Are you a cop?

Does it matter? Should it matter? Is doing the right thing contingent on profession?

The kid needed a good boot up his arse! Too bad it ain’t the old daze!

Today at soccer practice there was a grown man yelling at his teenage son. Nothing illegal and normally I wouldn't be one to tell someone how to raise their own kid but the way this man yelled at his kid was just so angry over such a tiny thing... I would be worried the boy gets excessive lickings at home. The dad needed a boot to his behind. It was so bad I actually made a small comment and he bitched about me minding my own business. It didn't escalate further but could have cause that guy has a temper.

I am not proud to admit but there are many times where I should have spoken up or intervened because it was the right thing to do but I didn't act or didn't act as much as I should have. Its an easy thing to agree when people need a kick in the butt, but its another thing to have the balls to do it.

Today at soccer practice there was a grown man yelling at his teenage son. Nothing illegal and normally I wouldn't be one to tell someone how to raise their own kid but the way this man yelled at his kid was just so angry over such a tiny thing... I would be worried the boy gets excessive lickings at home. The dad needed a boot to his behind. It was so bad I actually made a small comment and he bitched about me minding my own business. It didn't escalate further but could have cause that guy has a temper.

I am not proud to admit but there are many times where I should have spoken up or intervened because it was the right thing to do but I didn't act or didn't act as much as I should have. Its an easy thing to agree when people need a kick in the butt, but its another thing to have the balls to do it.

It pains me that people like you have been raised with "situational morality."  Only if you feel comfortable are you willing to do what you think is right.  Confronting someone in public who's behaving badly in front of your kid/s should never be a problem?  Temper?  If you're worried, just pull out your badge.

What was the "small comment?"  Care to share that detail?  It would be interesting to discuss the passive-aggressive soccer dads who step up to make "small comments" when their kids are being subjected to adults behaving badly.

Did it occur to you to mention the father's yelling to someone in authority?  Or were you content to sit quietly with the other sheep? 

Maybe you should check into having your backbone replaced with a PC keyboard.  That device seems to help you voice your opinions here.

Does it matter? Should it matter? Is doing the right thing contingent on profession?

Well if you were you’d know no crime has been committed at this point, but go ahead, by all means stop “Protect and serve” her.  And when she screams that you’re harassing her and touched her boobies that’ll be a one way ticket to WorldStar Hall of Fame.  What you going to do now?  Bust out your pepperspray and spray her in the Deli section?  Good job!  Now the HFD gotta come clean it up.      The last thing you’ll probably see is some dudes fist right before he knocks you out for “touching her”.  At the very least you got into a confrontation with someone who was hungry, at worst a wiley thief who’s going to make you eat a sh*t sandwich for the next few hours as you try to unf*ck yourself at booking.

Temper?  If you're worried, just pull out your badge.

Snort..................

It pains me that people like you have been raised with "situational morality."  Only if you feel comfortable are you willing to do what you think is right.  Confronting someone in public who's behaving badly in front of your kid/s should never be a problem?  Temper?  If you're worried, just pull out your badge.

What was the "small comment?"  Care to share that detail?  It would be interesting to discuss the passive-aggressive soccer dads who step up to make "small comments" when their kids are being subjected to adults behaving badly.

Did it occur to you to mention the father's yelling to someone in authority?  Or were you content to sit quietly with the other sheep? 

Maybe you should check into having your backbone replaced with a PC keyboard.  That device seems to help you voice your opinions here.

That isn't situational morality. That is risk/threat management. The real world isn't a written test where you simply choose the proper answer. If I chew him out what happens next, does he take it or does he escalate and come at me? Does he win the fight or do I? Do I get arrested as a result? Did he learn a lesson, is his behavior toward his kid going to change? My conception, my moral belief, of what the right thing to do never changed. Of course that nuance is probably too inconvenient to you because it wouldn't lend well towards your passion of starting internet fights.

I will give you the context of my small comment and tell you what it was. He was screaming at his son and then screaming at him about going to the public bathroom about 150 yards away. Every 10 seconds or so he would look back with an angry look to watch his son walking across the field. I thought about what I might say that could calm him down and maybe open him up but without being offensive or aggressive. I chose to insert a little humor and asked him if he was worried someone was going to kidnap his kid. He snapped back about don't worry, mind my own business. A couple seconds later he said something about his son not paying attention.

By the way this was adult soccer, we were playing. His kid was there waiting for him to be done.

Well if you were you’d know no crime has been committed at this point, but go ahead, by all means stop “Protect and serve” her.  And when she screams that you’re harassing her and touched her boobies that’ll be a one way ticket to WorldStar Hall of Fame.  What you going to do now?  Bust out your pepperspray and spray her in the Deli section?  Good job!  Now the HFD gotta come clean it up.      The last thing you’ll probably see is some dudes fist right before he knocks you out for “touching her”.  At the very least you got into a confrontation with someone who was hungry, at worst a wiley thief who’s going to make you eat a sh*t sandwich for the next few hours as you try to unf*ck yourself at booking.

Don't get me wrong, intervening has its risks too, note my above explanation about threat/risk management. The point of my comment though was that the right thing is the right thing no matter if one has a badge or not.

Sometimes doing the right thing ends up with negative consequences. I guess the only real answer to that situation is to ask yourself whether it is worth it to do the right thing and whether you can live without regrets if you didn't do the right thing.

That isn't situational morality. That is risk/threat management. The real world isn't a written test where you simply choose the proper answer. If I chew him out what happens next, does he take it or does he escalate and come at me? Does he win the fight or do I? Do I get arrested as a result? Did he learn a lesson, is his behavior toward his kid going to change? My conception, my moral belief, of what the right thing to do never changed. Of course that nuance is probably too inconvenient to you because it wouldn't lend well towards your passion of starting internet fights.

I will give you the context of my small comment and tell you what it was. He was screaming at his son and then screaming at him about going to the public bathroom about 150 yards away. Every 10 seconds or so he would look back with an angry look to watch his son walking across the field. I thought about what I might say that could calm him down and maybe open him up but without being offensive or aggressive. I chose to insert a little humor and asked him if he was worried someone was going to kidnap his kid. He snapped back about don't worry, mind my own business. A couple seconds later he said something about his son not paying attention.

By the way this was adult soccer, we were playing. His kid was there waiting for him to be done.

Why did you leave the major details of this being an adult game out and that the kid wasn't the one playing?  Makes a big difference.

Sounds more like the dad wanted his kid at the game, not hanging out where he might get in trouble.  Without more insight, this might actually be more of a case of just loud parenting with a good purpose.

For all you know, the kid might be on probation for drugs, and the dad is making sure the son doesn't have the chance to mess up again.

You never can tell.

Regardless, this is a really bad example of the thread's issue.  Major difference between knowing someone is stealing versus having no idea what's going on between the father and son.

You were probably sticking your nose in where it didn't belong.  It's not like the father was beating the son during his rest periods, right?

Or did you leave that part out, too?   

Why did you leave the major details of this being an adult game out and that the kid wasn't the one playing?  Makes a big difference.

Not really. The man's actions are what was the issue. Wouldn't matter whether it was a kid's game or an adult game in terms of right and wrong.

Sounds more like the dad wanted his kid at the game, not hanging out where he might get in trouble.  Without more insight, this might actually be more of a case of just loud parenting with a good purpose.
For all you know, the kid might be on probation for drugs, and the dad is making sure the son doesn't have the chance to mess up again.
You never can tell.

It wasn't that kind of issue. It would be hard to explain it fully other than to say if you had been there and had known him previously, you would be able to tell.

Not really. The man's actions are what was the issue. Wouldn't matter whether it was a kid's game or an adult game in terms of right and wrong.

It wasn't that kind of issue. It would be hard to explain it fully other than to say if you had been there and had known him previously, you would be able to tell.

Your conclusions are purely your personal opinion.  If you can't describe the situation any better so the readers can form our own opinions, then this story is just that.  A story.

EFF, Flap

Stop bickering.  make your point and move on.

I don't know how people who are not disabled use handicap parking stalls when they see people in wheel chairs missing legs and sh1t. No shame

No joke.  Amazes me to see those lifted truck in the HC stalls.  Some of them so high just getting in is a feat. 

Speaking of handicap stalls, in Mililani the City Mill has a whole bunch of them in the front.  Maybe somebody can enlighten me but I fail to see where many handicapped people would want to go to City Mill.....

Oh and about these vehicles with the handicap placard parking in handicapped stalls.  I often see these lifted trucks and they have the handicap placard and the person that got out of the vehicle looks fine to me.  I checked if they had a handicapped person with them but.....nomo. 

Even if they have the placard can they occupy the stall?  Some ting tell me ainotinkso. 

Speaking of handicap stalls, in Mililani the City Mill has a whole bunch of them in the front.  Maybe somebody can enlighten me but I fail to see where many handicapped people would want to go to City Mill.....

Oh and about these vehicles with the handicap placard parking in handicapped stalls.  I often see these lifted trucks and they have the handicap placard and the person that got out of the vehicle looks fine to me.  I checked if they had a handicapped person with them but.....nomo. 

Even if they have the placard can they occupy the stall?  Some ting tell me ainotinkso. 

HC is available for a variety of conditions.  One being not being able to walk a certain distance.  My dad used to have one and he was mobile, just not very far before needing a break.  City Mill has lots of useful household items. 

I think people are getting their physicians to get them the placard as well as those using the placards that are for family members.  You're supposed to have the person who the placard was issued to in the car with you, and IIRC there's a hefty fine if not.  Enforcement is a different story.  I never really noticed until my dad got the placard and there were times when we needed a wheel chair to take him around and started noticing more those who were in the HC stalls.  I wouldn't call out anyone as I mentioned above that there are many conditions that warrant where people seem fine.  Never can tell, but there are times when I'm 99% sure folks are abusing. 

Speaking of handicap stalls, in Mililani the City Mill has a whole bunch of them in the front.  Maybe somebody can enlighten me but I fail to see where many handicapped people would want to go to City Mill.....

Oh and about these vehicles with the handicap placard parking in handicapped stalls.  I often see these lifted trucks and they have the handicap placard and the person that got out of the vehicle looks fine to me.  I checked if they had a handicapped person with them but.....nomo. 

Even if they have the placard can they occupy the stall?  Some ting tell me ainotinkso. 

There are people who borrow granny's car with HC plates or her placard so they can run to the store and park illegally.

They assume there's nobody checking to see if the placard matched the vehicle, but I've read of parking enforcement doing just that.

Parking is so scarce in Hawaii at most businesses, people get in the mindset of taking the closest spot they can -- screw the rules.

Cops can't patrol HC parking for violators.  If they happen to be there and see it, they can write a ticket.  But they don't have enough people to enforce parking laws.

There's a volunteer program you can sign up for to monitor HC parking and other vehicle-related violations in your neighborhood:  Volunteer Special Enforcement Officer (VSEO)...

http://www.honolulupd.org/news/index.php?page=main&story=499

City Mill has a lot of services and products that anyone might need:

Having duplicate keys made
Cleaning supplies
light bulbs
kitchen accessories
Nuts, bolt, screws, nails and other fasteners
glues
paints and paint supplies
Safety fixtures for handicapped, like those used in the bathroom to prevent falls
etc, etc

Not everyone going to City Mill is looking for lumber or lawn mowers.  They might just need a can of bug spray and don't want to walk all over Walmart.

HC is available for a variety of conditions.  One being not being able to walk a certain distance.  My dad used to have one and he was mobile, just not very far before needing a break.  City Mill has lots of useful household items. 

I think people are getting their physicians to get them the placard as well as those using the placards that are for family members.  You're supposed to have the person who the placard was issued to in the car with you, and IIRC there's a hefty fine if not.  Enforcement is a different story.  I never really noticed until my dad got the placard and there were times when we needed a wheel chair to take him around and started noticing more those who were in the HC stalls.  I wouldn't call out anyone as I mentioned above that there are many conditions that warrant where people seem fine.  Never can tell, but there are times when I'm 99% sure folks are abusing.

My wife has a placard.
Only is used when she is in the car.
I don't cheat the system.
I keep two canes in my truck if
I'm having a "Bad knee" day.
I agree there is a lot of abuse
of the system.
I also have no problem pulling up to the front of
a store and letting her out and then go
find a place to park, and then pick her up the same way.
I have seen people do the same and unload
a wheel chair put the disabled  person in it.
and then go find a parking spot.
Reverse the process when done shopping
Most everyone will not complain about that.

Speaking of handicap stalls, in Mililani the City Mill has a whole bunch of them in the front.  Maybe somebody can enlighten me but I fail to see where many handicapped people would want to go to City Mill.....

Oh and about these vehicles with the handicap placard parking in handicapped stalls.  I often see these lifted trucks and they have the handicap placard and the person that got out of the vehicle looks fine to me.  I checked if they had a handicapped person with them but.....nomo. 

Even if they have the placard can they occupy the stall?  Some ting tell me ainotinkso. 

Big lifted truck you say?  Did a little guy get out?  Maybe his “handicap” is only obvious to ladies? 

My wife has a placard.
Only is used when she is in the car.
I don't cheat the system.
I keep two canes in my truck if
I'm having a "Bad knee" day.
I agree there is a lot of abuse
of the system.
I also have no problem pulling up to the front of
a store and letting her out and then go
find a place to park, and then pick her up the same way.
I have seen people do the same and unload
a wheel chair put the disabled  person in it.
and then go find a parking spot.
Reverse the process when done shopping
Most everyone will not complain about that.

I believe most businesses with paid parking allow cars with HC placards/plates to park for free.  That was the case in San Diego when my Ex had her placard.  Every theme park and tourist attraction (Wild Animal Park, etc) we visited, we didn't have to pay for parking.

One more incentive for cheaters to abuse the system.

EFF, Flap

Stop bickering.  make your point and move on.

I think I did, didn't I?
I told of an incident, Flappier rudely questioned the details and I answered with more details. He replied with nothing of substance and I ignored it.