we are defenseless and helpless (Read 7916 times)

Jl808

Re: we are defenseless and helpless
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2019, 05:56:34 AM »
How about allowing law abiding citizens to defend themselves?
How come HPD doesn’t issue CCWs?

https://miami.cbslocal.com/2019/11/25/miami-man-kills-ak-47-wielding-robber/

I realize HPD’s hands are tied until they have someone willing to press charges. However, what about the homeowner that got burglarized? 

In this case, HPD’s inability to arrest someone who is caught on video committing a crime just further shows their inability to protect the public from these criminals.

I’m not faulting HPD so much except for the lack of CCW licenses.  Since HPD can’t really protect us public from these criminals, how long will they not allow us to protect ourselves?
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: we are defenseless and helpless
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2019, 10:18:01 AM »
How about allowing law abiding citizens to defend themselves?
How come HPD doesn’t issue CCWs?

https://miami.cbslocal.com/2019/11/25/miami-man-kills-ak-47-wielding-robber/

I realize HPD’s hands are tied until they have someone willing to press charges. However, what about the homeowner that got burglarized? 

In this case, HPD’s inability to arrest someone who is caught on video committing a crime just further shows their inability to protect the public from these criminals.

I’m not faulting HPD so much except for the lack of CCW licenses.  Since HPD can’t really protect us public from these criminals, how long will they not allow us to protect ourselves?

When I see stories like this in Hawaii, my first thought is, "Of which Cop is the perp a relative, friend or friend of a relative?  Maybe relative of a friend of the Mayor?"

Everyone here knows or is related to so many people, it's difficult to find two people who don't have some connection to each other.

Six degrees of separation?  More like 1, maybe 2, degrees here.

I remember when I moved here, I was told a SHOPO decal on my rear window or license plate was well worth the effort and cost. 
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Jl808

Re: we are defenseless and helpless
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2019, 07:00:00 PM »
From my experience, HPD is soft of property crime, always saying no one gonna get hurt, claim it with insurance.

People get hurt because they are lenient and permissive about this.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/12/02/year-old-woman-is-recovering-after-fighting-back-when-crooks-stole-her-purse/
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ren

Re: we are defenseless and helpless
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2019, 07:10:00 PM »
From my experience, HPD is soft of property crime, always saying no one gonna get hurt, claim it with insurance.

People get hurt because they are lenient and permissive about this.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/12/02/year-old-woman-is-recovering-after-fighting-back-when-crooks-stole-her-purse/

https://www.civilbeat.org/2019/10/honolulus-property-crime-problem-tourists-make-great-victims/

Fewer and fewer police investigations for property crimes have ended in the cases being resolved.
The property crime clearance rate went from its highest point in recent years at 13.8% in 2012 to 6.5% in 2017, the most recent figures available from the Attorney General’s office.
The FBI defines clearing a crime as a law enforcement agency closing a case by either making an arrest or because some exceptional situation prevents the agency from arresting or charging an offender.
Some news organizations last year reported that Honolulu Police Chief Susan Ballard warned property crime investigations would have to wait because of staffing shortages.
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RSN172

Re: we are defenseless and helpless
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2019, 11:01:52 AM »
Big Island is even worse.  I know several people who got their home broken in and stuff stolen, but did not even bother to report it to the police. They said it was a waste of time, especially when they got unpermitted homes and no homeowners insurance.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: we are defenseless and helpless
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2019, 11:17:00 AM »
Big Island is even worse.  I know several people who got their home broken in and stuff stolen, but did not even bother to report it to the police. They said it was a waste of time, especially when they got unpermitted homes and no homeowners insurance.

Even with homeowner's and renter's insurance, you have to lose more than the amount of your deductible for that to be any use.

Many losses are cash and credit cards.  At least the credit card companies will cancel fraudulent charges if you report the theft within a short time after discovering the theft.

I was told by a police officer the addicts are mostly looking for high value and easily concealable property they can shove in a pocket.  Cell phones, money, charge cards, gift cards, jewelry, etc.  Most aren't driving up to the house and loading stuff in their trunk for 20 minutes.  I've seen one burglar on foot walk away from the place he robbed pulling a piece of roll-away luggage -- from the victim's place of course.  All the loot was inside we assume.

I keep most of valuables in safes.  As for electronics, my insurance company depreciates their value at 10% per year.  That's why I have a "replacement value" policy that pays me for a comparable replacement item vs. the after-market resale value.

Still, I think my deductible is $1,000.  I'm out up to that much before insurance pays anything.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: we are defenseless and helpless
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2019, 12:29:05 PM »
A few years ago, I was gonna buy a 1911.  But some jerkoff hit my bumper in a times parking lot and ran.  That cost me $500 (deductible).  Then my TV crapped out.  So that was another $500.  Then some jerkoff hit my side mirror.  But didn't want to shell out another $500.  So there went my 1911 fund. I was gonna get the SIG Scorpion.

Fast forward to this year.  Some crackhead keyed 2 blocks of cars in my old area (kapahulu).  I was moving so I waited until I did to repaint.  But it cost me my $500 deductible again.  Good thing I waited because some people painted their cars within a week and he came back and did it again.  Because the camera's didn't see him actually keying the cars, he was never arrested.  The cameras just caught him walking around each car.  There was a wall blocking the view of the hand to car body contact.

But he did throw a brick through a nail salon window and they got that on camera, so he was in jail for that.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: we are defenseless and helpless
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2019, 02:24:13 PM »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Jl808

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eyeeatingfish

Re: we are defenseless and helpless
« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2019, 10:09:18 PM »
From my experience, HPD is soft of property crime, always saying no one gonna get hurt, claim it with insurance.

People get hurt because they are lenient and permissive about this.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/12/02/year-old-woman-is-recovering-after-fighting-back-when-crooks-stole-her-purse/

I don't know if they are soft on property crime... The nature of property crime makes it harder to catch the bad guys so it makes sense they aren't solved as often. The bleeding hearts are also pushing courts to take softer and softer forms of punishment recently so that could be part of it.