Kaiser Permanente denied medical clearance, need outside doctor (Read 14321 times)

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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2015, 03:10:54 AM »
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stangzilla

Re: Kaiser Permanente denied medical clearance, need outside doctor
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2015, 08:47:58 AM »
What I want to know is if HPD actually follows the law when you have sought out treatment, and have clearance from your health care provider that the condition you have no longer adversely effects your ability to own/possess firearms.

Anyone have any experience?

Yes.
That is what they're looking for.
A clearance letter from a psychologist saying you are no longer affected and are mentally fit to own a firearm.
And that part makes sense.
But the part that doesn't is that you could've went to see behavioral health bc your grades were dropping, or you have stress.
Doesn't necessarily dq you from firearms.
Now there's a huge inconvenience that is unnecessary in some cases.

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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2015, 01:58:15 PM »
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Inspector

Re: Kaiser Permanente denied medical clearance, need outside doctor
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2015, 04:13:51 PM »
Nobody said Kaiser flags all patients HPD requests information on. 

What seems to be happening is, if you have ever been referred for any Behavioral Medicine services, a low-level staffer may flag your request.   The referral can be something as simple as counseling after being diagnosed with a chronic condition.

Once HPD gets the flagged request, they fail your background check and deny any future permits.  I haven't heard of it happening, but they may use that denial to separate you from any existing guns you own!

So, unless you have been to Kaiser for counseling, addiction treatment, or other mental health services, you should not have to worry.
My friend was referred by Kaiser to take nutrition classes due to his diabetes. Guess which section of of Kaiser the nutrition classes comes under? Behavioral Medicine. What I was told is the low level staffer is supposed to look at the category number of the Behavioral Medicine referral and will flag your request based on the category number. Certain category numbers are supposed to be flagged and others not. What I have heard is that the staffer sometimes doesn't bother to look up the category number. They just flag the request.

I was told if you call the supervisor and speak with them they can tell you if you were incorrectly flagged or not.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

stangzilla

Re: Kaiser Permanente denied medical clearance, need outside doctor
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2015, 07:22:16 AM »
Does it have to be a psychologist or any type of qualified physician if you have received or are receiving mental health treatment?

I don't seen any specific wording in HRS 134-7 that states the official clearing the individual must be a mental healthcare provider:

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol03_ch0121-0200d/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0007.htm




Like I said in the past, this is one of the many reasons vets don't get the help they need because we end up getting screwed for doing the right thing by seeking help, so many of us would rather just deal with it until we can't, rather than lose our rights and freedoms.

And people wonder why so many vets are so paranoid.

can be any licensed physician, psychologist, or psychiatrist.

whynow?

Re: Kaiser Permanente denied medical clearance, need outside doctor
« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2015, 11:38:57 AM »
My friend was referred by Kaiser to take nutrition classes due to his diabetes. Guess which section of of Kaiser the nutrition classes comes under? Behavioral Medicine. What I was told is the low level staffer is supposed to look at the category number of the Behavioral Medicine referral and will flag your request based on the category number. Certain category numbers are supposed to be flagged and others not. What I have heard is that the staffer sometimes doesn't bother to look up the category number. They just flag the request.

I was told if you call the supervisor and speak with them they can tell you if you were incorrectly flagged or not.
Whoa gotta remember but not to take anything/classes from Kaiser Med. 
Nowdays you have to be careful about what prescription meds, questions or even feedback.   If the Nazis had this kind of technology and laws, they would be a superpower today.