untraceable, unserialized firearms or parts to build such firearms is not only lawful, but it is a protected right.

This -- from Joe Biden's home state!   :rofl:

I think Mark needs to switch to decaf.   :geekdanc:

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

zippz

Re: Ghost gun raid by atf in hawaii
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2022, 12:53:07 AM »
New article says along with the suppressed handgun and ammunition, his backpack also had meth and a pipe.

Sounds a little extra for a gun enthusiast...

https://www.khon2.com/local-news/hpd-arrest-man-on-suspicion-of-owning-ghost-guns/

We'll there's always a chink in the armor for stuff like this.  Can never find a good victim of the system .  The search goes on...

QUIETShooter

Re: Ghost gun raid by atf in hawaii
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2022, 06:17:53 AM »
The good victims of the system is us.  The law-abiding citizens who just want to exercise their 2a rights which includes right to carry firearms for self defense.

Instead we are treated to unconstitutional restrictions, bureaucratic hoops and hurdles, and a seemingly qualification standard that even LE personnel would find challenging to pass.

Just as you would deny a criminal access to firearms, LE and Hawaii politicians might as well put us law-abiding tax paying citizens in the same group as them.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

punaperson

Re: Ghost gun raid by atf in hawaii
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2022, 07:06:40 AM »
...
Just as you would deny a criminal access to firearms, LE and Hawaii politicians might as well put us law-abiding tax paying citizens in the same group as them.
Sorry, but NOT "might as well"!

Do you, as a law-abiding citizen, have the ability to freely, and without threat of arrest, prosecution, conviction and imprisonment, exercise your fundamental, individual, Constitutionally-protected enumerated, inalienable God-given/natural civil right to keep and bear arms?

NO, no you don't. Not even close. Therefore, you HAVE the equivalent status as a criminal convicted of firearms-possession-prohibiting crimes.

In the big picture (the exercise of rights), crumbs don't count.

dafrtknocker

Re: Ghost gun raid by atf in hawaii
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2022, 01:03:45 PM »
This is the one they will throw the book at him!


When officers then searched his home they said they found  10 military-style ammunition cans :shake:

drck1000

Re: Ghost gun raid by atf in hawaii
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2022, 01:29:59 PM »
Now that’s a “dealer pac(k)”  ;D

aletheuo137

ren

Re: Ghost gun raid by atf in hawaii
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2022, 07:19:58 PM »
The system takes images of spent shell casings from crime scenes and runs the images through a national database, which has millions of pieces of evidence stored.

It can match the casings by the unique markings “when the gun is hitting the bullet casing itself,” said Napoleon Arline, Investigative Analyst for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

“It’s called the ejector mark.”


 :rofl:

"hitting the bullet casing itself"
Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ghost gun raid by atf in hawaii
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2022, 07:21:59 PM »
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/09/24/atf-honolulu-gets-hold-crime-fighting-tool-that-could-help-solve-cases-involving-ghost-guns/
Quote
The ATF and the county police departments are discussing possible ways to acquire a NIBIN
machine, which costs roughly $250,000.

Authorities say funding remains an issue.



Accusations of Cronyism
Plague the ATF’s Gun Ballistics Program

Quote
Six years ago, an internal report commissioned by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives issued a dire warning: The agency needed to open a long-
standing, sole-source ballistics contract with a company based in Canada to competitors,
 or risk losing one of its most important tools for preventing and solving gun crimes.

The report — written by an independent consulting company and provided to The Trace
by a source who had access to it through work but asked to remain anonymous —
said competition was likely to bring down prices, which would enable many police
departments to access the National Integrated Ballistic Information Network, or NIBIN,
for the first time. It might also spur innovation, since a sole-source vendor has less
incentive to improve than a company that is competing to win business.

But in 2019, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) renewed its
$85 million contract with Ultra Electronics Forensic Technology for five years —
a decision that experts say has likely impeded law enforcement’s ability to investigate
shootings at a time when gun violence is surging.

It is unclear why the single-source contract has endured. But several former ATF
officials, including the agency’s acting director of four years, have gone to work for
Ultra Electronics. While they appear to have followed the letter of the law when it
comes to accepting employment with government contractors, experts said it still
raises concern that cronyism could have colored the agency’s decision-making.
This could give the “appearance of selling government contracts for personal gain,”
said Craig Holman, a governmental ethics and lobbying expert for the nonprofit
consumer advocacy organization Public Citizen.
https://www.thetrace.org/2021/11/atf-nibin-ballistics-program-ultra-electronics-contract/
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aieahound

Re: Ghost gun raid by atf in hawaii
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2022, 08:36:28 PM »
This is the one they will throw the book at him!

When officers then searched his home they said they found  10 military-style ammunition cans :shake:

 :rofl:  :crazy:

For storing ammo safely.
« Last Edit: September 24, 2022, 08:42:25 PM by aieahound »

Heavies

Re: Ghost gun raid by atf in hawaii
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2022, 03:37:31 AM »
Can’t wait till the courts find the entire nfa and gca unconstitutional, as well as hrs 134


The left keeps pushing it, the house of cards is going to collapse

aletheuo137

Re: Ghost gun raid by atf in hawaii
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2022, 07:43:23 AM »
Federal judge bars enforcement of Delaware 'ghost gun' restrictions

https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2022/09/25/federal-judge-bars-enforcement-of-delaware-ghost-gun-restrictions/69517242007/

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