Despite the huge problems (as outlined in much testimony about Hawaii's legislative bill to use the lists earlier this year, with up to 37% false positives and no due process for being placed on the lists or taken off the lists) NRA endorses their use (with the caveat of investigation to determine whether the listing is warranted). Seems like a very slippery slope to me. For example: "This investigation will likely take several years (FBI director Comey has stated that such investigations are typically open for six months), and in the meantime you may not acquire any firearms, and for good measure, just to be "safe", we will need to confiscate any firearms that you may currently possess. Actually, come to think about it, since we have enough information to have a "reasonable suspicion" that you may be dangerous, we will place you in custody until the investigation is complete".

NRA Statement on Terror Watchlists

WEDNESDAY, JUNE 15, 2016

Fairfax, Va.— The executive director of the National Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action, Chris W. Cox, released the following statement regarding terror watchlists:

We are happy to meet with Donald Trump.  The NRA's position on this issue has not changed.  The NRA believes that terrorists should not be allowed to purchase or possess firearms, period.  Anyone on a terror watchlist who tries to buy a gun should be thoroughly investigated by the FBI and the sale delayed while the investigation is ongoing.  If an investigation uncovers evidence of terrorist activity or involvement, the government should be allowed to immediately go to court, block the sale, and arrest the terrorist.  At the same time, due process protections should be put in place that allow law-abiding Americans who are wrongly put on a watchlist to be removed.  That has been the position of Sen. John Cornyn (R.-Tex.) and a majority of the U.S. Senate.  Sadly, President Obama and his allies would prefer to play politics with this issue.

Is there any compensation to people wrong accused?

It seems an easy way to silence political critics, by hassling them with this stuff.

Like, something communist China would pull.

They can OK it because they know it wont stand legal scrutiny,

I sort of support the NRA stance on this issue but with a caveat.  Sale being delayed is fine but the delay must be reasonable. Much like arresting they cant keep you locked up forever with no charges.  They must also make this process of review easy and fast.  There must not be unreasonable burden placed on innocent people.  Other than that sure fuck terrorists being able to buy guns.

Is there any compensation to people wrong accused?

They must also make this process of review easy and fast.  There must not be unreasonable burden placed on innocent people. 

One well-known case claiming error regarding their being on the list took ten (10) years of litigation to get to a trial court where one day the the defense pointed to a box that had been wrongly checked on a form, i.e. "clerical error". The prosecution: "Oh. Never mind."

Ten Years! No compensation. I would call that an "unreasonable burden placed on innocent people" and neither "easy" nor "fast". Just sayin'...

The NRA is showing the flaw in the current No Fly List process by outlining their own rules. 

Right now, there is no way to know you are on the list, no way to request removal, and no appeals process.  More often than not, the people using the list have no idea how anyone was added, since that information is not available to them.

As the NRA points out, IF the person on the list is notified and allowed his right to due process, there is no reason to not support this new rule.

The problem is, they need to FIX the No Fly List first before we start using it to take away a Constitutionally protected right!

One well-known case claiming error regarding their being on the list took ten (10) years of litigation to get to a trial court where one day the the defense pointed to a box that had been wrongly checked on a form, i.e. "clerical error". The prosecution: "Oh. Never mind."

Ten Years! No compensation. I would call that an "unreasonable burden placed on innocent people" and neither "easy" nor "fast". Just sayin'...

Yes that's horrible.  Hence the NRA wants "At the same time, due process protections should be put in place that allow law-abiding Americans who are wrongly put on a watchlist to be removed."  I'm thinking a 2 week waiting period is reasonable. 

Yes that's horrible.  Hence the NRA wants "At the same time, due process protections should be put in place that allow law-abiding Americans who are wrongly put on a watchlist to be removed."  I'm thinking a 2 week waiting period is reasonable.

We are talking about BOTH the "No Fly List" AND the "Terrorist Watch List". Both were included in the Hawaii proposed legislation that was defeated, this time. Currently there are at least 300,000 names on the "terrorist watch list" that are likely "errors" (same or similar name, merely a relative or neighbor or work associate, etc. of someone with an actual possible link to terrorist activity). As I quoted in my testimony to the committees hearing this Hawaii bill this year from the .gov website governing these lists, they state that currently there is "an attorney" who is responsible for correcting errors. As I said in my testimony: "That must be one busy attorney!".

The NRA can ask for anything they want, the fact is that these lists are mired in bureaucracy and it will likely take years, if ever, for the mess to be cleaned up. In the meantime, just hope your name doesn't come up! Not good enough NRA!

Hmmm... I think the matter lies in the actual application. If the FBI could conduct their additional screening of someone on a terrorist watch list within a week or two then I would say this may be reasonable. But if being on a watch list requires months or years of extra screening then they cannot justify denying people their rights.

It is difficult to support or defend the idea itself without knowing the actual mechanics of how it would me implemented.

Problem is that no system is perfect and sooner or later someone will slip through the cracks and people will denounce the system.