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Re: Hunt on my property wo/hunting license?
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2013, 03:49:51 PM »
Mainland/ Colorado:

I think a landowner or agent out here can shoot any wild critter that is destroying his crop or harassing his livestock, in or out of season, with or without a hunting license. 

Possibly similar in HI?
I do believe that the radical and crazy notion that the Founders meant what they said, is gradually soaking through the judicial system.

ButtNutt

Re: Hunt on my property wo/hunting license?
« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2013, 11:55:18 PM »

Mainland/ Colorado:

I think a landowner or agent out here can shoot any wild critter that is destroying his crop or harassing his livestock, in or out of season, with or without a hunting license. 

Possibly similar in HI?
yeah.....probably not that easy here in the 'people's republic of Hawaii'
:0. But funny, yesterday my neighbor about 1000' away was blasting away rapid fire with what sounded like a handgun, on and off for about an hour. No LE ever came up the easement. And the neighbor past him another 1000' is an HPD officer, so I'm not too worried about gunfire attracting attention. More about what if a DOFAW drone see me bag'n dress a pig or axis dear or something on my land :)
Hey.....you never know. Maybe that one they got in the hanger in Honolulu is being used for other things while they work out the legalities of using is to secure airspace!
Ya NEVA know!!

bass monkey

Re: Hunt on my property wo/hunting license?
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2013, 06:28:51 AM »
yeah.....probably not that easy here in the 'people's republic of Hawaii'
:0. But funny, yesterday my neighbor about 1000' away was blasting away rapid fire with what sounded like a handgun, on and off for about an hour. No LE ever came up the easement. And the neighbor past him another 1000' is an HPD officer, so I'm not too worried about gunfire attracting attention. More about what if a DOFAW drone see me bag'n dress a pig or axis dear or something on my land :)
Hey.....you never know. Maybe that one they got in the hanger in Honolulu is being used for other things while they work out the legalities of using is to secure airspace!
Ya NEVA know!!

DOFAW don't got money for that and probably not interested anyways.
DOCARE are the ones that do enforcement and who cite people.  Try calling them on the weekend though to report something. Good luck. 
Just don't dress your game in plain sight or where someone can easily see it.

ButtNutt

Re: Hunt on my property wo/hunting license?
« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2013, 03:35:06 PM »

DOFAW don't got money for that and probably not interested anyways.
DOCARE are the ones that do enforcement and who cite people.  Try calling them on the weekend though to report something. Good luck. 
Just don't dress your game in plain sight or where someone can easily see it.
WTF man!?!?  So do I get this right: the DLNR administers the hunter Ed program and license; the DOFAW dictates and administers the hunting regulations; and DOCARE enforces said regulations?  F'ing bloated bureaucracies this state creates!  How many we need? Makes me sick.   You imaging the monstrous salaries and retirement funds and medical bennies we fund for those triply redundant bureaucracies? 

bass monkey

Re: Hunt on my property wo/hunting license?
« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2013, 04:16:55 PM »
WTF man!?!?  So do I get this right: the DLNR administers the hunter Ed program and license; the DOFAW dictates and administers the hunting regulations; and DOCARE enforces said regulations?  F'ing bloated bureaucracies this state creates!  How many we need? Makes me sick.   You imaging the monstrous salaries and retirement funds and medical bennies we fund for those triply redundant bureaucracies?


Yeah.  Department of Land and Natural Resources(DLNR) covers everyone.  Then you have your separate divisions; Division of Forestry and Wildlife(DOFAW), Division of Conservation and Resource Enforcement(DOCARE), Division of Aquatic Resources(DOAR or something like that), Na Ala Hele(trails), Oahu Invasive Species Committee (OISC), Native Area Restorations(NARS), etc, etc, etc.  As far as salaries, some employees are actual state employees, very few though, others are "contracted" you could say by an outside company so not technically state workers, just working along side them.  They also run temporary positions, interns, volunteers, etc, etc.   

Gordyf

Re: Hunt on my property wo/hunting license?
« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2013, 06:42:13 PM »

Yeah.  Department of Land and Natural Resources(DLNR) covers everyone.  Then you have your separate divisions; Division of Forestry and Wildlife(DOFAW), Division of Conservation and Resource Enforcement(DOCARE), Division of Aquatic Resources(DOAR or something like that), Na Ala Hele(trails), Oahu Invasive Species Committee (OISC), Native Area Restorations(NARS), etc, etc, etc.  As far as salaries, some employees are actual state employees, very few though, others are "contracted" you could say by an outside company so not technically state workers, just working along side them.  They also run temporary positions, interns, volunteers, etc, etc.

Arbitrary and capricious at best. They don't legislate anything, they govern by " Administartive rules" These have the same force as law, but are promulgated at meetings of the Board.
Six guys, I think, get to vote on them,all appointed, not a one elected. Not accountable in any way to the people.
I am not a hunter, so I don't have first hand info on what has been  laid on them, but in the boating, fishing area, they have decided that anyone that operates a boat, any boat, must have proof of an approved boating course before 11/14 and those of you that used to spear fish with SCUBA on the west side of the Big Island, it is no longer permitted in the fishery management zones, which covers most of the Kona Coast. Possession of a three prong is de-facto evidence of Spearing fish. Never mind the potential shark defensive possibility.
" Administrative Rules" Have all the force of law. Citations, court, potential for Jail time and the like.
And this stuff made the news where?
These guys have way too much power. >:(
Aloha
Gordy

ButtNutt

Re: Hunt on my property wo/hunting license?
« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2013, 09:27:46 PM »


Yeah.  Department of Land and Natural Resources(DLNR) covers everyone.  Then you have your separate divisions; Division of Forestry and Wildlife(DOFAW), Division of Conservation and Resource Enforcement(DOCARE), Division of Aquatic Resources(DOAR or something like that), Na Ala Hele(trails), Oahu Invasive Species Committee (OISC), Native Area Restorations(NARS), etc, etc, etc.  As far as salaries, some employees are actual state employees, very few though, others are "contracted" you could say by an outside company so not technically state workers, just working along side them.  They also run temporary positions, interns, volunteers, etc, etc.
ho brah!!!  TAKE it easy!!!!  Da po'o stay speening!!! Frickin gotta be kiddin me, I totally forgot about all those others.  I feel so much better about our high state tax rate :0

ButtNutt

Re: Hunt on my property wo/hunting license?
« Reply #27 on: August 04, 2013, 09:37:11 PM »

Arbitrary and capricious at best. They don't legislate anything, they govern by " Administartive rules" These have the same force as law, but are promulgated at meetings of the Board.
Six guys, I think, get to vote on them,all appointed, not a one elected. Not accountable in any way to the people.
I am not a hunter, so I don't have first hand info on what has been  laid on them, but in the boating, fishing area, they have decided that anyone that operates a boat, any boat, must have proof of an approved boating course before 11/14 and those of you that used to spear fish with SCUBA on the west side of the Big Island, it is no longer permitted in the fishery management zones, which covers most of the Kona Coast. Possession of a three prong is de-facto evidence of Spearing fish. Never mind the potential shark defensive possibility.
" Administrative Rules" Have all the force of law. Citations, court, potential for Jail time and the like.
And this stuff made the news where?
These guys have way too much power. >:(
eloquent my friend. Couldn't have said it better!  And the only local coverage about the spear fishing regs was by KITV which covered the meeting in kona.  Got pretty heated and one of the guys defending the new rules got a sour ass attitude towards a spear fisher.  He really was a condescending class A ballsack.  And most of the people complaining about any and all of the madness we see in legislation over the last decade are lifetime dems who keep voting to put these statists in office.  There's a total disconnect between the people they vote for and the insane laws they complain about.  They'll never see a connection.