US and Dutch F-16 pilots are fighting for Ukraine, claims new report (Read 1235 times)

macsak

macsak

Re: US and Dutch F-16 pilots are fighting for Ukraine, claims new report
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2026, 09:20:59 PM »
AVG/"Flying Tigers"

Flapp_Jackson

Re: US and Dutch F-16 pilots are fighting for Ukraine, claims new report
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2026, 11:52:26 AM »
Fighter pilots are cool and all, but to really provide a game-changing aircraft, they need an E-3 AWACS helping.

Air doctrine says you can add more fighter aircraft to better the odds, but the increase in advantage has a 1:1 ratio numerically, and maybe as much as a 2:1 advantage if the opponent's pilots and aircraft are less capable.

Placing 2-3 AWACS on station, however,  is called a force multiplier.  A flight of 3 fighters would have the operational capability of about 12 aircraft or more.  Not only does their over the horizon view increase ground radar unit's ability to see the entire operating area for miles, but the fighters have someone else watching the skies and giving them threat analysis, intercept vectors, and so forth.

The cherry on the cake is the E-3's ability to identify and pinpoint enemy air defenses.  They can jam missile sites so they can't see our planes approaching. They can also work together to triangulate the exact position of an enemy jammer or air defense site, the location of which can be passed on to air support so they can take out those defenses.  A single AWACS will only know a jammer or targeting radar is in range and its general direction.  Two AWACS create a triangular picture with the E-3s and the jammer/radar as the 3 corners -- hence triangulation.

As for radar capabilities, the distance the platform can see is classified, but in the 1980s, an AWACS stationed above the middle of Oklahoma would be able to provide air traffic control for all the airports up to and beyond the Dallas-Forth Worth area.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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hvybarrels

Re: US and Dutch F-16 pilots are fighting for Ukraine, claims new report
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2026, 02:17:05 PM »
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: US and Dutch F-16 pilots are fighting for Ukraine, claims new report
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2026, 06:05:37 PM »
BTW, to piggyback on my other post, I knew a few of F-111 crew members -- 2 pilots and one WSO {"Wizzo"} -- who were part of the attack on Libya in 1986.  According to them, the attack was all planned and resourced with 6 F-111's until the last minute.  Someone decided they needed to add 3 more F-111 to the mission to inflict maximum damage.  Unfortunately, that decision also meant the crews were exposed to enemy air defense systems for a longer duration, the result of which created a straight line of sitting ducks that took 50% more time to get past SAM batteries.  If memory serves, the downed aircraft was the last one in line.  So, adding more fighter aircraft to a mission isn't always the optimal choice.

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The airstrike, codenamed Operation El Dorado Canyon, was in response
to the terrorist bombing of the La Belle Discotheque in West Berlin on Apr. 5
that claimed the lives of two U.S. soldiers and wounded more than 200 people.

All but one aircraft returned to base.
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/the-sad-story-of-karma-52-the-only-f-111-lost-during-operation-el-dorado-canyon/
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw