My exwife's husband was there apparently.

http://cfjctoday.com/article/575231/man-dies-after-kamloops-shooting-competition-accident

I am surprised they even allow that sort of shooting in Canada.

I am surprised they even allow that sort of shooting in Canada.

Only with rubber bullets. 

Only with rubber bullets. 

wow, that's not funny at all
a man died...

Wow. Terrible.

I'm interested in more details about exactly what happened. My initial thoughts was in a retreat section of a stage.

Competitions are generally very safe. Sounds like this guy wasn't a rookie or anything like that.



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Wow. Terrible.

I'm interested in more details about exactly what happened. My initial thoughts was in a retreat section of a stage.

Competitions are generally very safe. Sounds like this guy wasn't a rookie or anything like that.



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Said he lost control of his firearm.  I'm guessing he fumbled it and tried to recover, but his finger was on the trigger as he tightened his grip.  Hit himself in the torso.

It's a 100% disqualification for the match if you drop a weapon and it hits the ground.  That's a big safety no-no.  USPSA rules:

10.5 Match Disqualification – Unsafe Gun Handling
Examples of unsafe gun handling include, but are not limited to:

10.5.3 If at any time during the course of fire, or while loading, reloading or unloading, a competitor drops his handgun or causes it to fall, loaded or not. ....

Something like that takes less than a second.  Have to plan in advance, because it can happen to any one shooting in a match. 

I can see this happening as you try to reload while moving with one hand holding the pistol and reaching for another mag in a pouch..  Yes, this can still have been the case if he was doing a tactical reload.

He dropped it, attempted to catch it.

I thought the "rule" was, "never attempt to catch a dropped firearm".

The guy in the video indirectly implies that's the "rule" but that there is a very strong "force of habit" of attempting to catch (nearly) any dropped object. Has anyone ever done any training that included muscle memory drills of not reaching for a dropped gun?

wow, that's not funny at all
a man died...

It was an indictment against Canada not the competitor. Sorry to offend.

He dropped it, attempted to catch it.
I thought the "rule" was, "never attempt to catch a dropped firearm".
The guy in the video indirectly implies that's the "rule" but that there is a very strong "force of habit" of attempting to catch (nearly) any dropped object. Has anyone ever done any training that included muscle memory drills of not reaching for a dropped gun?

Don't know about competitions but I do know about kitchen safety. The rule is if you drop a knife, don't try to catch it but there's often a reflex to try and avoid having to resanitize the knife. The managers have to continuously reiterate this rule with the staff but most don't.

It was an indictment against Canada not the competitor. Sorry to offend.

I hear Kathy Griffin is looking for joke writers....

I see. I can envision how a fumbled or in process of being dropped gun can end up with a shot in one's own chest. Again, tragic situation, but I'm also thinking that kind of random discharge puts everyone on the range in danger.

I haven't seen anyone fumble a gun to be point of dropping or an almost drop. I have seen people lose their footing or balance and turn or pivot to the point where they come close to breaking the 180 and at times even break. But if their finger wasn't on the trigger, then no "real" harm to that foul.


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I see. I can envision how a fumbled or in process of being dropped gun can end up with a shot in one's own chest. Again, tragic situation, but I'm also thinking that kind of random discharge puts everyone on the range in danger.

I haven't seen anyone fumble a gun to be point of dropping or an almost drop. I have seen people lose their footing or balance and turn or pivot to the point where they come close to breaking the 180 and at times even break. But if their finger wasn't on the trigger, then no "real" harm to that foul.


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A coworker of mine was taking the orientation 101 training with MidPacific Pistol League.  On the 2nd or 3rd stage, she drew fired a few rounds, and for some reason lost her grip and the pistol hit the ground.  Line was called cold, the RSO retrieved and cleared the gun, and she was a spectator the rest of the day.

It does happen.  Enough so that the rules specifically mention dropping your gun or causing it to fall.

A coworker of mine was taking the orientation 101 training with MidPacific Pistol League.  On the 2nd or 3rd stage, she drew fired a few rounds, and for some reason lost her grip and the pistol hit the ground.  Line was called cold, the RSO retrieved and cleared the gun, and she was a spectator the rest of the day.

It does happen.  Enough so that the rules specifically mention dropping your gun or causing it to fall.

I mean I can see it happening. Just something that I don't see as happening very often.

Sounds like your coworker was a new/newish competition shooter. Add stuff like hot and humid days with sweaty hands and that even affects seasoned shooter. I haven't used stuff like grip talc, but there are many that do.


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I almost tripped and fell at my first MPPL match.  I stumbled, but instinctively kept my gun facing downrange and extended away from me.  I wonder how often stuff like this happens.

I mean I can see it happening. Just something that I don't see as happening very often.

Sounds like your coworker was a new/newish competition shooter. Add stuff like hot and humid days with sweaty hands and that even affects seasoned shooter. I haven't used stuff like grip talc, but there are many that do.


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As you said, heat and sweat can factor in, as do adrenaline, rushing and being unfamiliar with a new pistol.  You might also have the proverbial brain fart where you tell your hand to do "this," but it decides to do "that."  Sometimes trying to reach the mag eject button takes your hand off the grip a bit if your thumb won't reach otherwise.

Concentrating more on a winning time than being in control is an issue, too.  Pushing yourself to go faster can result in mistakes.

The example below is slightly different, though no less dangerous.  It's more equipment related versus manual of arms, but it shows even skilled shooters can drop firearms during a match.

Scroll down to Dropped Firearm

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/04/foghorn/how-to-shoot-3-gun-and-not-be-disqualified/

Yeah, I get a dropped firearm is definitely a serious safety issue. And yes, the "I just want to win" thing definitely leads to mishaps and I would say even more so with seasoned shooters at times because they are looking to cut fractions of seconds off their times.

I think being aware of your equipment is very important in general. Not just with competition.


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