Real gun disguised as Toy (Read 12590 times)

Jl808

Re: Real gun disguised as Toy
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2018, 08:19:08 AM »
You and I are clearly not intersecting here and are missing each other's points.  I don't really care to argue with anyone on this forums so I'll leave you to it.   Maybe if I visit the Big Island, you and I can discuss this over coffee or something.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Real gun disguised as Toy
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2018, 06:23:56 PM »
Police officers will see stories like this where a gun is made to look like a toy and next time a kid points a super soaker at them they might end up shooting the kid because they recall seeing these types of items.

Then the media and someone like BLM will blast the cops for shooting a kid who just had a toy and we will have riots etc etc.

Heavies

Re: Real gun disguised as Toy
« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2018, 09:18:22 PM »
Police officers will see stories like this where a gun is made to look like a toy and next time a kid points a super soaker at them they might end up shooting the kid because they recall seeing these types of items.

Then the media and someone like BLM will blast the cops for shooting a kid who just had a toy and we will have riots etc etc.

This, and I also disagree with people doing this kind of things, either legally or illegally.

punaperson

Re: Real gun disguised as Toy
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2018, 10:10:11 PM »
Police officers will see stories like this where a gun is made to look like a toy and next time a kid points a super soaker at them they might end up shooting the kid because they recall seeing these types of items.

Then the media and someone like BLM will blast the cops for shooting a kid who just had a toy and we will have riots etc etc.
This, and I also disagree with people doing this kind of things, either legally or illegally.
That photo of that confiscated weapon was from 2012. It's now 2018. How many people have been shot in the past 6 years by cops for pointing similar water-soakers at cops?

I suppose then you also support the "turn in toys guns" programs mentioned in the article? After all, if having toy guns is now a danger, then you would be in favor of removing toy guns from the public, one way or another, right? No responsible parent would allow his children to have access to toy guns knowing that the cops are predisposed to shooting anyone brandishing a toy gun, correct?

Jl808

Re: Real gun disguised as Toy
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2018, 11:05:05 AM »
Ridiculous.  :crazy:

It’s already been mentioned somewhere else that cops have shot kids who were holding all black toy guns in public. Just do a google search or a YouTube search and you’ll find anecdotal examples.

I hope it doesn’t come to the point where orange tipped Nerf guns would be considered a possible gun by cops. That would suck for all kids who enjoy playing toy guns.

Anyway, I don’t want to argue with you on this.

You have every right to hold views of an anarchist. If you’re just being argumentative, then that’s another story.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2018, 11:18:18 AM by Jl808 »
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punaperson

Re: Real gun disguised as Toy
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2018, 11:37:04 AM »
Ridiculous.  :crazy:

It’s already been mentioned that cops have shot kids who were holding all black toy guns. Just do a google search or a YouTube search and you’ll find anecdotal examples.

I hope it doesn’t come to the point where orange tipped Nerf guns would be considered a possible gun by cops. That would suck for all kids who enjoy playing toy guns.

Anyway, I don’t want to argue with you on this.

You have every right to hold views of an anarchist. If you’re just being argumentative, then that’s another story.
Why don't you just answer the questions? You not only won't state clearly what your hypothesis is for why you dubbed the original photo/general idea as "stupid" or "dumb", but then rather than answer the questions that would naturally arise from your comments and explain your position clearly, and provide supporting evidence for your positions, and how those policy positions differ from the people who want to ban and/or restrict other Second Amendment rights. You resorting to labeling someone or the questions asked as "ridiculous" or an "anarchist" rather than simply answering them makes one wonder why you don't just clearly state your views? (How many times have we seen in the past week people stating that "An 18 year old being able to buy an AR15 is ridiculous!"?) Do you or don't support the elimination of all toy guns (including "air soft", etc. as well as those such as in the photo)? If not why not, given the harm that has come to various individuals through law enforcement misapprehension of those toys as "real" guns?

I see you've edited your original response.

There are examples of criminals painting an orange tip on a real gun, so that horse is already out of the barn, that's why I asked if you support the banning of all toy guns, since there is already no way for anyone to tell at any distance if a gun is real or toy. That was the point of the original article which linked to the effort to have parents "influence" their kids to turn in their toy guns.  You seem to be an advocate of "gun play", so I suspect you are against such efforts, but I don't see how that's consistent with your condemnation of the alteration of a real firearm and the consequences you claim derive from that. If no kids had any toy guns, it would clarify any situation were a gun was pointed at someone no matter what it looked like.

What you write is logically inconsistent. You have every right to hold views that are logically inconsistent.

Jl808

Re: Real gun disguised as Toy
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2018, 01:05:48 PM »
Discussing this further with you is a waste of my time.  Go live in your make believe world and have a nice day.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Real gun disguised as Toy
« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2018, 01:07:04 PM »
Discussing this further with you is a waste of my time.

That horse left the barn long ago.   :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

dogman

Re: Real gun disguised as Toy
« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2018, 10:40:50 PM »
There are things I have built just because I can . . . building a fully functional firearm that will pass as a toy will not be one of them. In my mind that's just being sensible, but that's just me.

punaperson

Re: Real gun disguised as Toy
« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2018, 06:32:22 AM »
For the children.

Congratulations.

You guys should sleep better now.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/28/walmart-bans-gun-sales-21-years-airsoft-rifles-look-like-ar-15s/

Walmart Bans Gun Sales Under 21 Years and Toy Rifles That Look Like AR-15s/AK-47s

On Wednesday, Walmart announced that it would no longer sell guns to persons under 21 and would not carry Airsoft rifles that look like AR-15s.

The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/business/walmart-gun-age-increase.html) reports that Walmart will also end sales of Airsoft guns that resemble an “assault rifle” and they are also ridding shelves of toy rifles that resemble AR-15s or AK-47s.

Heavies

Re: Real gun disguised as Toy
« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2018, 12:45:32 AM »
Walmart is in violation of people RIGHTS.  There is no law that says anyone 18yo cannot purchase a rifle.  Therefore their "policy" is a direct infringement on civil rights.  I hope they get sued.   They can do whatever they want with toys