BTW, I didn't realize I was "splitting hairs" when I asked politely for the text of the Bruen decision that said what you said they said:

"I'm missing the connection between this post and county Cops requiring a CCW License test."
Per SCOTUS they have no lawful right to test us,
don't you get it? LAWFUL!
Yes we are all responsible. I've been educated and trained, I carried for years as have many here.
Hawaii doesn't recognize American rights and I say that is WRONG!
There are no Laws saying we need a test to exercise our rights
to open or conceal carry!!!!!
I don't support cops or government that violates my rights.
 



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You made a very definitive statement.

I'm not splitting hairs.  I'm looking for your source is all.

BTW, I didn't realize I was "splitting hairs" when I asked politely for the text of the Bruen decision that said what you said they said:

You made a very definitive statement.

I'm not splitting hairs.  I'm looking for your source is all.

We sound like two engineers in a pissing match.
Typically if you have a Hawaii hunting license the state of Hawaii thinks you are qualified to carry a gun in public. and shoot to kill things
in public,  in a safe manner.
Our police chiefs don't agree, obviously.
Yes the law is ambiguous.
I'll refer to the historical reference of that decision. When historically did you need a
test to own, operate and carry a weapon for self defense?

We'll have to agree to disagree, I'm not convinced the cops are acting lawfully
in the deprivation of our rights, by use of an arbitrary test.  Indeed I insist they are violating our
Constitutional rights, on purpose and with no regard for our personal safety.
I'm sure Hawaii will pass some New York style laws, but till they do I see the
SCOTUS ruling as a shall issue when you follow the basic qualifications age, lack of criminal record,
and no history of illness.  Every other state interprets it that way.
Even California.

We sound like two engineers in a pissing match.
Typically if you have a Hawaii hunting license the state of Hawaii thinks you are qualified to carry a gun in public. and shoot to kill things
in public,  in a safe manner.
Our police chiefs don't agree, obviously.
Yes the law is ambiguous.
I'll refer to the historical reference of that decision. When historically did you need a
test to own, operate and carry a weapon for self defense?

We'll have to agree to disagree, I'm not convinced the cops are acting lawfully
in the deprivation of our rights, by use of an arbitrary test.  Indeed I insist they are violating our
Constitutional rights, on purpose and with no regard for our personal safety.
I'm sure Hawaii will pass some New York style laws, but till they do I see the
SCOTUS ruling as a shall issue when you follow the basic qualifications age, lack of criminal record,
and no history of illness.  Every other state interprets it that way.
Even California.

I still don't see what we disagree about other than the SCOTUS did not say all tests -- any test -- is unconstitutional.

You still haven't shown me the text.

You stated "X". 

I asked where you found "X". 

You accuse me of splitting hairs, but still won't give me the answer to the question I asked.

I can't tell you how it was implemented -- whether it required an objective test or a simple demonstration for someone in authority -- but "A well regulated militia" means "well trained."  Who's doing the training?  Who makes the call which militia members are proficient?  Were people who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn barred from carrying a gun until they learned to shoot what they aimed at?  I can't tell you.  But it does pose an interesting research project.

I still don't see what we disagree about other than the SCOTUS did not say all tests -- any test -- is unconstitutional.

You still haven't shown me the text.

You stated "X". 

I asked where you found "X". 

You accuse me of splitting hairs, but still won't give me the answer to the question I asked.

I can't tell you how it was implemented -- whether it required an objective test or a simple demonstration for someone in authority -- but "A well regulated militia" means "well trained."  Who's doing the training?  Who makes the call which militia members are proficient?  Were people who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn barred from carrying a gun until they learned to shoot what they aimed at?  I can't tell you.  But it does pose an interesting research project.

Since I'm playing shit house lawyer here
Try this;
for how law is practiced.
https://www.conservativehq.org/post/justice-clarence-thomas-second-amendment-codified-a-pre-existing-right-to-self-defense

Everybody who thinks,  knows you can't have a Test for exercising your rights.
Except Hawaii Democrats.
There is no specific text about tests in the court issued decision document you provided except as mandated by TBD laws
that don't exist here in Hawaii.
Pardon my use of rhetoric.
I slip into project manager mode sometimes.

In any event the tests are Bullshit.
You may comply if you choose to do so,
but It is like getting on the train.
I'll take my chances in court, rather than bury my wife
prematurely.

Since I'm playing shit house lawyer here
Try this;
for how law is practiced.
https://www.conservativehq.org/post/justice-clarence-thomas-second-amendment-codified-a-pre-existing-right-to-self-defense

Everybody who thinks,  knows you can't have a Test for exercising your rights.
Except Hawaii Democrats.
There is no specific text about tests in the court issued decision document you provided except as mandated by TBD laws
that don't exist here in Hawaii.
Pardon my use of rhetoric.
I slip into project manager mode sometimes.

In any event the tests are Bullshit.
You may comply if you choose to do so,
but It is like getting on the train.
I'll take my chances in court, rather than bury my wife
prematurely.

It's no secret we must fight the state for our 2A rights. Their efforts are overt and blatant.

The Hawaii AG openly states the State will restrict the right to keep and bear arms as much
as the Supreme Court (and essentially the federal government’s power) will allow.  The other
constraint on the State of Hawaii is how much power the voters of the State will allow the
government to grab.

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Articles-Main/ID/33955/Hawaii-Guns-Concealed-Carry-OK-Open-Carry-Banned

Hawaii, issues carry licenses that must be renewed every year and are only valid in the
county of issue, therefore a license holder can only carry in one's home county. Additionally,
even though the Bruen ruling put an end to the state's "exceptional case" requirement making
them a "shall-issue" jurisdiction, the local authorities have refused to process applications
until they receive guidance from state, which has stated they are waiting on the Legislature to
pass new laws to subvert the Bruen ruling before allowing new applications to be processed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_concealed_carry_in_the_United_States